Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

Mickeroo · 24-10-2012 02:34PM

Yeah that's the one!

robby^5 · 24-10-2012 08:28PM

Does our substitution policy enrage anyone else? The opposition always get a pair of fresh legs or two on before we do. Throwing on Arshavin and Gnabry is never going to make any difference with 8 minutes left to play.

Poor display tonight, we never had any real chances to score. The team has to pick themselves up and really give it to QPR this weekend or moral will be shot.

jordainius · 24-10-2012 08:32PM

Wenger's age old failing of being unable to inspire his team to react to a ****ty performance looks to be hurting us once more. An Arsenal team feeling sorry for itself for a run of games, I've always felt that while Arsenal players have always deeply respected AW, they have never really feared him. Way too often Arsenal teams go on runs like this, the type of run that doesn't happen to ManUtd under Ferguson. No hair dryer from AW, just sympathy and support.

(These horrendous runs of feeling sorry for themselves is by no means a recent phenomenon, such runs cost us from winning the title in 2003, 2005 and 2008. And, one such run almost derailed our "Invincibles" season...)

P.S. This is by no means a "Wenger out" post! I still love the guy despite his failings...

Marty McFly · 24-10-2012 08:33PM

Well that was another shocking performance tonight, Did Santos even manage once to stop a player going by him and getting a cross in? We offered no creativity going forward what so ever, I wouldnt even blame Gervinho or Giroud they were given nothing to work with from the midfield, this was just as bad of the Norwich performance, absolutely fuming after that it was clear changes needed to be made with Santos and in midfield and we left it way to late. Weve become such a disheartening team to watch over the years one week immense the next shockingly bad were is the effort and heart in the team when it counts why do our heads drop so often were is our fighting spirit.

24-10-2012 08:35PM

Marty McFly wrote: »

one week immense the next shockingly bad

Genuine question, have we been "immense" in any match this season? Couple of times things looked like there was potential, that's as far as I'd go.

Mickeroo · 24-10-2012 08:37PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Genuine question, have we been "immense" in any match this season? Couple of times things looked like there was potential, that's as far as I'd go.

The Southampton game at a stretch.

iMuse · 24-10-2012 08:38PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

The Southampton game at a stretch.

Against the worst defence in the league though, Fully expect QPR to get 3 points against us at the weekend.

24-10-2012 08:38PM

Mannone - Has he saved a shot this season? Serious question. Look at Joe Hart digging his team out of holes then look at Mannone. If the other team has a shot on target they score.

Santos - Wasn't helped by Podolski once but was still awful

Vermaelen - Been really poor for nearly a year at this stage. Wasn't as bad as he was against Norwich but still worrying.

Mertesacker - played well, made some crucial interceptions

Jenkinson - Probably our most solid defender these days, can't remember any attacks of note down our right hand side in the last few games.

Coquelin - Played well and I'd have him over Ramsey all day long

Arteta - Meh. If hes playing alongside Coquelin I expect a lot more creativity from him, there was none.

Cazorla - drifted in and out, as he has done recently, really expected more.

Ramsey - What exactly does he do? Doesn't defend all that much, doesn't create much, just gets the ball and passes it backwards...

Podolski - been poor for 5/6 games now and hes even stopped tracking back. Would drop him.

Gervinho - Didn't play well at all, but its pretty difficult for him when there's 0 creativity behind him.

Wenger/Bould - 2 games in a row we've decided to give players 15 and 8 minutes to make an impact. 'Cause that's ever worked, ever. And Santos should have been off for Kosc at half time, anyone could have told them that.

So yeah, I'm not impressed!

24-10-2012 08:39PM

Just realised we finished with Coquelin and Gnabry on. That can't be construed as a positive surely?

Marty McFly · 24-10-2012 08:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Genuine question, have we been "immense" in any match this season? Couple of times things looked like there was potential, that's as far as I'd go.

Ok not immense very often that last few years or this season but you know what I mean some weeks well go out and it all seem to be falling into place and you think yes its starting to click were coming good, we banged in a few goals let the good times roll and the following week it will be like watching acompletely different team devoid of creativity, no goals no passion and you wonder what happened to the eleven players from last week were far to inconsistent, as has already been said Fergie deserves credit no matter what team he puts out including a lot of very average teams talent wise the last few years he still manages to get that drive, passion and hunger instilled in his players.

jordainius · 24-10-2012 08:42PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Just realised we finished with Coquelin and Gnabry on. That can't be construed as a positive surely?

I don't get your angle here? I don't believe there are any positives whatsoever from tonight.

gosplan · 24-10-2012 08:43PM

Not much we can do there except try to find a better CF and two wingers from somewhere.

Ramsey will come in for some criticisim but clearly he's not suited to the wing.

Squad looks seriously light when some players lose form/fittness, doesn't it?

.jacksparrow. · 24-10-2012 08:47PM

gosplan wrote: »

Not much we can do there except try to find a better CF and two wingers from somewhere.

Ramsey will come in for some criticisim but clearly he's not suited to the wing.

Squad looks seriously light when some players lose form/fittness, doesn't it?

Like who though,all we had missing from our outfield players is gibbs and diaby,simple fact is the squad is not good enough.

24-10-2012 08:48PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Like who though,all we had missing from our outfield players is gibbs and diaby,simple fact is the squad is not good enough.

Eh?

We were missing Gibbs, Diaby, Wilshere, Walcott, Sagna, Oxlade-Chamberlain.

Not an excuse but the injury list is long.

Marty McFly · 24-10-2012 08:49PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Like who though,all we had missing from our outfield players is gibbs and diaby,simple fact is the squad is not good enough.

You may add Walcott, Chamberlain, Wilshere and Sagna to that.

24-10-2012 08:51PM

AdamD wrote: »

Mannone - Has he saved a shot this season? Serious question. Look at Joe Hart digging his team out of holes then look at Mannone. If the other team has a shot on target they score.

That's ridiculously harsh. There's a gulf between them. How about measuring up Mannone against Richard Wight? He is our 3rd choice keeper after all.

Santos - Wasn't helped by Podolski once but was still awful

Dreadful, but again, second choice.

Vermaelen - Been really poor for nearly a year at this stage. Wasn't as bad as he was against Norwich but still worrying.

I'm beginning to think he might not be that good. He definitely should havee played instead of Santos, bring Kos in to replace him.

Mertesacker - played well, made some crucial interceptions

Underestimated player imo

Jenkinson - Probably our most solid defender these days, can't remember any attacks of note down our right hand side in the last few games.

Again, Second choice. Sagna will have a toug time getting is spot again.

Coquelin - Played well and I'd have him over Ramsey all day long

Agreed

Arteta - Meh. If hes playing alongside Coquelin I expect a lot more creativity from him, there was none.

He was feeding the ball to Gervinho. Who was absolute muck.

Cazorla - drifted in and out, as he has done recently, really expected more.

I think he really needs a focus man and Gerv aint it.

Ramsey - What exactly does he do? Doesn't defend all that much, doesn't create much, just gets the ball and passes it backwards...

He wrecks my head?

Podolski - been poor for 5/6 games now and hes even stopped tracking back. Would drop him.

I don't understand what happened to him. He was great at the start and now, not so good.

Gervinho - Didn't play well at all, but its pretty difficult for him when there's 0 creativity behind him.

I'd nearly play Chamackh ahead of him. Definitely would have started with Giroud anyway

Wenger/Bould - 2 games in a row we've decided to give players 15 and 8 minutes to make an impact. 'Cause that's ever worked, ever. And Santos should have been off for Kosc at half time, anyone could have told them that.

Ridiculous decisions from the boss and the stand in. Should have taken Santos off at half time for Kos, brought Gnabry on at 60 minutes

So yeah, I'm not impressed!

Agreed. But at least I can rely on City to bring a smile to my face!

.jacksparrow. · 24-10-2012 08:51PM

AdamD wrote: »

Eh?

We were missing Gibbs, Diaby, Wilshere, Walcott, Sagna, Oxlade-Chamberlain.

Not an excuse but the injury list is long.

Eh?I'm talking about the first fit 11 to start the season.walcott ox haven't been in the first 11 when fit.

It's excuses for a poor team and squad who Wenger has assembled.

jordainius · 24-10-2012 08:53PM

Vermaelen's form after the long term injury along with the same thing happening Rosicky really make me worry that Jack Wilshere just won't be the same player when he returns.

.jacksparrow. · 24-10-2012 08:55PM

jordainius wrote: »

Vermaelen's form after the long term injury along with the same thing happening Rosicky really make me worry that Jack Wilshere just won't be the same player when he returns.

Add ramsey to that,too much relying on jack coming back to the same level,Wenger is just ap guilty of this.

24-10-2012 08:57PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Eh?I'm talking about the first fit 11 to start the season.walcott ox haven't been in the first 11 when fit.

It's excuses for a poor team and squad who Wenger has assembled.

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Like who though,all we had missing from our outfield players is gibbs and diaby,simple fact is the squad is not good enough.

You didn't?

This might be controversial but I'd like to see Cazorla on the wing with Giroud up top, hes probably the only player in the squad who can cross a ball.

.jacksparrow. · 24-10-2012 09:02PM

AdamD wrote: »

You didn't?

This might be controversial but I'd like to see Cazorla on the wing with Giroud up top, hes probably the only player in the squad who can cross a ball.

I misread the first comment about the squad,but I meant we are only missing 2 players from our first 11 people were praising so good after the pool and city games.something has gone wrong.

keano_afc · 24-10-2012 09:04PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Add ramsey to that,too much relying on jack coming back to the same level,Wenger is just ap guilty of this.

Thats a massive failing with Wenger. Didnt bother buying a replacement for Almunia because he was prepared to wait for Chesney. Took a massive gamble on Diaby which has predictably backfired. Gambled on Gervinho taking some of the goalscoring burden instead of replacing RvP. Worked for about 4 games but we're seeing the Gervinho of last season now. But on the plus side, made a profit in the transfer window this summer.

The buck stops with Wenger. He cant motivate this team and is becoming more and more blind to the failings of them. This isn't a Wenger out post either, but he's getting easier and easier to criticise.

gosplan · 24-10-2012 09:07PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Like who though,all we had missing from our outfield players is gibbs and diaby,simple fact is the squad is not good enough.

Which is pretty much what i said.

.jacksparrow. · 24-10-2012 09:17PM

gosplan wrote: »

Which is pretty much what i said.

Point taken.

greendom · 24-10-2012 09:32PM

The really worrying thing about the last 2 matches is the absolute lack of chances created. Both opposition goalies could have had the night off. And apparently we have created fewer chances than any other side in this season's Champions League. Really worrying stuff.

tayto lover · 24-10-2012 09:36PM

We urgently need a goalkeeper, two full-backs, a midfielder and about three weeks (day & night) on the training ground putting in crosses that actually cause trouble to defences. That much for a start.

.jacksparrow. · 24-10-2012 09:37PM

Podolski ain't a winger,ger ain't a striker and ramsey is certainly not a winger,he must be Wengers lovechild,with the amount of games he gets and never gets taken off when he should.the team is so flat,too much mismanagement on so many levels.

Galvasean · 24-10-2012 09:45PM

Nice to see the thread busy again now that we've lost two on the trot...

Now where's me friggin' goals!?!?!?!?!? :mad:

Fuzzy_Dunlop · 24-10-2012 09:46PM

tayto lover wrote: »

We urgently need a goalkeeper, two full-backs, a midfielder and about three weeks (day & night) on the training ground putting in crosses that actually cause trouble to defences. That much for a start.

Why can't people understand that Mannone is our 3rd choice keeper? Pick any teams 3rd choice keeper and they will be dodgy.

Also don't see how we need two full backs as Jenkinson has been doing very well as back up to Sagna. We're pretty stacked in midfield with Jack back and Rosicky/Diaby still to come back, although more quality midfielders is always welcome.

Moreso we need consistant forwards than anything else you mentioned.

.jacksparrow. · 24-10-2012 09:51PM

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: »

Why can't people understand that Mannone is our 3rd choice keeper? Pick any teams 3rd choice keeper and they will be dodgy.

Also don't see how we need two full backs as Jenkinson has been doing very well as back up to Sagna. We're pretty stacked in midfield with Jack back and Rosicky/Diaby still to come back, although more quality midfielders is always welcome.

Moreso we need consistant forwards than anything else you mentioned.

And some proper wingers!!!

Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 12/13 MOD POST #232

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