The Bible, Creationism, and Prophecy (part 2)

systemsready · 15-10-2012 03:04PM

shizz wrote: »

What you dont seem to understand is that there are boards in place to make sure that claims are sound and verifiable. This means we dont have to spend years ourselves individually trying to replicate results so that we can all understand and believe claims.

So no, it isnt blind following.

Boards ! LOL..thick, short planks?

systemsready · 15-10-2012 03:09PM

Sin City wrote: »

Again seriously? Beauty? Thats what your saying. Beauty is subjective. Some people find beauty in things that others do not. So me not finding the same beauty in a sunset that my "friend" does isnt strange and perfectly natural. We are all different etc.

It may be perfectly natural, but you never think to ask why this is so?
Can you give me any reason why one person would find a sunset fascinating and another person would find it unimpressive? Its abstract we know..but do play along.

systemsready · 15-10-2012 03:12PM

Sin City wrote: »

Solomon wanted to cut a baby in half, you think that was wise?

Again quoting the bible to make God more real is an epic fail

So for you its not true then...you are saying Solomon was not wise?

Has the sun risen from the west today?

systemsready · 15-10-2012 03:24PM

Zombrex wrote: »

God's existence has no purpose since he has always existed and thus could not have been given purpose by something else. [/B])

So you agree that the purpose of a created thing lies always with the creator of that thing. The thing created can have no say in its purpose for being created. So the concept of purpose can only exist for things that are created.
It cannot apply to something other than a created thing.

maguffin · 15-10-2012 03:31PM

systemsready wrote: »

So for you its not true then...you are saying Solomon was not wise?

Has the sun risen from the west today?

So you would accept wisdom from solomon..eh!...

The Bible credits Solomon as the builder of the First Temple in Jerusalem, and portrays him as great in wisdom, wealth, and power, but ultimately as a king whose sin, including idolatry and turning away from Yahweh (your god), leads to the kingdom being torn in two during the reign of his son Rehoboam. Also...According to the Bible, Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines. The wives are described as foreign princesses, including Pharoah's daughter and women of Moab, Ammon, Sidon and of the Hitttites.

The phrase 'couldn't keep it in his pants' comes to mind!!!

Go ahead...ask of his wisdom!!

systemsready · 15-10-2012 03:38PM

maguffin wrote: »

So you would accept wisdom from solomon..eh!...

The Bible credits Solomon as the builder of the First Temple in Jerusalem, and portrays him as great in wisdom, wealth, and power, but ultimately as a king whose sin, including idolatry and turning away from Yahweh (your god), leads to the kingdom being torn in two during the reign of his son Rehoboam. Also...According to the Bible, Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines. The wives are described as foreign princesses, including Pharoah's daughter and women of Moab, Ammon, Sidon and of the Hitttites.

The phrase 'couldn't keep it in his pants' comes to mind!!!

Go ahead...ask of his wisdom!!

You sound a bit jealous there. I cant say I blame you. Us minions can look on in awe at the great people of the world. Show me any great man that hasn't made a mistake or two. Nevertheless, his wisdom far outweighs yours or mine and that's what is acknowledged when we say "The Wisdom of Solomon". No one says the 'Perfection of Solomon'..because no human being can be perfect.

maguffin · 15-10-2012 03:51PM

systemsready wrote: »

You sound a bit jealous there. I cant say I blame you. Us minions can look on in awe at the great people of the world. Show me any great man that hasn't made a mistake or two. Nevertheless, his wisdom far outweighs yours or mine and that's what is acknowledged when we say "The Wisdom of Solomon". No one says the 'Perfection of Solomon'..because no human being can be perfect.

You abviously didn't read my post a page or so back...if you did you would have seen that I am free of all the constraints that bind you...so I am perfectly happy both in and with my life, which is FULL of meaning and Spirituality.

I can also, truthfully say, that I have never been jealous of anyone or thing in my life!!

Solomon made about...1000 mistakes there, I'd say,wouldn't you??

systemsready · 15-10-2012 03:57PM

maguffin wrote: »

You abviously didn't read my post a page or so back...if you did you would have seen that I am free of all the constraints that bind you...so I am perfectly happy both in and with my life, which is FULL of meaning and Spirituality.

I can also, truthfully say, that I have never been jealous of anyone or thing in my life!!

Solomon made about...500 mistakes there, I'd say,wouldn't you??

So he had 700 wives (princesses no less) and 300 concubines. And you say that he made about 500 mistakes including the rendering of the kingdom and the bit of idol worship that every man falls into sometimes in his life (unless you say you never did). So a 1000 women, take away 3 or 4 big blunders and your saying 500 mistakes...that leaves 496 women that were not mistakes?
Why is it ok to have 496 women and not 1000?

maguffin · 15-10-2012 04:00PM

systemsready wrote: »

So he had 700 wives (princesses no less) and 300 concubines. And you say that he made about 500 mistakes including the rendering of the kingdom and the bit of idol worship that every man falls into sometimes in his life (unless you say you never did). So a 1000 women, take away 3 or 4 big blunders and your saying 500 mistakes...that leaves 496 women that were not mistakes?
Why is it ok to have 496 women and not 1000?

It was edited, but you didn't check!!

systemsready · 15-10-2012 04:02PM

maguffin wrote: »

It was edited, but you didn't check!!

You never expect people to go back on what they say.

Anyway lets say a 1000 mistakes..why? Was he wrong to have many wives?
How many should he have had in your estimation?

shizz · 15-10-2012 07:40PM

systemsready wrote: »

Boards ! LOL..thick, short planks?

Ah an ad hominem, nice.

Zombrex · 15-10-2012 08:11PM

systemsready wrote: »

So you agree that the purpose of a created thing lies always with the creator of that thing.

The purpose for creating something lies with the person who created it, if the thing was created by an intelligence. If God created us he created us for a purpose.

But then that isn't the issue. The issue is that you said that if we were not created for a purpose, if we were created natural by some process such as biological evolution, then our lives have no meaning because we can only have meaning if we were created for a purpose, and everything we do is meaningless.

God was not created for a purpose, in fact he was not created at all and thus under your logic God is meaningless and anything he does is meaningless.

Let me put it plainly so even you can understand

You said anything that was not created for a purpose is meaningless and everything it does is meaningless. God was not created for a purpose therefore God is meaningless and everything he does is meaningless.

Your logic.

You keep ignoring this point, deflecting instead to irrelevant things. Can I take that as an acknowledgement that you admit your mistake? If not can you deal with the point at hand rather than simply deflecting.

systemsready · 15-10-2012 08:50PM

Zombrex wrote: »

God was not created for a purpose, in fact he was not created at all and thus under your logic God is meaningless and anything he does is meaningless.

Let me put it plainly so even you can understand

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I hope you save this quote and look at it again in about 10 years time. You cannot see it now.
I repeat:
"So you agree that the purpose of a created thing lies always with the creator of that thing. The thing created can have no say in its purpose for being created. So the concept of purpose can only exist for things that are created.
It cannot apply to something other than a created thing."

That quote will haunt you or change you, or both.

Zombrex · 15-10-2012 08:53PM

systemsready wrote: »

I hope you save this quote and look at it again in about 10 years time. You cannot see it now.
I repeat:
"So you agree that the purpose of a created thing lies always with the creator of that thing. The thing created can have no say in its purpose for being created. So the concept of purpose can only exist for things that are created.
It cannot apply to something other than a created thing."

That quote will haunt you or change you, or both.

You, again, didnt answer the question. Do you admit under your own logic that you life has no meaning since it was created by a meaningless being?

systemsready · 15-10-2012 08:55PM

shizz wrote: »

Ah an ad hominem, nice.

No..ad hominem cannot be used in this circumstance.

systemsready · 15-10-2012 08:58PM

Zombrex wrote: »

You, again, didnt answer the question. Do you admit under your own logic that you life has no meaning since it was created by a meaningless being?

Its over Zombrex..go and have a cup of camomile tea or something.

Monty Burnz · 15-10-2012 10:12PM

systemsready wrote: »

You sound a bit jealous there. I cant say I blame you. Us minions can look on in awe at the great people of the world. Show me any great man that hasn't made a mistake or two.

Or 699 plus 300. :rolleyes:

Monty Burnz · 15-10-2012 10:13PM

systemsready wrote: »

You never expect people to go back on what they say.

Like your god? He's done that a few times.

Zombrex · 15-10-2012 10:29PM

systemsready wrote: »

Its over Zombrex..go and have a cup of camomile tea or something.

It is a simple question, are you refusing to answer it?

Gerry T · 16-10-2012 12:04AM

Its difficult keeping up with this post, what I struggle with is the notion that God knows everything, its easier to understand that he can do everything. So if he knows everything then he knows i'm writing this message, "hairy peanut" -- crap he probably knew I was going to write that !!
So if he knows the future then he knows what we are going to do, next year, the year after and so on until we wipe ourselves out. So why then does he let us hurt and torture each other, before he created us he knows thats what we will do, so why does he create us, is it so he can round up the rule breakers and put them into a pit of fire and pain for eternity -- is he that strict, would he not after a couple of thousand years say to all those tortured souls, enough pain and suffering, but from what we are told nope, there you stay for eternity ?? doesn't sound like a nice person to me ? why not short circuit the whole thing and just put all the rule breakers into hell now, including the ones that have to be born in the future ?

systemsready · 16-10-2012 06:29AM

Gerry T wrote: »

Its difficult keeping up with this post, what I struggle with is the notion that God knows everything, its easier to understand that he can do everything. So if he knows everything then he knows i'm writing this message, "hairy peanut" -- crap he probably knew I was going to write that !!
So if he knows the future then he knows what we are going to do, next year, the year after and so on until we wipe ourselves out. So why then does he let us hurt and torture each other, before he created us he knows thats what we will do, so why does he create us, is it so he can round up the rule breakers and put them into a pit of fire and pain for eternity -- is he that strict, would he not after a couple of thousand years say to all those tortured souls, enough pain and suffering, but from what we are told nope, there you stay for eternity ?? doesn't sound like a nice person to me ? why not short circuit the whole thing and just put all the rule breakers into hell now, including the ones that have to be born in the future ?

If you adhere to the evolution theory that all this is the result of chance and that everything is evolving, developing, becoming more sophisticated, the same question would be... Towards what? Perfection? And never reaching perfection? And then maybe annihilation for the species, followed by replacement with a more sophisticated species? Why? What would be the point of that?

If God is the Creator, then obviously He created Time...and therefore is not subject to time..meaning He sees tomorrow and for Him the concept of waiting cannot exist. So the beginning and the end are known to him.

And the people of hell will cry out, "We know why we are here!" (because they passed through this earthly experience, if they had not passed through the earthly experience they could justifiably say.."Why are we here? We are innocent!"

Many will find a way out by the Mercy of God if there be an atoms weight of good in them, but some will never get out because of not even a atom of good lies in them.

There is much more to our existence , the unseen is just that..unseen. Only the heart sees the unseen.
You would do well to save your self.

systemsready · 16-10-2012 06:32AM

Zombrex wrote: »

It is a simple question, are you refusing to answer it?

The question was answered , but you haven't been able to absorb it.

systemsready · 16-10-2012 06:34AM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Like your god? He's done that a few times.

God is constant always.

systemsready · 16-10-2012 06:36AM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Or 699 plus 300. :rolleyes:

You mean having more than 1 wife is a mistake? But Abraham and Jacob and many of the Prophets had more than 1 wife.

maguffin · 16-10-2012 07:48AM

systemsready wrote: »

You mean having more than 1 wife is a mistake? But Abraham and Jacob and many of the Prophets had more than 1 wife.

Gen.2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Dt.17:17 Neither shall he multiply wives to himself.

Mt.19:4-5 Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh.

Mt.19:9 Whosoever shall put away his wife, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Mk.10:11 Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.

1 Cor.7:2 Let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

Eph.5:33 Let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband

systemsready · 16-10-2012 09:21AM

maguffin wrote: »

Dt.17:17 Neither shall he multiply wives to himself.

Dt.17:17
The king, moreover, must not acquire great numbers of horses for himself or make the people return to Egypt to get more of them, for the Lord has told you, “You are not to go back that way again.” 17 He must not take many wives, or his heart will be led astray. He must not accumulate large amounts of silver and gold.

So according to your interpretation of this verse the king is only allowed to have 1 horse also?

systemsready · 16-10-2012 09:24AM

systemsready · 16-10-2012 09:31AM

maguffin wrote: »

Gen.2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

he Man said,
“Finally! Bone of my bone,
flesh of my flesh!
Name her Woman
for she was made from Man.”
Therefore a man leaves his father and mother and embraces his wife. They become one flesh.
The two of them, the Man and his Wife, were naked, but they felt no shame.

You misinterpret that completely. Context.

PopePalpatine · 16-10-2012 09:31AM

systemsready wrote: »

Dt.17:17
The king, moreover, must not acquire great numbers of horses for himself or make the people return to Egypt to get more of them, for the Lord has told you, “You are not to go back that way again.” 17 He must not take many wives, or his heart will be led astray. He must not accumulate large amounts of silver and gold.

So according to your interpretation of this verse the king is only allowed to have 1 horse also?

Ah, Deuteronomy. The book which says that I can't wear clothes made from more than one type of fibre. :rolleyes:

maguffin · 16-10-2012 09:32AM

systemsready wrote: »

Dt.17:17
The king, moreover, must not acquire great numbers of horses for himself or make the people return to Egypt to get more of them, for the Lord has told you, “You are not to go back that way again.” 17 He must not take many wives, or his heart will be led astray. He must not accumulate large amounts of silver and gold.

So according to your interpretation of this verse the king is only allowed to have 1 horse also?

I have no need to interpret...it is of no concern to me. I merely presented some quotes for you (and others) in response to your previous reply to another poster.
You may interpret as you will....but it does not mean that your interpretation is superior/more correct than anyone else's.

The Bible, Creationism, and Prophecy (part 2)

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