Why would an Irish person wear a poppy ?

Lapin · 28-10-2012 04:35PM

thecommietommy wrote: »

After all it's for a foreign army, I don't see anyone wearing an emblem for the French, American, Spanish army. Ok some say it's for charity for injured British soldiers, but surely if they join up it's up to the British govt to properly look after them when they are injured and not pestering people expecting charity ?

I'm willing to bet that you have never been 'pestered' by anyone selling a poppy.

There is no in your face exposure to advertising and marketing campaigns for the poppy, unlike hundreds of other goods that you willingly purchase each year without moaning about being pestered by those you gladly buy them from.

I'm sick of this same old shítstirring tripe beong regurgitated every year by people who know little or fúckall about what they're talking about.

No one forces anyone to wear a poppy. If people want to wear one, let them off. Its their business.

Live and let live - And STFU.

mattjack · 28-10-2012 04:35PM

Bassfish wrote: »

I have mixed feelings on it, my dad is English and served in the Royal Air Force his father was Irish and fought in ww2 and his father was Irish and fought in ww1. I was in Liverpool last November and my dad asked me to buy a poppy for him, no hassle I said. I saw a stall selling them, was walking over and saw that the fella manning it had a maroon beret on i.e. he was a paratrooper. Nope, couldn't do it, couldn't hand money over to a para. So I didn't.
Don't think I'd ever wear a poppy but no problem with anyone who does.

Because of something that happened 40 years ago ?

Sound of Silence · 28-10-2012 04:38PM

mattjack wrote: »

Because of something that happened 40 years ago ?

And which was only put to rest two years ago.

mattjack · 28-10-2012 04:41PM

Sound of Silence wrote: »

And which was only put to rest two years ago.

I think there's more than para's allowed wear maroon berets in the British , Air Assault etc, some non jump personnel too .

indioblack · 28-10-2012 04:43PM

Rigol wrote: »

Why would an Irish person wear a poppy?

Most likely out of not wanting to isolate themselves in work/work politics if they worked in G.Britain.

Not only for the possible consequences that may bite them in the 4rse but also to avoid the general BS and nagging.

Btw I find it ridiculous that its expected of EVERYONE. Its like saying 'why didn't you go to Mecca this year...you should be fking ashamed of yourself'.

Most people I see and work with here don't wear poppies at this time of year.
I suspect there is some unspoken pressure on people appearing on tv to wear one.
I usually buy one if I'm out - and it usually ends up in the glove compartment!
I've no problem buying one - not into making a statement out of it though.

wendell borton · 28-10-2012 04:46PM

Because sky and the tabloids say so.

Deedsie · 28-10-2012 04:46PM

mattjack wrote: »

Because of something that happened 40 years ago ?

Fairly sure the majority of wars Britain fought in were more than forty years ago? By your "Because of something that happened 40 years ago" why should anyone bother with the poppy, if it was more than forty years ago... Forget about it sure? The paras committed an absolute attrocity on the streets of Derry! It should never be allowed to be forgotten! It's part of Irish history!

Jimoslimos · 28-10-2012 04:54PM

OSI wrote: »

thecommietommy wrote: »

I don't think the victims of the British army would be so charitable to them. Besides, why don't they get the British govt to look after them instead of begging on the streets pestering people ?

Oh look, somebodies started a thread to try and justify their grievances.

I know it's hated here, but I think it's justified in this case:

"Thinly veiled, I hate the British, thread"

The OP may have an axe to grieve with the British but the point is a good one, regardless of political affiliation.

I don't agree with the wars British soldiers have been sent to serve in, I don't regard them as 'heroes' or people worth revering in any way.
However if the government decides to send those men and women into battle zones then the government should pay the price of rehabilitation etc and not rely on public goodwill and charity to cover the shortfall.

Jarrod · 28-10-2012 04:54PM

What about Daffodil day? The cheek of those feckers, pestering me to give money to a charity.

Celly Smunt · 28-10-2012 04:56PM

Due to the Irishmen who died fighting for britain to defend Ireland,because like it or not,Britain is a bigger defence to us than our own army.

ancapailldorcha · 28-10-2012 04:59PM

Been wearing them this time of the year all my life. I've no issue whatsoever wearing one.

wendell borton · 28-10-2012 05:07PM

But their lonely graves are by Suvla's waves
On the fringe of the gray North Sea.
But had they died by Pearse's side
Or fought with Cathal Brugha,
Their names we'd keep where the Fenians sleep.

gallag · 28-10-2012 05:09PM

When I wear a poppy it is a small way of thanking and keeping the memory alive of the sacrifices EVERY man woman and child gave for our freedom. To make this a bad thing is small minded

OneArt · 28-10-2012 05:10PM

girl2 wrote: »

I see some people in the north wearing them. And they are usually of a particular religious affiliation.

Those damn space voodooists.

gallag · 28-10-2012 05:10PM

When I wear a poppy it is a small way of thanking and keeping the memory alive of the sacrifices EVERY man woman and child gave for our freedom. To make this a bad thing is small minded

Celly Smunt · 28-10-2012 05:11PM

there's an awful echo in here.

Deedsie · 28-10-2012 05:23PM

mattjack wrote: »

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Can you rephrase all that, it's impossible to read when you mix your answer and quote me within the same quote brackets?

Red Pepper · 28-10-2012 05:27PM

My grandfather lost 2 brothers in WW1. He died fairly young too and I was told he would never talk about the war.
So yes I would wear the poppy.

ejmaztec · 28-10-2012 05:32PM

A more important question is "where's Seanchai?"

Jimoslimos · 28-10-2012 05:33PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

A more important question is "where's Seanchai?"

Waiting for Fratton Fred...

bluecode · 28-10-2012 05:35PM

I don't wear any charity badge which is what it is. But like most Irish people I never even saw one for sale. I'd probably buy one if I did. But I wouldn't wear it much because as I said I don't wear badges of any sort. Nothing political.

As for people raking up Bloody Sunday. Well that's all very well but I do think the IRA more than got their revenge. The Brits finally admitted and apologised for it even if it took them years.

Let's see Poppy day Enniskillen: 11 dead.
Warrenpoint: 16 Paratroopers dead and two others. Not to mention the Queen's uncle the same day. I would have thought that's pretty comphrensive revenge right there.
Then there was Bloody Friday, Omagh, Warrington, Birmingham, Guildford a long bloody litany of murder.

Not much of a moral high ground there for the Republicans. They brought a lot of shame to this country. Haven't seen them apologise just yet.

Of course another reason not to wear a poppy is fear of intimdation from our local friendly Republicans.

gobnaitolunacy · 28-10-2012 05:35PM

No I wouldn't as no-one in my family fought in WW1 or 2 save a distant relly who was in the US Army.

My folks were on the rebel side, but I wouldn't wear anything republican either. I don't 'advertise' and I won't be bandwagon jumping given the slew of centenaries coming up.

I would respect anyone who wishes to wear it, it's their choice.

cloud493 · 28-10-2012 05:35PM

Well I'm british. So I always wear a poppy :cool:

Madam · 28-10-2012 05:38PM

Can you buy poppies in the Republic(tbh I've never seen them)?

Deedsie · 28-10-2012 05:42PM

bluecode wrote: »

I don't wear any charity badge which is what it is. But like most Irish people I never even saw one for sale. I'd probably buy one if I did. But I wouldn't wear it much because as I said I don't wear badges of any sort. Nothing political.

As for people raking up Bloody Sunday. Well that's all very well but I do think the IRA more than got their revenge. The Brits finally admitted and apologised for it even if it took them years.

Let's see Poppy day Enniskillen: 11 dead.
Warrenpoint: 16 Paratroopers dead and two others. Not to mention the Queen's uncle the same day. I would have thought that's pretty comphrensive revenge right there.
Then there was Bloody Friday, Omagh, Warrington, Birmingham, Guildford and long bloody litany of murder.

Not much of a moral high ground there for the Republicans. They brought a lot of shame to this country. Haven't seen them apologise just yet.

Of course another reason not to wear a poppy is fear of intimdation from our local friendly Republicans.

The IRA were not marching for civil rights in Derry that day! They were non-combatant civilians murdered by an army that shouldn't have been there in the first place!

mattjack · 28-10-2012 05:43PM

Deedsie wrote: »

Fairly sure the majority of wars Britain fought in were more than forty years ago? By your "Because of something that happened 40 years ago" why should anyone bother with the poppy, if it was more than forty years ago... Forget about it sure? The paras committed an absolute attrocity on the streets of Derry! It should never be allowed to be forgotten! It's part of Irish history!

For your first question .. my answer is yes

For your second ... I'm not sure what you are talking about.

P.S. I'm taking the liberty of assuming these are questions .

Regarding your statement " the paras committed an absolute atrocity on the streets of Derry" I know that, as do most Irish posters.

The last bit ... unlikely it'll be forgotten.

Celly Smunt · 28-10-2012 05:45PM

Deedsie wrote: »

The IRA were not marching for civil rights in Derry that day! They were non-combatant civilians murdered by an army that shouldn't have been there in the first place!

plenty of bombs shouldn't have been planted on innocent civilians either.

Madam · 28-10-2012 05:45PM

Deedsie wrote: »

The IRA were not marching for civil rights in Derry that day! They were non-combatant civilians murdered by an army that shouldn't have been there in the first place!

Depends on who you listen to - according to some the IRA had infiltrated the civil rights group:rolleyes:

Grayson · 28-10-2012 05:51PM

Deedsie wrote: »

The IRA were not marching for civil rights in Derry that day! They were non-combatant civilians murdered by an army that shouldn't have been there in the first place!

And blowing up kids in warrington was ok? The IRA were not saints. They blew up plenty of innocent bystanders. Hell, they targeted plenty of innocent people.

golden lane · 28-10-2012 05:55PM

ireland should have a non poppy day........

where people just keep marching into the past.....

god help the future generations......

Why would an Irish person wear a poppy ?

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