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Mary Bell

  • 21-10-2012 11:56PM
    #1
    TeddyTedson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭


    How would you feel living beside Mary Bell?
    Should someone so evil so young ever be released? I don't think she should have been. She's rotten to the core.
    She killed and mutilated a 3 and 4 year old at the age of only 11 herself.
    Do you think her mother working the game contributed to her sick mind?
    I'd go as far as to say she is possibly the most evil woman of all time. Why did she return to carve an M on the victim.
    Hopefully her new identity is soon published. I feel sorry for her grand kids in particular, not knowing of the witch she is.
    She deserves to rot.


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  • #2
    Internet Hero
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 373 ✭✭Internet Hero


    dont know who she is so i wouldnt really mind


  • #3
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Plenty of people worse than her have been released since she was


  • #4
    sunflower27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,822 ✭✭✭sunflower27


    Saw a documentary on her a month or so ago.

    Was chilling to say the least.

    I doubt her identity would be made public after all this time though.


  • #5
    TeddyTedson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Plenty of people worse than her have been released since she was
    I wouldn't say there is anyone worse, equally as evil perhaps. There is no way she should be out there now.


  • #6
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    Seeing as Teddy neglected to give any information as to who he was on about...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Bell


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  • #7
    TeddyTedson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    Seeing as Teddy neglected to give any information as to who he was on about...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Bell
    Oh yea I thought I pasted that.


  • #8
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    TeddyTedson wrote: »
    I wouldn't say there is anyone worse, equally as evil perhaps. There is no way she should be out there now.

    Well presumably she's kept her nose clean for the 32 years that since she's been out. She served her time and is no longer classed as a threat.

    She may not have served enough time, but that's another issue. I wouldn't base my opinion on the morality of it.. realistically; someone of a greater threat to you probably lives next door already.


  • #9
    Smidge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Smidge


    Was only talking about Mary Bell the other day!!!

    Exceptional extenuating circumstances in her case tho Teddy.

    I wouldn't give her the name of most evil tbh given her background it was mitigating to say the least(not excusing what she did)

    BTW the "M" was the initial of the girl she was with at the second murder.


  • #10
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,310 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    From wikipeida;
    Mary herself says she was subjected to repeated sexual abuse, her mother forcing her from the age of four to engage in sex acts with men
    I'd seriously wonder how her mental health would be after this, and was the sexual abuse still continuing up to when she killed the two boys? Also, as she had "mutilate his (Brian Howe) penis", I'm assuming she had a deep resentment at the time to all males, probably due to what her mother had forced her to do.


  • #11
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    Someone should of killed her daughter to see how she would of liked it.


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  • #12
    TeddyTedson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    My name is URL wrote: »

    Well presumably she's kept her nose clean for the 32 years that since she's been out. She served her time and is no longer classed as a threat.

    She may not have served enough time, but that's another issue. I wouldn't base my opinion on the morality of it.. realistically; someone of a greater threat to you probably lives next door already.
    Are you talking about the ginger family or the nosey teacher? I'd be willing to bet it's the teacher and have no doubt that wagon has been using my Internet seeing as I have no security right now. But that's another story.


  • #13
    TeddyTedson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    the_syco wrote: »
    From wikipeida;

    I'd seriously wonder how her mental health would be after this, and was the sexual abuse still continuing up to when she killed the two boys? Also, as she had "mutilate his (Brian Howe) penis", I'm assuming she had a deep resentment at the time to all males, probably due to what her mother had forced her to do.
    She was known to be a compulsive liar.

    Would people feel comfortable with her living across the road?


  • #14
    3rdDegree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,266 ✭✭✭3rdDegree


    It was a long time ago, she was very young, had a terrible upbringing, has served her time and not re-offended in any way since release. I think she and her family deserve to be left alone to live their lives.


  • #15
    ArtSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭ArtSmart


    TeddyTedson wrote: »
    How would you feel living beside Mary Bell?
    Should someone so evil so young ever be released? I don't think she should have been. She's rotten to the core.
    She killed and mutilated a 3 and 4 year old at the age of only 11 herself.
    Do you think her mother working the game contributed to her sick mind?
    I'd go as far as to say she is possibly the most evil woman of all time. Why did she return to carve an M on the victim.
    Hopefully her new identity is soon published. I feel sorry for her grand kids in particular, not knowing of the witch she is.
    She deserves to rot.
    So, em, how's all in Teddy land?


  • #16
    Aint Eazy Being Cheezy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,634 ✭✭✭Aint Eazy Being Cheezy


    Id happily live beside her. She wasn't bad looking back then, could be a GILF by now..


  • #17
    ArtSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭ArtSmart


    TeddyTedson wrote: »
    Are you talking about the ginger family or the nosey teacher? I'd be willing to bet it's the teacher and have no doubt that wagon has been using my Internet seeing as I have no security right now. But that's another story.
    Ah.


  • #18
    jaffacakesyum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭jaffacakesyum


    As difficult as it is not to be filled with hatred for people like Mary Bell, she was very young, had a difficult childhood and served her sentence. I do think people like this once rehabilitated do deserve to be free from jail. Otherwise, what is the point of jail? Might as well reintroduce the death penalty.

    However, I can't agree with providing anonymity to convicted criminals like this. They should have to live with what they've done for the rest of their lives and more importantly, I think society deserves to know if they're living in an area where a dangerous convicted criminal is, even if they are supposedly rehabilitated and moving on with their lives. I know this introduces all sorts of hell for the (ex) criminal but I really would not like to be living next to this woman.


  • #19
    3ndahalfof6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,184 ✭✭✭3ndahalfof6


    I am in no way condoning what she did, but from the day she was born she knew nothing but hate, probably till her mid to late teens.


  • #20
    Spread
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,876 ✭✭✭Spread


    If this is the same Mary Bell that killed two kids long, long ago ....... I remember thinking at the time that she should be put away for ever. In court she said she "stomped and stomped" on his head. Really evil and such a disturbing thought. Have just read the wiki link ......... I don't think that sexual abuse was mentioned at the trial. But if she's kept her nose clean all those years I think she deserves (and especially her daughter) to be left alone by the tabloids who, in a hypocritical moralistic stance, want to resensationalise the whole sorry saga to promote flagging sales.

    As a family newspaper we won't divulge more of the story than necessary. Read the day by day sordid reports of the trial - with pics - in pages 2,3,4,5,7,8,9,10, and 13.


  • #21
    sunflower27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,822 ✭✭✭sunflower27


    the_syco wrote: »
    From wikipeida;

    I'd seriously wonder how her mental health would be after this, and was the sexual abuse still continuing up to when she killed the two boys? Also, as she had "mutilate his (Brian Howe) penis", I'm assuming she had a deep resentment at the time to all males, probably due to what her mother had forced her to do.

    It was not just boys.

    She also attenmted to strangle two little girls who were playing in a sandpit. They didn'tleave when she asked them, so she attempted to strangle them and forced sand down their throats.

    It was that incident that alerted authorities and made her the prime suspect in the murders, from what I recall.


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  • #22
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Smidge wrote: »
    BTW the "M" was the initial of the girl she was with at the second murder.
    She carved an N, for Norma who was the other girl with her but she then changed it to an M


  • #23
    minidazzler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    TeddyTedson wrote: »
    I wouldn't say there is anyone worse, equally as evil perhaps. There is no way she should be out there now.

    Evil is a stupid term bandied about to justify punitive rather than rehabilitation prison terms. Yes, she displayed symptoms of psychopathy, when she was 11. She was reviewed a LOT of times by lots of different psychiatrists before she was released. A close eye would have been kept on her and she has not to anyones knowledge commit any more crimes since her release.

    What she did was evil, but calling her evil is incredibly moronic when you know nothing of her except for 2 horrible acts she committed when she was 11, 7 years after the beginning of a cycle of abuse.

    I am NOT justifying her actions, but if in her evaluations she was deemed to be no longer a threat to others then why should she be held any longer? To make you feel better about yourself?

    Prisons should be primarily for rehabilitation, NOT for punishment. That is not to say Punitive sentences shouldn't be handed down, but they shouldn't exceed far past the point of rehabilitation.


  • #24
    JustAddWater
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,990 ✭✭✭JustAddWater


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Someone should of killed her daughter to see how she would of liked it.

    Wrong thread!

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056787075


  • #25
    Death and Taxes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    TeddyTedson wrote: »
    How would you feel living beside Mary Bell?
    Should someone so evil so young ever be released? I don't think she should have been. She's rotten to the core.
    She killed and mutilated a 3 and 4 year old at the age of only 11 herself.
    Do you think her mother working the game contributed to her sick mind?
    I'd go as far as to say she is possibly the most evil woman of all time. Why did she return to carve an M on the victim.
    Hopefully her new identity is soon published. I feel sorry for her grand kids in particular, not knowing of the witch she is.
    She deserves to rot.
    Having read your post and knowing more of the detail of the case than you bothered to find out , I have to say I think you and your rabble rousing posts cause a greater threat to society than she does.:mad:


  • #26
    Lambsbread
    Closed Accounts Posts: 442 ✭✭Lambsbread


    She had a terrible up bringing so it is unfair to say she is "Evil". From the age of 11 to when she was released she was removed from an unbelievably unhealthy living environment. She would have been reformed in this time and only then released. In fact it is societies fault that she was not put into care before these murders happened.

    And saying her daughter should be murdered is obviously an afterhours comment.


  • #27
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Spread wrote: »
    As a family newspaper we won't divulge more of the story than necessary. Read the day by day sordid reports of the trial - with pics - in pages 2,3,4,5,7,8,9,10, and 13.

    Pages 11 & 12 devoted to Kerry katona's latest meltdown


  • #28
    tfitzgerald
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,290 ✭✭✭tfitzgerald


    I don't think that anyone that commits crimes like she did can ever be reformed. I think evil is built into her. I would not like to be living anywhere near her.


  • #29
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    tfitzgerald wrote: »
    I don't think that anyone that commits crimes like she did can ever be reformed. I think evil is built into her. I would not like to be living anywhere near her.

    So you believe that evil is geneticly encoded into her. I assume that's what you meant by "built into her".

    Do you have evidence of this gene.

    And does this mean she's not to blame? That she or anyone who commits a crime has no choice at all?


  • #30
    allibastor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,520 ✭✭✭allibastor


    minidazzler wrote: »
    Evil is a stupid term bandied about to justify punitive rather than rehabilitation prison terms. Yes, she displayed symptoms of psychopathy, when she was 11. She was reviewed a LOT of times by lots of different psychiatrists before she was released. A close eye would have been kept on her and she has not to anyones knowledge commit any more crimes since her release.

    What she did was evil, but calling her evil is incredibly moronic when you know nothing of her except for 2 horrible acts she committed when she was 11, 7 years after the beginning of a cycle of abuse.

    I am NOT justifying her actions, but if in her evaluations she was deemed to be no longer a threat to others then why should she be held any longer? To make you feel better about yourself?

    Prisons should be primarily for rehabilitation, NOT for punishment. That is not to say Punitive sentences shouldn't be handed down, but they shouldn't exceed far past the point of rehabilitation.


    To be fair, it should be both. At the end of the day 2 little kids are not alive because of her.

    Social services should be shot over cases like this though. And once someone is a danger she always has that risk again as it is wired into her brain due to her initial up bringing.


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  • #31
    Father Damo
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    How did the teenage girl get acquitted and she convicted? If anything the elder one was nearly more responsible!


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