Name and Shame Job Bridge

sunflower27 · 18-10-2012 08:34PM

Betting Shop Assistant

Based in ATHEA
Ref. INTE-717248

Description

The intern will gain practical experience in office administration, customer service and ability to deal with the public. The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following; accepting bets and payout, handling cash and general betting office duties. On completion the intern will have attained skills in customer relations, office administration, cash handling, and knowledge of the daily operations within the bookmaking industry.

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yore · 19-10-2012 02:48AM

sunflower27 wrote: »

Betting Shop Assistant

Based in ATHEA
Ref. INTE-717248

Description

The intern will gain practical experience in office administration, customer service and ability to deal with the public. The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following; accepting bets and payout, handling cash and general betting office duties. On completion the intern will have attained skills in customer relations, office administration, cash handling, and knowledge of the daily operations within the bookmaking industry.

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That's a really good internship. You know that Paddy Power announced over 600 new jobs recently right?

Your condescending, smug and contemptuous attitude isn't very nice. Lots of people work in those kinds of jobs every day. There's nothing wrong with them.

Sure if you get fed up on your FAS scheme, you can just go out to Paddy Powers and get one of those simple jobs right?

yore · 19-10-2012 02:52AM

sunflower27 wrote: »

It is €200./intern per month for either 6 or9 months.

I think there was 6,000 interns at any one time,it may have risen to 7k, can't remember.

Close enough to €1million/month for 6,000 interns.

Disgraceful... but I suppose it is a small price to pay to have the media reporting you have managed to do what FF couldn't, ie. reduce unemployment (as those interns are removed off the live register) :rolleyes:

If it was a million/month for the interns, those same interns were getting 800,000 on the dole for nothing without jobsbridge. It cost the government 50 quid a week for training those people. And i;m not cutting at you for your FAS course, but do you think it's costing the government less than 50 quid a week to have you on that rather than sitting at home doing nothing?

I've heard other solutions to this problem. How about we do away with minimum wage and halve an individuals dole every six months. If you're so worried about saving the government money.

You do also realise that most of the "logic" and "facts" that you throw out against jobsbridge could also be thrown against FAS. When you are finished your FAS scheme, will you turn against it in order to pull the ladder up behind you in the same manner that you have done for jobsbridge??

yore · 19-10-2012 02:56AM

the_syco wrote: »

The current job bridge doesn't just take on grads, but wants people that have 4 years experience managing a store, to manage a store filled with people (who are probably) getting no wage themselves. Profit to the company; lots, as they don't have to pay the staff anything.

That's bullsh1t. I await links of your many examples of internships that require 4 previous years experience in the same position (To manage stores filled of intern employees).

yore · 19-10-2012 03:01AM

sunflower27 wrote: »

Yore still up. Yore green light is on

Nope. I logged out. I don't think that light goes off straight away.

sunflower27 wrote: »

if you are unwilling to see the huge failings of this scheme and the extent of exploitation then that is up to you. Centra is only one example.If this scheme did not exist, who would be working in that shop? I imagine someone on a wage!!

Who would be working in that job? Probably not the intern. That's the point of the scheme. To give new people a start. Why can't you understand that?

sunflower27 · 19-10-2012 06:16AM

yore wrote: »

Nope. I logged out. I don't think that light goes off straight away.

Who would be working in that job? Probably not the intern. That's the point of the scheme. To give new people a start. Why can't you understand that?

Yore, I understand how internships are meant to work.

I also understand how this scheme facilitates exploitation on such a vast scale and how it is costing the taxpayer.

The site is not monitored at all. You only have to look at theinternships that getput up and then get pulled down again. Considering there was only 32 new ones yeterday, it doesn't look like it would take someone that long to sift through them.

It is not monitored and it is being exploited. Have you had a look at the scambridge site? Some interesting facts and stories on there.

My green light goes off immediately when I log out. Odd.

sunflower27 · 19-10-2012 06:30AM

yore wrote: »

If it was a million/month for the interns, those same interns were getting 800,000 on the dole for nothing without jobsbridge. It cost the government 50 quid a week for training those people. And i;m not cutting at you for your FAS course, but do you think it's costing the government less than 50 quid a week to have you on that rather than sitting at home doing nothing?

I've heard other solutions to this problem. How about we do away with minimum wage and halve an individuals dole every six months. If you're so worried about saving the government money.

You do also realise that most of the "logic" and "facts" that you throw out against jobsbridge could also be thrown against FAS. When you are finished your FAS scheme, will you turn against it in order to pull the ladder up behind you in the same manner that you have done for jobsbridge??

Yore, that €50/week ison TOP of the social welfare benefits. So that1mill is on top of the social welfare benefits they are getting..... you see?

Saving the government money? Where does the money come from?Taxpayers, yore.

My FAS scheme gives me a level 5 Fetac cert to work in the healthcare industry (nursing homes, hospitals). It is a boom industry.

No need to slate a course I beat almost 200 to get on and am very grateful for. I do not feel exploitated either, unlike jobbridge. I feel priviliged. Just so you know

intellectual dosser · 19-10-2012 06:59AM

I posted here before.

Its a good idea to have a thread naming and shaming some of the shambolic internships companies are posting via JobBridge. But these aren't reasons to conclude that the scheme has no merit at all. There are plenty of companies offering valuable work experience which interns can take to prospective employers.

Remove the idiotic internships, and it should be much easier to see the value JobBridge adds.

RacoonQueen · 19-10-2012 07:38AM

yore wrote: »

That's a really good internship. You know that Paddy Power announced over 600 new jobs recently right?

Your condescending, smug and contemptuous attitude isn't very nice. Lots of people work in those kinds of jobs every day. There's nothing wrong with them.

Sure if you get fed up on your FAS scheme, you can just go out to Paddy Powers and get one of those simple jobs right?

Exactly. Paddy powers announced 600 jobs recently and this is one job in PP's that doesn't require any previous experience or qualifications so to have a job like this up as an 'internship' isn't right. Aside from that the fact that PP's ALWAYS have retail jobs up and now someone is expected to work for free for 40 hours a week in the same job as an 'internship', presumably in a different company? A placement in a shop is not an internship. It is largely unskilled work and it is taking paid work away from the unskilled by having internships up like this

allibastor · 19-10-2012 08:10AM

I was just looking on the job bridge site in the construction field and saw a good few results for site engineers and site managers. those jobs have very little in the way of supervision and are managment level jobs, so how does an intern qualify to do that would someone tell me. some are obvious attempts to get free workers for companies that realise they dont have to pay a wage anymore.

I just applyed for the job, with a number of years in construction under my belt. lets see what they say back to me.

tomgaa · 19-10-2012 04:16PM

i can only speak for my sector construction/civil engineering, but trying to get a job in this sector with no experience regardless of masters/degree is next to impossible so for that i am grateful as im currently on job bridge. yes i think most companies could employ full time if they wanted and some are using this for free labour. but from a personal point of view.... if this fills your cv with experience and shows your willingness to learn and can get you full time time work at some stage in the future...... and if it doesnt cost you money i.e the 50€ covers costs then i think its great. what riles me is places like supermarkets, b&b, fast food joints etc offering interships. this should be used for the skilled work force who lack experience to gain full time work

ABajaninCork · 19-10-2012 04:18PM

yore wrote: »

Nothing to back up your theory then? I'm disappointed. I was expecting a dossier of "Jim Corr" facts about Bilderberg Group and lizard people and new world order

Instead of writing a load of crap, why don't you try reading some of my previous posts on this thread? TLDR: My view is that Jobbridge in theory is a good idea. I've seen several examples that are well-thought out and DO give interns the necessary skills and experience. The trouble is that far too many so-called internships are clear abuses of a system which in turn is poorly thought out, poorly policed and doesn't have robust procedures, checks and balances. I've personally seen (and reported) many 'internships' which are clearly jobs. Some of them are stupid enough to ask for experience which prospective employers ARE NOT allowed to do.

As for evidence to back up my opinion? If you bother to look, there's plenty on this thread for a kick-off. A cursory search through the local and national newspapers will doubtless turn up more.

And yes - I am no longer interested in anything you have to say. I just tune you out!

CdeC · 19-10-2012 04:25PM

motherelements wrote: »

Who do I email about obvious abuses of the job internship scheme?? A car valet position in Lusk??!!! Total abuse of vulnerable people......

Surely the people in charge of the job bridge should vet the jobs, how is that an internship???. Surely they should just say no to ads like that.

I saw a few on the site that looked quite interesting but I'm not unemployed 3 months so mightn't be able to avail of it.

ABajaninCork · 19-10-2012 04:44PM

CdeC wrote: »

Surely the people in charge of the job bridge should vet the jobs, how is that an internship???. Surely they should just say no to ads like that.

I saw a few on the site that looked quite interesting but I'm not unemployed 3 months so mightn't be able to avail of it.

You're quite right. However, for whatever reason no vetting takes place, and no sanctions are placed on employers who are shown to abuse the system.

Very depressing.

sunflower27 · 19-10-2012 06:18PM

Waiter/waitress

Based in BIRR Ref. INTE-717374Description
The intern will gain practical experience in a busy restaurant. The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following: basic food preparation, till operation, hygiene practice, restaurant service skills, meeting customers, taking food orders and learning to work as a team member. On completion the intern will have attained skills in customer service, food handling, cash handling, food service and team working.

ABajaninCork · 19-10-2012 08:44PM

sunflower: Are you reporting these?

What I do is keep the complaints department very busy reporting dodgy internships. I figure they've got to work for their daily bread, just like the rest of us!

donegal11 · 19-10-2012 08:49PM

ABajaninCork wrote: »

sunflower: Are you reporting these?

What I do is keep the complaints department very busy reporting dodgy internships. I figure they've got to work for their daily bread, just like the rest of us!

do they take them down ?

sky2424 · 19-10-2012 08:54PM

ABajaninCork wrote: »

sunflower: Are you reporting these?

What I do is keep the complaints department very busy reporting dodgy internships. I figure they've got to work for their daily bread, just like the rest of us!

Your on a crusade!

ABajaninCork · 19-10-2012 09:06PM

donegal11 wrote: »

do they take them down ?

If they're found to be in breach of the guidelines? Yes.

sky2424 wrote: »

Your on a crusade!

Not really. I find it amusing when I report the ads to note the replies saying the systems are robust and working well, blah, blah, yada, yada. Then it all goes quiet when I ask for stats...:D

ABajaninCork · 19-10-2012 09:09PM

I should state here that I haven't really been looking at the JB website lately. I've found it a waste of time having applied for several, but have been turned down every time. Reason? Not experienced enough or too experienced.

Go figure...

sky2424 · 19-10-2012 09:17PM

Im sure people wont agree with me on this and it may add fuel to the fire but have you thought about a company whos expanding, doing well (whos not opposed to hiring) and who you'd like to work for and approaching them (ideally for a job but if not) ask them to consider taking you on an unpaid jobbridge internship for 6 months.

Just an FYI but your not restricted to internships on the job bridge website. You can creat your own. Albeit it still needs to go through the job bridge process and be advertised on the site but it can be literally taken down the same day.

I have been following this thread with interest and for sure the scheme is being blatantly abused by some/alot of people but there are some decent internships out there that will give people the start they need.

You just need to be smart about what/who you apply for.

demakinz · 19-10-2012 09:27PM

Cleaning Attendant

The intern will gain practical experience in keeping a premises to a high level of hygiene and cleanliness. The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following Health & Safety and operating cleaning equipment. On completion the intern will have attained skills in team relationship skills, working on own initiative and delivering a quality service.

This is an Internship. An allowance of €50 per week will be paid in addition to your current Social Welfare payment.See eligibility criteria above.

Duration
9 Months

Hours per week: 39

This is taking the piss

ABajaninCork · 19-10-2012 09:32PM

sky2424 wrote: »

Im sure people wont agree with me on this and it may add fuel to the fire but have you thought about a company whos expanding, doing well (whos not opposed to hiring) and who you'd like to work for and approaching them (ideally for a job but if not) ask them to consider taking you on an unpaid jobbridge internship for 6 months.

Just an FYI but your not restricted to internships on the job bridge website. You can creat your own. Albeit it still needs to go through the job bridge process and be advertised on the site but it can be literally taken down the same day.

I have been following this thread with interest and for sure the scheme is being blatantly abused by some/alot of people but there are some decent internships out there that will give people the start they need.

You just need to be smart about what/who you apply for.

I totally agree with you. Unfortunately, the 'bad' internships far outweigh the good, don't you think?

sky2424 · 19-10-2012 09:34PM

ABajaninCork wrote: »

I totally agree with you. Unfortunately, the 'bad' internships far outweigh the good, don't you think?

Yeah I agree. But my point is to ignore the tripe thats posted on the site and go to a decent company and create your own internship (as opposed to restricting yourself to those advertised on job bridge).

That in itself should increase your chances as any half decent company will be impressed by your drive and determination.

yore · 20-10-2012 02:42AM

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Exactly. Paddy powers announced 600 jobs recently and this is one job in PP's that doesn't require any previous experience or qualifications so to have a job like this up as an 'internship' isn't right. Aside from that the fact that PP's ALWAYS have retail jobs up and now someone is expected to work for free for 40 hours a week in the same job as an 'internship', presumably in a different company? A placement in a shop is not an internship. It is largely unskilled work and it is taking paid work away from the unskilled by having internships up like this

You don't seem to understand the simple fact that if someone who does this internship applies for one of those jobs, and you apply for it too, then they have a huge advantage over you.

What kind of a job do you do now/do last. Just general area. Office/Service/Hospitality. Ever do a low paid job when you were younger like work on the floor of your local Tesco?

yore · 20-10-2012 02:50AM

ABajaninCork wrote: »

Instead of writing a load of crap, why don't you try reading some of my previous posts on this thread?
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As for evidence to back up my opinion? If you bother to look, there's plenty on this thread for a kick-off. A cursory search through the local and national newspapers will doubtless turn up more.

Load of crap eh? How ironic. You made a claim that jobsbridge won't end because it was manna from heaven for crooked politicians. I picked you up on it and you failed to provide an answer. Any person here can see the chain of posts by clicking on the link in the previous quote.

Actually, I'll quote them below.

The post I quoted above is a response to:

yore wrote: »

Nothing to back up your theory then? I'm disappointed. I was expecting a dossier of "Jim Corr" facts about Bilderberg Group and lizard people and new world order

Which was a response to:

ABajaninCork wrote: »

You are entitled to your opinion. I am entitled to mine. Over and out.

Which was a response to:

yore wrote: »

That's crazy conspiracy sh1te. Crooked politicians are creaming it from jobsbridge now? How so? Any concrete examples?...actually, any tinfoil-hat examples even? I'd love to know the theory behind this

You don't help your argument with crazy stuff like that. By all means have a reasoned debate but when you say stuff like that, it just makes people cringe.

Which was a response to:

ABajaninCork wrote: »

I wouldn't get too excited. This is manna from heaven for the crooked politicians and greedy employers. It is NOT going to end, trust me on that one. Sorry to be so cynical...:(

Which takes us back to the start of this particular stream:

sunflower27 wrote: »

Hi, it is all over the web. I got this off citizensinformation.ie
JobBridge, the National Internship scheme provides work experience opportunities ... The scheme started on 1 July 2011 and will be open until 30 June 2013.

'opportunities....for employers'

Can't wait for it to end

Yeah. You were right about the crap. The evidence you provided us to back up your claim about the crooked politicians creaming it is overwhelming

yore · 20-10-2012 02:55AM

sky2424 wrote: »

Im sure people wont agree with me on this and it may add fuel to the fire but have you thought about a company whos expanding, doing well (whos not opposed to hiring) and who you'd like to work for and approaching them (ideally for a job but if not) ask them to consider taking you on an unpaid jobbridge internship for 6 months.

Just an FYI but your not restricted to internships on the job bridge website. You can creat your own. Albeit it still needs to go through the job bridge process and be advertised on the site but it can be literally taken down the same day.

I have been following this thread with interest and for sure the scheme is being blatantly abused by some/alot of people but there are some decent internships out there that will give people the start they need.

You just need to be smart about what/who you apply for.

What!!!!!!!

You mean show some initiative. Get out of that. It's the governments responsibility to provide citizens with their entitlements. Citizens shouldn't have to get off their arses. The government should force the employers to come in and give them a job commensurate with the citizen's own sense of self-importance!

You have it all wrong. It's the man that's conspiring to keep them down.

yore · 20-10-2012 03:10AM

sunflower27 wrote: »

Waiter/waitress

Based in BIRR Ref. INTE-717374Description
The intern will gain practical experience in a busy restaurant. The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following: basic food preparation, till operation, hygiene practice, restaurant service skills, meeting customers, taking food orders and learning to work as a team member. On completion the intern will have attained skills in customer service, food handling, cash handling, food service and team working.

demakinz wrote: »

This is taking the piss

I'll probably get warned for this but you're all a shower of condescending snobs. Smirking an sneering at perfectly decent jobs because you think you are all above them.

You should realise that the scheme was not designed with you and only you in mind. You aren't really that important in reality outside of your own heads. You think that a particular job is "beneath" you, then you sneer at it. You try to justify it by saying that it's taking what would otherwise be a paid job. Yet you all claim to be in favour of internships in general. In other words that if there's one that you be at your mighty level, then that's fine. it probably never crosses your mind that for that internship at "your level" there are probably many many qualified people on the dole who are looking down at that internship as a piece of piss and saying it should be scrapped.

Just keep moaning and blaming everyone else for your own failings, while at the same time being happy to collect your dole money every week along with your rent cheque and medical card.

And whatever you do, make sure you that you try to stop any scheme that might give someone less lazy and with a bit of pride and initiative a chance at a start. You don't want them to be passing you by and weakening your wailings about that self-righteous beal bocht.

yore · 20-10-2012 03:12AM

ABajaninCork wrote: »

sunflower: Are you reporting these?

What I do is keep the complaints department very busy reporting dodgy internships. I figure they've got to work for their daily bread, just like the rest of us!

That's sad. You must have little to be doing. That is a perfectly good and honest internship for someone.

yore · 20-10-2012 03:22AM

sunflower27 wrote: »

Yore, that €50/week ison TOP of the social welfare benefits. So that1mill is on top of the social welfare benefits they are getting..... you see?

I stand corrected. Your figure was for one million a month for 6000 people. I should have said that instead of getting 4 million into their hands, those people are now getting 5 million and training.

sunflower27 wrote: »

Saving the government money? Where does the money come from?Taxpayers, yore.

My FAS scheme gives me a level 5 Fetac cert to work in the healthcare industry (nursing homes, hospitals). It is a boom industry.

No need to slate a course I beat almost 200 to get on and am very grateful for. I do not feel exploitated either, unlike jobbridge. I feel priviliged. Just so you know

And yet you don't see the irony that the government is paying to train you up so that you can work in that boom industry at zero cost to that industry or your future employer. Despite the fact that there are thousands of Level 8 degree holders coming out of colleges from nursing/physio/OT/SLT etc. who can't get work. None of them with your attitude wouldn't wipe their arses with a Level 5 Fetac cert. and yet there is the government, subsidising an industry that would otherwise have to take these people on for a few months and train them before they become productive :rolleyes:

Basically, your attitude is that it's grand for the government to provide training for you but not for others.

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