Bus Eireann - Revised route 2 no longer serving Rosslare

V_Moth · 20-09-2012 10:26PM

munchkin_utd wrote: »

that regional timetable is valid from 2010 so has to be updated yet with the route 2 changes.

You are right, apologies.

I wonder though where that leaves the Eurolines feeder service (formerly?) departing Dublin at 15.30. Checked the Bus Eireann Eurolines section and it is still possible to buy tickets for this route after the timetable change.

Geog1234 · 21-09-2012 02:02PM

The connection from the Dublin direction into the route 890 Eurolines at Rosslare Harbour will likely still be possible. Presumably it'll entail:

Mondays to Saturdays the 15.30 Dublin to Wexford (arr Wexford rail station 17.50). The local route 385 bus to Rosslare Harbour departs Wexford rail station at 18.00 reaching the port at 18.30.

On Sundays there's a route 40 departing Wexford rail station at 17.50 reaching the port at 18.20.

Should be no reason why the Rosslare buses can't wait a few minutes if the service from the Dublin direction is running slightly behind schedule (and if there are onward passengers).

As well as people travelling to/from the Harbour - residents, visitors & ferry foot passengers there's also a reasonable number of people in the villages along the way such as Kilrane and Tagoat who use the services too.

munchkin_utd · 21-09-2012 03:11PM

Geog1234 wrote: »

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On Sundays there's a route 40 departing Wexford rail station at 17.50 reaching the port at 18.20.
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you sure?
On the (old/ exisiting) route 40 timetable they have a bus leaving wexford at 18.20 BUT its a 002 which of course is the route that is going to be chopped and that bus no longer continues to Roslare.

Geog1234 · 21-09-2012 03:58PM

The 17.50 Sundays service Wexford to Rosslare Harbour is mentioned in the Bus Éireann Journey Planner.

On occasion have found that there are services which are mentioned in the Journey Planner which for unknown reason(s) are not mentioned in the timetable tables.

Gekko · 21-09-2012 04:11PM

CIE pushing people onto trains!

The need for Rosslare passengers to change in Wexford is a joke.

kmurph · 24-09-2012 08:58AM

I asked the bus driver going to Rosslare this morning if the cuts were still happening next week as there's still no notices at either the Rosslare or Wexford stops advising of the changes. He said that politicians have gotten involved now and there are going to be meetings this week with BE about stopping the cuts to the service.

Nothing will probably come of it but good to know that at least BE are aware of the problems that the cuts will cause.

LXFlyer · 24-09-2012 10:12AM

Why would they not be happening?

Whatever about notices on stops (which of course should be there), the notice is on the website and unless that is taken down/changed then the changes will still happen.

It really is not the responsibility of BE to provide these services UNLESS they receive state support to fund the losses they result in.

The NTA is responsible for non-commercial services now.

kmurph · 24-09-2012 10:46AM

Oh I appreciate all that and as I said I won't be holding my breath for any changes but I just thought it was odd that there's no notices at either stop about the changes. The last time a couple of years ago when they cut a couple of the overnight services there were notices at both stops and on the buses themselves about it for weeks. This is cutting an entire route so thought it would warrant a bit more notice.

Geog1234 · 24-09-2012 01:26PM

There really should be notices displayed at stops though there is limited space to display them - some stops have timetable cases which can only hold two A4 sheets. Even laminated notices affixed to stop poles. Internet usage is high but not all users obtain their info this way.

It's all very well politicians becoming involved but as many politicians don't use bus services they will only be aware of what they are told by users, by Bus Éireann and by the NTA. Users also need to make their voice heard by writing to or e-mailing the NTA/ Bus Éireann.

The morning gap in services both ways Wexford-Rosslare Harbour could be filled by extending the 09.00 Waterford-Wexford route 40 to the Harbour (10.00 ex Wexford) and returning from Rosslare Harbour to Wexford at 10.30. As this will result in extra costs it would likely to have to be counterbalanced by withdrawing a journey (e.g. the route 40 12.30 Wexford - Rosslare Harbour and 13.00 return). Route 370 operates at roughly similar times i.e. 11.45 Wexford-Rosslare Harbour and 13.45 return. Not for a moment am I advocating that the 12.30 & 13.00 route 40 journeys be cut but looking at the matter realistically it seems to be the only way of commercially providing a mid-morning trip each way and filling the four hour interval.

Donkathon · 27-09-2012 01:39PM

Notices up today,

Such a disgrace

I live in barndarrig co.wicklow and the have cut 3 stop, The Beehive, Lil Doyle's & Jack Whites all 3 are right on the main road and cannot add any delay to the route if nobody is there to get on the bus it just keeps going

I know at least 5 very elderly people who use this service and now were left about 8 miles away from a town in the middle of nowhere with no public transport

Disgraceful

LXFlyer · 27-09-2012 04:05PM

Well get onto the National Transport Authority. They are responsible for the provision of subsidised services for people such as these.

BE is operating these services on a commercial basis, something most people don't seem to understand. What's needed is a limited service stopping at these locations that is supported by a subsidy. It doesn't need to be hourly but sufficient to allow people get to town/hospital etc. and do their business.

Only by lobbying the NTA will anything such as this come about.

Niles · 27-09-2012 07:15PM

Donkathon wrote: »

Notices up today,

Such a disgrace

I live in barndarrig co.wicklow and the have cut 3 stop, The Beehive, Lil Doyle's & Jack Whites all 3 are right on the main road and cannot add any delay to the route if nobody is there to get on the bus it just keeps going

I know at least 5 very elderly people who use this service and now were left about 8 miles away from a town in the middle of nowhere with no public transport

Disgraceful

Indeed. Although they have yet to bother putting up a notice at Inch.

I agree with lxflyer in that we should be writing to the NTA (I have done so, along with my TDs and councilors). I would urge anyone concerned to do likewise. There are plenty of moans about this on BÉ's facebook page but to be taken seriously lobbying the NTA is what's needed.

lxflyer wrote: »

Well get onto the National Transport Authority. They are responsible for the provision of subsidised services for people such as these.

BE is operating these services on a commercial basis, something most people don't seem to understand. What's needed is a limited service stopping at these locations that is supported by a subsidy. It doesn't need to be hourly but sufficient to allow people get to town/hospital etc. and do their business.

Personally I would happy with such a limited service. One compromise might be to get the route 6 New Ross bus to serve these locations, loadings on that bus never seem to be high. Not much good for the Ballycanew road granted.

dublinman1990 · 27-09-2012 10:40PM

There is a general feeling IMO that this service is being run into the ground with the way that the cuts that are about to take place.

Is there is a case that the cuts which are taking place soon due to overlapping other BE routes as well as it overlaps with the 5 and 133?

bmaxi · 28-09-2012 09:49AM

dublinman1990 wrote: »

There is a general feeling IMO that this service is being run into the ground with the way that the cuts that are about to take place.

Is there is a case that the cuts which are taking place soon due to overlapping other BE routes as well as it overlaps with the 5 and 133?

I don't know why that would be, the service is well supported, certainly from Gorey.
I also dispute the fact, mentioned in an earlier post, that any Expressway service is a commercial venture. No operation within the CIE group of companies could be considered a purely commercial venture.

Niles · 28-09-2012 10:38PM

They've caved a little on the St.Vincent's issue, it will now have three services each way. Doesn't do anything for the users of the request stops/Ballycanew road though.

http://www.buseireann.ie/news_timetable.php?id=1184&month=Sep

I would question the timings given though... five minutes from Busáras to Kildare St., and another five minutes from there to Vincent's? Not going to happen. You have to wonder if those who approve such timings have ever actually used the bus/have a basic sense of geography.

foggy_lad · 29-09-2012 01:24AM

Niles wrote: »

They've caved a little on the St.Vincent's issue, it will now have three services each way. Doesn't do anything for the users of the request stops/Ballycanew road though.

http://www.buseireann.ie/news_timetable.php?id=1184&month=Sep

I would question the timings given though... five minutes from Busáras to Kildare St., and another five minutes from there to Vincent's? Not going to happen. You have to wonder if those who approve such timings have ever actually used the bus/have a basic sense of geography.

Unless people officially complain about the timings in significant numbers bus Eireann will ignore them and assume that their customers are happy.

man98 · 30-09-2012 02:00PM

V_Moth wrote: »

You are right, apologies.

I wonder though where that leaves the Eurolines feeder service (formerly?) departing Dublin at 15.30. Checked the Bus Eireann Eurolines section and it is still possible to buy tickets for this route after the timetable change.

The route still runs to London which runs once day by Pembroke.

kmurph · 01-10-2012 09:42AM

Noticed this morning that the 8 am bus to Dublin came into the Wexford stop from the Rosslare direction. Are the buses still being based and serviced in Rosslare?

Saraahh · 29-10-2012 06:00PM

I think what they should do is put back in all the bus stops and take out the ones they are not going past. Because the Beehive, Lil Doyles and Jack Whites they are going past them it be different if bus eireann were going out of their way to get to these bus stops. Now I can't get the bus in anymore after school to my Wicklow because of these bus stops being taking away.

Saraahh · 29-10-2012 06:02PM

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: it is unbelievable what they have done gone and taking away bus stops that are there and it be different if they were going out of their way to get to them but they are not. the Beehive, Lil Doyles and Jack whites it stupid what they have done. no they have lost passagers because of this.

Niles · 29-10-2012 09:40PM

Best thing to do is to e-mail/write to your TDs, councillors and Bus Éireann themselves - that's what I've done.

In practice the buses seem to be struggling to keep the new times during the peak hours at any rate, despite the dropping of Beehive, Ballincor, Jack Whites, Inch and Clough.

foggy_lad · 30-10-2012 12:35PM

Niles wrote: »

Best thing to do is to e-mail/write to your TDs, councillors and Bus Éireann themselves - that's what I've done.

In practice the buses seem to be struggling to keep the new times during the peak hours at any rate, despite the dropping of Beehive, Ballincor, Jack Whites, Inch and Clough.

These services have also dropped the stop at Busaras when going towards the airport, they stop on Custom House Quay.

Niles · 30-10-2012 09:06PM

foggy_lad wrote: »

These services have also dropped the stop at Busaras when going towards the airport, they stop on Custom House Quay.

True indeed, they have also added an official set down set stop at Dawson St on the way in as well (on the old route there was an unofficial(?) stop at Clare St.). The change to Custom House Quay doesn't seem to have ruffled any feathers. Makes sense from an operational point of view I guess, allowing the buses to continue on directly to the Port Tunnel rather than circling Busáras and its vicinity a few times.

foggy_lad · 30-10-2012 09:47PM

Niles wrote: »

True indeed, they have also added an official set down set stop at Dawson St on the way in as well (on the old route there was an unofficial(?) stop at Clare St.). The change to Customer House Quay doesn't seem to have ruffled any feathers. Makes sense from an operational point of view I guess, allowing the buses to continue on directly to the Port Tunnel rather than circling Busáras and its vicinity a few times.

They probably should have cut out the Busáras stop years ago and would have saved thousands in wasted fuel from waiting in traffic and circling Busáras.

Niles · 12-01-2013 08:44PM

An update on this, it seems that some of services will stop at Jack White's and Lil Doyles once again, and the Lidl and Ferrybank Arklow stops will be reinstated (doesn't mention Templerainey or if Knockmore is to remain).

No mention of the Co. Wexford stops but it is the Wicklow news.

The article also mentions that in Dublin the bus will stop at the IFSC and the 02.

http://www.wicklownews.net/Post/2012/12/3635/bus-eireann-do-u-turn-on-wicklow-routes

Personally I think it would make sense to at least have some morning services run from Rosslare if the buses have to run empty to Wexford in the morning and evening anyway; likewise in the evening some south bound services could run through to there.

As for stops like Inch and Clough, it would make to sense to reinstate these on a similar (limited) basis to Jack Whites et al.

Not what could be done about the Ballycanew stops, though having one service each way a day seems reasonable (and by avoiding Enniscorthy would allow a quicker service to Wexford as well).

The irony of these cuts is that the route 2 service is now quite unreliable in terms of time keeping despite the removal of the request stops. The timetable includes some bizarre scheduling: Busáras-Arklow is given 1 hour 15 minutes (unlikely in weekday peak traffic) - and the X2 services avoiding Arklow are given this time to reach Gorey, implying that the distance from the Northern Arklow bypass exit to Arklow is the same as it is to Gorey?????

Speaking from experience the only buses that can be relied upon on the route are the 5/6 New Ross and 133/384 Arklow/Gorey Commuter services, which use the old timing allowances.

foggy_lad · 12-01-2013 09:03PM

It has gone the same way as the fictionally timetabled 004, X20, X8, 32, 33 etc etc. BE state they keep to these timetables but they don't and it is not really possible even at off-peak times on routes like the X8, X20, 32 and 33 to keep to the timetables. The NTA meanwhile take BE at their word when they say they are keeping to these timetables despite customer complaints of buses arriving at their destinations up to 60 minutes late and also arriving at intermediate stops up to 30 minutes behind schedule. In many cases passengers miss connections which they should make if the timetables were realistic!

Niles · 12-01-2013 10:20PM

foggy_lad wrote: »

It has gone the same way as the fictionally timetabled 004, X20, X8, 32, 33 etc etc. BE state they keep to these timetables but they don't and it is not really possible even at off-peak times on routes like the X8, X20, 32 and 33 to keep to the timetables. The NTA meanwhile take BE at their word when they say they are keeping to these timetables despite customer complaints of buses arriving at their destinations up to 60 minutes late and also arriving at intermediate stops up to 30 minutes behind schedule. In many cases passengers miss connections which they should make if the timetables were realistic!

Agreed. I really think the NTA need to be more scrutinizing when it comes to approving proposed schedules, certainly on the Wexford route both the state and main private operator are guilty of giving rather exaggerated times. For a while I travelled with Wexford Bus on what would be the 5:00am ex-Wexford and despite there being no traffic at that hour it rarely stuck to schedule - so if timing can't be held at that hour in the morning what hope is there for peak time services? As for the return 16:30 service... never saw that run to time on a weekday. No fault of the drivers I might add.

At the end of day it's the passengers and drivers (who have to put up with the flack on the ground) who suffer, God be with the days when one could turn up at a bus stop and reasonably assume that the bus would show up at the time stated, allowing for the odd delay now and then of course.

bmaxi · 12-01-2013 11:06PM

Niles wrote: »

An update on this, it seems that some of services will stop at Jack White's and Lil Doyles once again, and the Lidl and Ferrybank Arklow stops will be reinstated (doesn't mention Templerainey or if Knockmore is to remain).

No mention of the Co. Wexford stops but it is the Wicklow news.

The article also mentions that in Dublin the bus will stop at the IFSC and the 02.

http://www.wicklownews.net/Post/2012/12/3635/bus-eireann-do-u-turn-on-wicklow-routes

Personally I think it would make sense to at least have some morning services run from Rosslare if the buses have to run empty to Wexford in the morning and evening anyway; likewise in the evening some south bound services could run through to there.

As for stops like Inch and Clough, it would make to sense to reinstate these on a similar (limited) basis to Jack Whites et al.

Not what could be done about the Ballycanew stops, though having one service each way a day seems reasonable (and by avoiding Enniscorthy would allow a quicker service to Wexford as well).

The irony of these cuts is that the route 2 service is now quite unreliable in terms of time keeping despite the removal of the request stops. The timetable includes some bizarre scheduling: Busáras-Arklow is given 1 hour 15 minutes (unlikely in weekday peak traffic) - and the X2 services avoiding Arklow are given this time to reach Gorey, implying that the distance from the Northern Arklow bypass exit to Arklow is the same as it is to Gorey?????

Speaking from experience the only buses that can be relied upon on the route are the 5/6 New Ross and 133/384 Arklow/Gorey Commuter services, which use the old timing allowances.

More evidence I think, that they're feeling the heat from Wexford Bus, who upped the recently ante by announcing they are to introduce regular services in Arklow and North Wicklow. I'd say they would probably also introduce integrated ticketing and serve the stop on the old Arklow Road.
I noticed the 02 service taking the George's Quay route last night rather than continue up Moss Street, I think BE management are finally being made to wake up and realise that they're not playing with toy buses.

Bus Eireann - Revised route 2 no longer serving Rosslare

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