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Plan to build $84 million Super Mosque in Dublin Ireland.

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  • #482
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    ice man75 wrote: »
    Yes It's a fact and & wait till you find out what NAMA are doing for them so they bought the land

    I didn't ask whether it was a fact or not, I asked if you had a source for the statement. Do you? And if so, please provide it.


  • #483
    ice man75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 62 ✭✭ice man75


    It's true all right I can't say where the info is from as I like having a job. But maybe if you checked the land register you might find something.


  • #484
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    ice man75 wrote: »
    It's true all right I can't say where the info is from as I like having a job. But maybe if you checked the land register you might find something.

    You made the claim, it's for you to provide the evidence. With no evidence, its just anecdotal and of no import to the discussion.


  • #485
    MrD012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 113 ✭✭MrD012


    Frank Grimes wrote: »
    I don't know but they have to be built somewhere, or are you implying that there's some sort of critical mass of Muslims needed in an area before a mosque can be built?

    well yes , if the mosque is going to be in a residential area where the existing population is quite diverse , surely any large scale development should be built to suit the needs of the existing population rather than a minority group within that population unless the idea is to attract an influx of muslim settlers .

    Frank Grimes wrote: »
    The size and demographics of the Muslim population here is entirely different to the UK, you are not comparing like with like.

    the impact of Islamic culture when it meets western culture has the same effects regardless of the numbers , also numbers grow , the greater the facilites in place , the more attractive the destination will be , when you go on your holidays you will choose a destination that has the best facilites , these destinations are always the busiest.


  • #486
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    ice man75 wrote: »
    Yes It's a fact and & wait till you find out what NAMA are doing for them so they bought the land

    Ooooh. I'm all ears, now.

    Tell us. I'm all a quivering.


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  • #487
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    MrD012 wrote: »
    well yes , if the mosque.......... the busiest.

    I asked you a number of questions here
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=81274232&postcount=460

    Could you please revert to me with some answers please?


  • #488
    MrD012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 113 ✭✭MrD012


    Lucy and Harry wrote: »
    They have to pray somewhere

    Nobody is stopping anybody from praying , in fact the Clonskeagh mosque is quite large and more than adequate to meet the demand.


  • #489
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    ice man75 wrote: »
    Don't be such a lazy PC correct arm chair poster. Do you want me to come around and feed you?
    Take it what ever way you want
    Of all the posters on this topic I'm the only 1 who even bothered to view the drawings and the reports in the planning file.
    So when you get a look at the development you can come back to me with your opinion until the you are just talking PC cr@p about religion

    It's Fintan time

    We have now reached the point where every goon with a grievance, every bitter bigot, merely has to place the prefix, 'I know this is not politically correct, but...' in front of the usual string of insults in order to be not just safe from criticism, but actually a card, a lad, even a hero. Conversely, to talk about poverty and inequality, to draw attention to the reality that discrimination and injustice are still facts of life, is to commit the sin of political correctness. Anti-PC has become the latest cover for creeps. It is a godsend for every curmudgeon and crank, from fascists to the merely smug.


  • #490
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,556 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    MrD012 wrote: »
    well yes , if the mosque is going to be in a residential area where the existing population is quite diverse , surely any large scale development should be built to suit the needs of the existing population rather than a minority group within that population unless the idea is to attract an influx of muslim settlers .
    Well that's why we have a planning process, just saying it should not be built because there isn't enough of them around isn't really a reason not to build it there.
    the impact of Islamic culture when it meets western culture has the same effects regardless of the numbers , also numbers grow , the greater the facilites in place , the more attractive the destination will be , when you go on your holidays you will choose a destination that has the best facilites , these destinations are always the busiest.
    More lazy generalisations, thanks.


  • #491
    ice man75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 62 ✭✭ice man75


    old hippy wrote: »

    It's Fintan time

    We have now reached the point where every goon with a grievance, every bitter bigot, merely has to place the prefix, 'I know this is not politically correct, but...' in front of the usual string of insults in order to be not just safe from criticism, but actually a card, a lad, even a hero. Conversely, to talk about poverty and inequality, to draw attention to the reality that discrimination and injustice are still facts of life, is to commit the sin of political correctness. Anti-PC has become the latest cover for creeps. It is a godsend for every curmudgeon and crank, from fascists to the merely smug.

    Ya wha??
    Old hippy did you view the plans?


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  • #492
    MrD012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 113 ✭✭MrD012


    Mickey Dazzler wrote: »
    I am an apartment owner in Clongriffin.

    I really don't know how to feel but I am leaning on the positive side. Feck it!! Whats the worst that could happen?

    when you say you are an apartment owner , do you rent out an apartment to somebody else or do you actually live there ?


  • #493
    MrD012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 113 ✭✭MrD012


    Frank Grimes wrote: »
    Well that's why we have a planning process, just saying it should not be built because there isn't enough of them around isn't really a reason not to build it there.

    Actually it is a reason , because why would you want to build it in the first place if there were not many muslims there , why not build something that caters for the entire community as a whole ? I mean in that case , why not build a Jewish Synagogue or a Kingdom Hall


  • #494
    Scofflaw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    ice_man75, keep it civil, please.

    moderately,
    Scofflaw


  • #495
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,556 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    ice man75 wrote: »
    Nodin Don't be such a lazy PC correct arm chair poster. Do you want me to come around and feed you?
    Take it what ever way you want
    Of all the posters on this topic I'm the only 1 who even bothered to view the drawings and the reports in the planning file.
    So when you get a look at the development you can come back to me with your opinion until the you are just talking PC cr@p about religion
    There's enough information on the application online to get a good idea of what's being proposed without even looking at the drawings. I'll take a look through the documentation when it goes online; however the fact of having viewed these documents does not mean it's ok to post unverifiable information and then accuse anyone who asks for evidence as spouting 'pc crap' or whatever it is you think people are doing.


  • #496
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,556 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    MrD012 wrote: »
    Actually it is a reason , because why would you want to build it in the first place if there were not many muslims there , why not want to build something that caters for the entire community as a whole ? I mean in that case , why not build a Jewish Synagogue
    There are more Muslims in Dublin/Ireland than Jews would be the main reason.


  • #497
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,556 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    MrD012 wrote: »
    Nobody is stopping anybody from praying , in fact the Clonskeagh mosque is quite large and more than adequate to meet the demand.
    It's quite obviously not adequate given the amount of other mosques and prayer rooms that are located around the city, and now this proposed mosque.


  • #498
    MrD012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 113 ✭✭MrD012


    Frank Grimes wrote: »
    There are more Muslims in Dublin/Ireland than Jews would be the main reason.

    so you agree , the mosque is to encourage muslims from around Ireland to settle there.


  • #499
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,556 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    MrD012 wrote: »
    so you agree , the mosque is to encourage muslims from around Ireland to settle there.
    That's not what I said, please don't try to ascribe your own to opinion onto what I'm saying.


  • #500
    MrD012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 113 ✭✭MrD012


    Scofflaw wrote: »
    ice_man75, keep it civil, please.

    moderately,
    Scofflaw

    why are only the people against the mosque being reprimanded


  • #501
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    MrD012 wrote: »
    so you agree , the mosque is to encourage muslims from around Ireland to settle there.

    Is there some reason you can't reply to these questions?
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=81274232&postcount=460


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  • #502
    golden lane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭golden lane


    a nation, within a nation.....with dubious loyalty.....


  • #503
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    golden lane wrote: »
    a nation, within a nation.....with dubious loyalty.....

    The same sectarian bile thrown at catholics, protestants and Jews throughout the ages.


  • #504
    Scofflaw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    MrD012 wrote: »
    why are only the people against the mosque being reprimanded

    Because they are the ones breaching the rules of the forum. Specifically, they're usually breaking either this one:

    1. be civil to other posters, attack the post and not the poster

    or this one:

    2. don't argue/discuss moderation on thread - do it by PM.

    moderately,
    Scofflaw


  • #505
    ice man75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 62 ✭✭ice man75


    Frank Grimes wrote: »
    There's enough information on the application online to get a good idea of what's being proposed without even looking at the drawings. I'll take a look through the documentation when it goes online; however the fact of having viewed these documents does not mean it's ok to post unverifiable information and then accuse anyone who asks for evidence as spouting 'pc crap' or whatever it is you think people are doing.


    So Frank,
    If that's the case why bother with drawings??
    There's a lot more information in the file like
    EIS reports, method statements

    That's unverified I assume..
    I told you where you could find the info about lands for phase 2 & 3
    But sure just wait and see
    I'm NOT coming at this proposed development from a religious view I'm looking at it from a practical view point.
    The planners in dcc have made so many mistakes in the past what's changed there?
    And as for me saying what I said about dorin I do think he and a lot of people on this topic are only looking at this from a religious view point.

    Which to be politically correct is wrong.


  • #506
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,556 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    Nodin wrote: »
    The same sectarian bile thrown at catholics, protestants and Jews throughout the ages.
    But this time it's ok. Any dissent is obviously just pc gone mad etc.


  • #507
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    ice man75 wrote: »
    So Frank,
    If that's the case why bother with (......) correct is wrong.

    He can't argue something that he can't access.

    Any plan that has been submitted has yet to be approved.


  • #508
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,556 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    ice man75 wrote: »
    So Frank,
    If that's the case why bother with drawings??
    There's a lot more information in the file like
    EIS reports, method statements

    That's unverified I assume..
    I know what other sort of information is contained in planning applications, I never said that was unverified - I was referring to your other post about vague future plans.
    And as for me saying what I said about dorin I do think he and a lot of people on this topic are only looking at this from a religious view point.

    Which to be politically correct is wrong.
    Other people are making this into the usual 'the Muslims are coming' type hysteria - that's why some people (including me) are taking issue with those posts. I have no problem with (nor have I made any objections to posts containing these types of objections) people who are taking issue with the proposal from a practical perspective e.g. insufficient parking etc.

    What I do take issue with is that it's some sort of conspiracy to attract Muslims worldwide to live in Clongriffin and implement Shari'a law there or whatever the baseless accusation against Muslims of the day is.


  • #509
    Scofflaw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    golden lane wrote:
    nice to see your attempt at making an informed statement......

    maybe, you will succeed soon.....

    Please don't bother to post this kind of stuff. It will lead to infractions and then bans quite quickly.

    moderately,
    Scofflaw


  • #510
    ice man75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 62 ✭✭ice man75


    Mr012 I'm not against this development just the scale of it ( when all 3 phases are compete) .


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  • #511
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,881 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Frank Grimes wrote: »

    What I do take issue with is that it's some sort of conspiracy to attract Muslims worldwide to live in Clongriffin and implement Shari'a law there or whatever the baseless accusation against Muslims of the day is.

    Well, only the Muslims can know this. Maybe it is the start of the Muslims' plans to change the face of Ireland. Maybe it will lead to major conflict. We have no evidence yet here in Ireland, but looking at other countries, which we are entitled to do, it seems that it's quite a possiblity that it could lead to conflict.


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