Is it time for Pat to go?

High Nellie · 26-10-2012 11:30PM

Beasty wrote: »

...individual director's positions become pretty much untenable if they fail to support Board decisions.

Exactly. Each had a choice. Each supported the decision and Morgana made his choice, along with the others on a matter that involves the biggest sporting fraud the world as known and supported the status quo.
Cowardice, I say.

wav1 · 26-10-2012 11:46PM

High Nellie wrote: »

True in a way but, with all due respect, that's also a cop-out. Board members seek responsibility and they must act as such and 'Represent' the members. There is a clear choice here. Does he represent us or the vested interests that have the sport in the state it is in?
He can't ride both horses on this issue. If he backs the Board he has, by extension, nailed his colours to McQuaid's/Armstrong's mast.
No more fudge and ambiguity on this please....

Morana is 12.5 per cent of the board and just that.In fairness to the man he's a real down to earth real cycling guy in my opinion,and to the best of my knowledge the only board member who interacts with with plebs like us on forums such as this etc.I have been the first to disagree with several posts of his in relation to different aspects of the the sport in Ireland,but thats all healthy debate for the betterment of the sport.In this case please dont shoot the messenger.

ktz84 · 26-10-2012 11:50PM

Why did they release the statement. Seems to me that there was no great clamour for them to clarify their position so why do it?

thebouldwhacker · 27-10-2012 01:00AM

For all the lamp lovers

http://rolandtheys.photoposts.org/index.php?showimage=74469

Quigs Snr · 27-10-2012 01:09AM

On the one hand it seems to me that they should award Cycling Ireland Lances jersey's, yellow appears to be their color.

On the other hand, that may be unfair... they do have a point ...if McQuaid walked the plank who would realistically be chosen to take his place and would they be any better ? I've seen nothing to prove that McQuaid is guilty of anything worse than poor judgement and piss poor PR skills. McQuaids biggest problem is the inarticulate, arrogant stupidity that his family members and groupies come out with when defending him. They have really let the side down. Its no worse in many ways than the bile that gets spat out on the forums, and yes it is hard to see one of your own get shot at, but its his job, it comes with the turf. If your skin is that thin it's time for a career change. You can't be in a position of power even if its a supervisor in a supermarket and worry about what people will say about you....He needs to rise above all of that to retain or regain credibility with his actions. That and confiscate all of his families internet capable devices.

Now that the UCI have dropped their retarded (from a PR perspective given the sway of public opinon) case against Kimmage - which turned a lot of people, myself included, against McQuaid personally, I would be inclined to be fine with a truly independant and unimpeachable testing body being set up. Preferably headed by Ashenden.

Verbruggen most go though. He should be banned from even looking in a bike shop window. You'd want to have the intellect of a chocolate digestive to not see that he is far, far worse from the sport than Lance Armstrong and his ilk. If UCI hired a PR consultant that is the first piece of advice they would give them. Damage control 101, a sacrificial lamb is required. In this case a very, very deserving one. No brainer.

morana · 27-10-2012 09:09AM

High Nellie wrote: »

Exactly. Each had a choice. Each supported the decision and Morgana made his choice, along with the others on a matter that involves the biggest sporting fraud the world as known and supported the status quo.
Cowardice, I say.

who are you talking about? You always seem to get my name wrong! Anyway come to the agm and ask me to resign and i will give you an answer! Email me you have my address.

Just to say thanks to the 6 people who emailed me. I will bring them to the agm and use them in the debate.

Eamonnator · 27-10-2012 09:39AM

morana wrote: »

who are you talking about? You always seem to get my name wrong! Anyway come to the agm and ask me to resign and i will give you an answer! Email me you have my address.

Just to say thanks to the 6 people who emailed me. I will bring them to the agm and use them in the debate.

Morgana of course, Arthur's sister or half sister. Bit of a witch, I'm told.

Lusk Doyle · 27-10-2012 09:50AM

wav1 wrote: »

Morana is 12.5 per cent of the board and just that.In fairness to the man he's a real down to earth real cycling guy in my opinion,and to the best of my knowledge the only board member who interacts with with plebs like us on forums such as this etc.I have been the first to disagree with several posts of his in relation to different aspects of the the sport in Ireland,but thats all healthy debate for the betterment of the sport.In this case please dont shoot the messenger.

You can call yourself a pleb. Please don't call me one.

wav1 · 27-10-2012 09:55AM

Lusk Doyle wrote: »

You can call yourself a pleb. Please don't call me one.

I have no problem calling myself a pleb and apologies for generalising,but I'm a pleb who like morana works dam hard for this sport.TBH its more plebs like us that the sport in this country needs right now.

Lusk Doyle · 27-10-2012 10:43AM

wav1 wrote: »

I have no problem calling myself a pleb and apologies for generalising,but I'm a pleb who like morana works dam hard for this sport.TBH its more plebs like us that the sport in this country needs right now.

I agree that more like you are needed but the self deprecation is needless. Why do that when trying to put the best foot forward? That reminds me of the "Ah sure, at least we tried." or "We got the moral victory, despite having lost." attitude. It does you no service and shows (in my mind) that you question your own ideas / path...

Be more positive towards yourself.

ednwireland · 27-10-2012 11:23AM

Quigs Snr wrote: »

I've seen nothing to prove that McQuaid is guilty of anything worse than poor judgement and piss poor PR skills.

to be honest if you ran a company where people were criticizing your md in public, your power to draw customers (lets say sponsors) was falling and people like me are questioning my CI membership (ive emailed the secretary of CI to ask how much of my licence goes to UCI due to its UCI component because i'm not happy about any of it going to the UCI) and this is from someone who managed to watch cat1 races in yorkshire as a kid watched joop zoetemelk win a tour on world of sport sports special.

you wouldn't last long as head of the board of company and at the end of the day that's what he is and he seems from my distant view sitting on the edge of the Atlantic, destroying the sport that i love.

anyway i'm probably waffling but i would have liked to see CI at least acknowledge that UCI has not run the sport well.

edit: i also believe an independent enquiry is a way of kicking the problem down the road and hope it goes away, look at the tribunals here thats why they were set up

High Nellie · 27-10-2012 03:07PM

morana wrote: »

who are you talking about? You always seem to get my name wrong! Anyway come to the agm and ask me to resign and i will give you an answer! Email me you have my address.

Just to say thanks to the 6 people who emailed me. I will bring them to the agm and use them in the debate.

Opps - sorry about the wrong name.
But you haven't answered my question.
As a member of the Board of CI - which nominated McQuaid to head the UCI - do you support him in that position or not? And I asked for a 'Plain English' answer.
This is a time for people who put themselves forward as leaders of cycling - which you have done - to stand up and be counted.
I am just a pleb but I stood up on this issue in the only way that I can - I contributed to the Kimmage defense fund and I posted a thread here advising people how they could do likewise.
I'm not 'picking on you' as such - it's just that you put yourself forward a lot on this board, which is appreciated. If the other Board members were so accessible I would ask them individually also.
So, can you stand up and state your position clearly please, without hiding behind 'collective responsibility'? I'm sure it will be appreciated by members.

corny · 27-10-2012 03:15PM

High Nellie wrote: »

Opps - sorry about the wrong name.
But you haven't answered my question.
As a member of the Board of CI - which nominated McQuaid to head the UCI - do you support him in that position or not? And I asked for a 'Plain English' answer.
This is a time for people who put themselves forward as leaders of cycling - which you have done - to stand up and be counted.
I am just a pleb but I stood up on this issue in the only way that I can - I contributed to the Kimmage defense fund and I posted a thread here advising people how they could do likewise.
I'm not 'picking on you' as such - it's just that you put yourself forward a lot on this board, which is appreciated. If the other Board members were so accessible I would ask them individually also.
So, can you stand up and state your position clearly please, without hiding behind 'collective responsibility'? I'm sure it will be appreciated by members.

Why are you pushing it; you know the answer to your question.

morana · 27-10-2012 03:35PM

High Nellie wrote: »

Opps - sorry about the wrong name.
But you haven't answered my question.
As a member of the Board of CI - which nominated McQuaid to head the UCI - do you support him in that position or not? And I asked for a 'Plain English' answer.
This is a time for people who put themselves forward as leaders of cycling - which you have done - to stand up and be counted.
I am just a pleb but I stood up on this issue in the only way that I can - I contributed to the Kimmage defense fund and I posted a thread here advising people how they could do likewise.
I'm not 'picking on you' as such - it's just that you put yourself forward a lot on this board, which is appreciated. If the other Board members were so accessible I would ask them individually also.
So, can you stand up and state your position clearly please, without hiding behind 'collective responsibility'? I'm sure it will be appreciated by members.

I gave you my position earlier on. I stand behind what the board have issued. Simple as that.

Picking on me is not a problem because I can deal with bullys but I dont know what your agenda is? I have an idea but probably just a bit of paranoia on my part. Anybody who needs to know my position knows it. will you be at the AGM?

An furthermore because I am pissed off now, I dont have to tell you or anybody else what I think. Who are you to ask me to explain myself? I come on this board and contribute to whatever debate I decide to. I dont come here to answer to you or anybody else please remember and respect that. As I said I have seen 6 emails just 6 from members who want to have their feelings known. They have also included their membership number. Have you sent me a mail? So as regards being in step with the majority of the membership I dont see how we arent if thats the response.

brandon_flowers · 28-10-2012 08:37PM

Good article here from Eamon Sweeney who can be OTT sometimes but he is spot on here.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/eamon-sweeney-mcquaid-still-blaming-everyone-else-3276782.html

noddy69 · 28-10-2012 09:35PM

brandon_flowers wrote: »

Good article here from Eamon Sweeney who can be OTT sometimes but he is spot on here.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/eamon-sweeney-mcquaid-still-blaming-everyone-else-3276782.html

Agree 100%.

Never did get an answer as to the wording of the boards decision. How is confidence in the board at the minute, if anyone on that board felt strongly enough they should resign in disgust rather than back a travesty of a decision because it had a chance to make a difference and send a message to the cycling world, instead it makes us look like a joke.

happytramp · 28-10-2012 10:20PM

Yeah, I'd be curious to know what exactly about Pat's tenure has inspired so much faith in the board.

RobFowl · 28-10-2012 10:29PM

@noddy69 @happytramp
Go to the AGM and ask....

WakeyTyke · 29-10-2012 12:06AM

Good to see the momentum is starting to build on the social media sites.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Hein-Verbruggen-and-Pat-McQuaid-Should-Resign-from-the-UCI/502811146403499?ref=hl

morana · 29-10-2012 10:52AM

Why not come to the agm next saturday and ask us individually what our views are on where we stand. I am happy to tell people in that forum!

And you dont have to be a delegate you can come sign in and observe.

RobFowl · 03-11-2012 01:50AM

http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-news/vote-of-no-confidence-in-mcquaid-to-be-raised-at-cycling-ireland-agm-tomorrow-saturday/

See you all at the Agm....

buffalo · 03-11-2012 05:53PM

Anyone tweeting from the AGM or anything?

Trojan · 03-11-2012 06:08PM

buffalo wrote: »

Anyone tweeting from the AGM or anything?

Nothing doing so far. The UCI probably arranged to have the troublemakers press-ganged

Chips Lovell · 03-11-2012 06:23PM

Meeting over. Discussion permitted at the end. Several called for an EGM for a vote of no confidence in McQuaid. Several vigorously defended him.

Trojan · 03-11-2012 06:32PM

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

Meeting over. Discussion permitted at the end. Several called for an EGM for a vote of no confidence in McQuaid. Several vigorously defended him.

Will there be an EGM?

seve65 · 03-11-2012 07:27PM

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

Meeting over. Discussion permitted at the end. Several called for an EGM for a vote of no confidence in McQuaid. Several vigorously defended him.

what kind of defence was offered ?

ktz84 · 03-11-2012 07:28PM

seve65 wrote: »

what kind of defence was offered ?

He's Irish

seve65 · 03-11-2012 07:31PM

ah thats right, thats right, thats right, isnt he lovely.

el tel · 03-11-2012 07:55PM

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

Meeting over. Discussion permitted at the end. Several called for an EGM for a vote of no confidence in McQuaid. Several vigorously defended him.

What was the turnout like, I get the impression that last year's meeting turned out as popular as anal warts.

Beasty · 03-11-2012 09:10PM

el tel wrote: »

What was the turnout like, I get the impression that last year's meeting turned out as popular as anal warts.

Quorum (>25 clubs represented) present from the start. I would estimate around 80-100 total turnout

Is it time for Pat to go?

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