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Trial by Internet - Amanda Todd

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  • #32
    Corruptedmorals
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,195 ✭✭✭Corruptedmorals


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Yes it is. It's what the thread is about.

    A group of faceless randomers have released the name and address of someone that may not even be guilty of anything, and threatened him with violence. They should have just reported it to the police rather than do it publicly and prejudicially. That doesn't help anyone, and could in fact be detrimental to the case and investigation overall.


    Well, you don't know for sure that they didn't report it to police. I suppose it isn't their style, though I'm sure the police have seen that by now. As I said before, with the amount of contact he had over the years blackmailing her and befriending students in her schools, it's quite possible he wasn't that hard to trace. I would say it's more likely they have pinpointed the right person than not. I know they don't portray theemselves as saints, but I doubt they would release that if they weren't sure.


  • #33
    3ndahalfof6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,184 ✭✭✭3ndahalfof6


    Someone died who was young, she was a person on a learning curve but never got to the end of it,

    so, so, sad, so many young people never get the chance to get older, so they could see taking their lives was a waste,

    I do feel sad when someone so young decides to exit.


  • #34
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Corruptedmorals wrote: »
    Well, you don't know for sure that they didn't report it to police. I suppose it isn't their style, though I'm sure the police have seen that by now. As I said before, with the amount of contact he had over the years blackmailing her and befriending students in her schools, it's quite possible he wasn't that hard to trace. I would say it's more likely they have pinpointed the right person than not. I know they don't portray theemselves as saints, but I doubt they would release that if they weren't sure.

    One of the problems is though, that there is no 'they', realistically. For all anyone knows it could be a group of friends doing it for their own twisted kicks.

    The YouTube account the video was posted on was only set up yesterday. Just because they use the name 'Anonymous' and wear a specific mask doesn't mean that they're any more credible than anyone else. Presumably the guy they named will now need to be placed under police protection, regardless of whether he's guilty or not; until the police have finished their investigations, which will eat up time and resources that could be put to better use.

    Imo, they were stupid for publicly exposing the guy and his whereabouts, and tbh; anyone that sees it as a good idea is equally as stupid.


  • #35
    Rayne Wooney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,134 ✭✭✭✭Rayne Wooney


    Just read that the group Anonymous posted Kody Maxson's (the name of the man they claim harassed Amanda Todd) home address, telephone number and email address on various sites. This group must be very sure of this guy if they're giving out that information


  • #36
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Rayne Wooney wrote: »
    Just read that the group Anonymous posted Kody Maxson's (the name of the man they claim harassed Amanda Todd) home address, telephone number and email address on various sites. This group must be very sure of this guy if they're giving out that information

    Why should they be sure? What's the consequences to them if they are wrong? Is it not a Constitutional right to face your accuser? Anonymous don't want to be accountable to anyone under any process that I am aware of.


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  • #37
    Sully
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,073 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    Not that we need another example of what bullying does to people, but I think that video is a very hitting reminder. Partly brought on by her own actions - but at her age, its safe to say she didn't think and see the risk as many others older than her would have. But does anybody deserve this much bullying over it? Does anybody deserve to be this upset, struggle this much and eventually, commit suicide? I think not and I think we are a country that doesn't do enough to combat bullying and suicide.

    We all make mistakes in life. Not everybody has the benefit of hindsight. Many of us did stupid things at that age and when we are older. Life is all about living and learning. The girl didn't know any better and made some mistakes but not worthy of causing her life to be a living hell. 15 years with the latter her being bullyed, mocked, insulted, alone, cutting herself, trying to kill herself, wanting to be dead, and so on? That's not right. End of story.


  • #38
    JuliusCaesar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,886 ✭✭✭JuliusCaesar


    Hitting back at bullying, by bullying the bully*?

    I think not.







    *alleged bully.


  • #39
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Strangly enough, I'd actually trust Anonymous in this. I'm not saying it's right to out the guy. I'd have sent his Id along with proof to the police. But although anonymous can be right pricks, they are generally honest and do their homework.


  • #40
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's hard to know how to feel about this- while it's good that Anonymous are doing this, they have done similar, if not worse, to other people.


  • #41
    up for anything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,791 ✭✭✭up for anything


    I don't know how gospel the information on this link vice.com* is but it makes for disturbing reading. :(



    *It sounds like a NSFW link but it seems like an ordinary news magazine site (except for their NSFW tab).


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  • #42
    GalwayGuy2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,269 ✭✭✭GalwayGuy2


    I've seen that video and I get the feeling they get some sort of enjoyment out of the control they have:S


  • #43
    Brain Stroking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭Brain Stroking


    Why are people assuming Anonymous dont have the right guy? The fact that this is released means their own credibility is on the line. So i'd imagine they have done their homework?

    If they are wrong then of course they shouldnt do it.

    If they are correct, then i encourage them to be creative and make this guy suffer.


  • #44
    Sully
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,073 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    JuliusCaesar wrote: »
    Hitting back at bullying, by bullying the bully*?

    I think not.







    *alleged bully.

    Sometimes the bully needs to know how being bullied feels.


  • #45
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    It's a cause and effect thing. It's like when 4chan goes after people who post videos of animal abuse, or other hacker groups and entities like Wikileaks expose things from companies and government's.

    It happens because those who should be doing it, are not.
    If it was even remotely likely that anyone would face serious legal consequences for what they did in this case, there would be no interest in vigilantism. I reckon people are doing this because they know either (a) the person will never be caught because of either lack of effort by the authorities, or some ridiculous technicalities about evidence, or (b) that if they are caught, the law is not harsh enough on people who commit crimes like this.

    That is not to in any way justify trial by the mob, but this kind of thing is becoming so common that one has to ask why there is such a huge group of people, on and off the internet, who don't have faith in the established authorities such as the government and police to punish these people. Either it's because the law does not match what people feel it should, or because for some reason it's easier for these people to find out who did it.

    Again, I am not justifying trial by the mob, but if you take the animal abuse cases for instance, there would have been no cause for internet vigilantism had (a) the police actually tracked down the perpetrators themselves, and (b) had there been more than a slap on the wrist as punishment for those actions.


  • #46
    UCDVet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭UCDVet


    Brain Stroking wrote: »
    Why are people assuming Anonymous dont have the right guy? The fact that this is released means their own credibility is on the line. So i'd imagine they have done their homework?

    If they are wrong then of course they shouldnt do it.

    If they are correct, then i encourage them to be creative and make this guy suffer.

    Most people are cool with vigilante justice - so long as they get the right guy and dish out a 'reasonable' punishment.

    The problem is it's really, really difficult to do that. So we have legal systems where people spend years/decades learning the legal system in an attempt to be fair.


  • #47
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,424 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    Brain Stroking wrote: »
    Why are people assuming Anonymous dont have the right guy? The fact that this is released means their own credibility is on the line. So i'd imagine they have done their homework?

    If they are wrong then of course they shouldnt do it.

    If they are correct, then i encourage them to be creative and make this guy suffer.

    Because there is no anonymous that you can go out and approach. Anyone can claim the tag and there's no proper accountability with it. It's the web equivalent of an angry mob with pitch forks and if that's to be considered justice, it's a fools sense of justice.


  • #48
    Foxhound38
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    Amanda Todd was a 15 year old teenager who committed suicide recently after a campaign of hate and bullying from her peers. It's a longer story than that but that's the jist of it. Before she died she made a video on Youtube about her story and what was happening to her.

    Look at the comments - some of the nastiest, most hateful stuff you could ever read. What is wrong with some people? What could be going through their head as they are deciding to write some of this stuff? What possible buzz could they be getting off it?

    It would be interesting if someone actually caught up with and interviewed them - asked them why they wrote that stuff. They probably don't know themselves.


  • #49
    DeVore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    13 years ago I set the moderation structure up in Boards from my own personal feeling that people should be civil to each other and not "dicks". I've had 13 years of vague (or pointed) abuse for that decision and now finally people are beginning to voice similar opinions. Youtube, FB etc... are all cluster****s of abuse and snarling trolls and it makes for LESS freedom of speech rather than more.

    I still stand by Boards system, its not perfect but its a whole lot better than those free for alls.


  • #50
    afatbollix
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,214 ✭✭✭afatbollix


    The hate jokes page of that women that died in Australia Jill Meagher are disgusting. Its the first time Ive been disgusted on the internet and Ive seen it all.


  • #51
    Agricola
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,547 ✭✭✭Agricola


    This man sums it up I think...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgGxk8xFgAE


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  • #52
    mikemac1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    It would be interesting if someone actually caught up with and interviewed them - asked them why they wrote that stuff. They probably don't know themselves.

    You can ask some of the puntastic posters from Pig eats farmers thread

    Or better still Man crushed by Steamroller on orders of Chineese Officals.
    Just hilarious, spring rolls

    But then a poster made a joke about a Polish rubbish collector killed in Dublin and was ripped to pieces, multiple quotes of disgust


    There is no rule or policy

    Your post may get 100 thanks or you may be sorry you ever posted it


  • #53
    Duckworth_Luas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,746 ✭✭✭Duckworth_Luas


    The best piece of advice I was ever given was to not read the comments under Youtube videos!


  • #54
    Wanderer2010
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,743 ✭✭✭Wanderer2010


    Its not exclusive to that video, look at almost almost every video on YT, be it how to replace a flat tyre, or a blog on anxiety, and inevitably the comments descend into trolling very shortly, basically the most innocent comment can be twisted and attacked by the very many disturbed people in our world. The problem is there are a huge amount of people out there who are out of work, bored, spiteful or mentally ill and here they have access to the biggest, most anonymous (mostly) and safest way of venting their frustration and they are using it big time!

    I have seen some extremely disturbing comments from people on YT videos that seem to spark from a simple disagreement, and I would wager that most of the people who type such comments wouldnt say boo to a goose in real life. Of course a lot of them are just bad people who would use any outlet to vent their rage but in most cases they are more to be pitied. Its better to just avoid putting as much of your personal life as you can on the net and ignore any comments because unless the regulations for trolling are tightly controlled this problem will just remain..


  • #55
    frag420
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,161 ✭✭✭frag420


    Jimmy Saville is still a c*nt though eh??


  • #56
    Professey Chin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,054 ✭✭✭✭Professey Chin


    Youtube comments arent trolling. Theyre just societies dregs with a keyboard


  • #57
    Super-Rush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,473 ✭✭✭✭Super-Rush


    I think one thread about this subject is enough.

    Threads merged.


  • #58
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Super-Rush wrote: »
    I think one thread about this subject is enough.

    Threads merged.

    Wait what?
    A thread about internet vigilantism merged with a thread about youtube trolling?
    Sorry but that makes no sense, when I clicked on page 4 I was like "wtf did I accidentally go into a different thread" before I saw your post. Unmerge imo.


  • #59
    pablomakaveli
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,752 ✭✭✭pablomakaveli


    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    Amanda Todd was a 15 year old teenager who committed suicide recently after a campaign of hate and bullying from her peers. It's a longer story than that but that's the jist of it. Before she died she made a video on Youtube about her story and what was happening to her.

    Look at the comments - some of the nastiest, most hateful stuff you could ever read. What is wrong with some people? What could be going through their head as they are deciding to write some of this stuff? What possible buzz could they be getting off it?

    It would be interesting if someone actually caught up with and interviewed them - asked them why they wrote that stuff. They probably don't know themselves.

    It's simple really. Anonymity + Internet = Dickhead.

    It's surprising how cruel even a seemingly normal person can be once their on the internet.
    afatbollix wrote: »
    The hate jokes page of that women that died in Australia Jill Meagher are disgusting. Its the first time Ive been disgusted on the internet and Ive seen it all.

    There those seem to be a backlash against cases like these that get a lot of attention. Its a bit unfair on the victim since its the media that pushes the story not the victim.


  • #60
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Dravokivich wrote: »
    Because there is no anonymous that you can go out and approach. Anyone can claim the tag and there's no proper accountability with it. It's the web equivalent of an angry mob with pitch forks and if that's to be considered justice, it's a fools sense of justice.

    But your stupid if you do claim to be them and you're not afiliated with them. there was a guy who took down a charity site and Anonymous went after him.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19093495


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  • #61
    Super-Rush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,473 ✭✭✭✭Super-Rush


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Wait what?
    A thread about internet vigilantism merged with a thread about youtube trolling?
    Sorry but that makes no sense, when I clicked on page 4 I was like "wtf did I accidentally go into a different thread" before I saw your post. Unmerge imo.

    I actually realised that too late. Can't unmerge unfortunately.


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