cannot sing or will not sing the anthem?

13-10-2012 12:30AM

My name is URL wrote: »

Well with your narrow minded views on what the definition of nationality is; how could you possible be wrong?

It's not my definition, narrow-minded or otherwise.
Tyrone is in Northern Ireland. Fact.
Cork is in The Republic of Ireland. Fact.
The Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland share the same land mass, but have different currencies, flags, national football teams, governments etc. and yes, national anthems.
Of course there are strong links between the two that only a fool would deny.
As this thread has a sporting theme, I know there's an island of Ireland rugby team, I know that Derry City were given permission to play in The League of Ireland, yes because their club was hounded out of Northern Ireland by loyalist sectarianism.
Believe me when I tell you I'm aware of these things and more besides, but, but, but,
The Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland are recognised by all major international organisations as being two separate countries. FACT.

K-9 · 13-10-2012 12:35AM

9959 wrote: »

It's not my definition, narrow-minded or otherwise.
Tyrone is in Northern Ireland. Fact.
Cork is in The Republic of Ireland. Fact.
The Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland share the same land mass, but have different currencies, flags, national football teams, governments etc. and yes, national anthems.
Of course there are strong links between the two that only a fool would deny.
As this thread has a sporting theme, I know there's an island of Ireland rugby team, I know that Derry City were given permission to play in The League of Ireland, yes because their club was hounded out of Northern Ireland by loyalist sectarianism.
Believe me when I tell you I'm aware of these things and more besides, but, but, but,
The Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland are recognised by all major international organisations as being two separate countries. FACT.

Boxing, Rugby, Hockey? You seem to know a little but not a lot.

Seanchai · 13-10-2012 12:46AM

9959 wrote: »

It's not my definition, narrow-minded or otherwise.
Tyrone is in Northern Ireland. Fact.
Cork is in The Republic of Ireland. Fact.
The Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland share the same land mass, but have different currencies, flags, national football teams, governments etc. and yes, national anthems.
Of course there are strong links between the two that only a fool would deny.
As this thread has a sporting theme, I know there's an island of Ireland rugby team, I know that Derry City were given permission to play in The League of Ireland, yes because their club was hounded out of Northern Ireland by loyalist sectarianism.
Believe me when I tell you I'm aware of these things and more besides, but, but, but,
The Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland are recognised by all major international organisations as being two separate countries. FACT.

That's some chip on your shoulder. Unfortunately for you, the vast majority of Irish people in the world accept that an Irish person from Tyrone has as much right to an Irish identity as has an Irish person from Cork. It is not only enshrined in the Constitution of the state named Ireland but it is accepted and enshrined in international law since the Belfast Agreement of April 1998. In other words, the right to Irishness of 800,000 Irish citizens living under British occupation in the northeast of this country is internationally and constitutionally protected.

As has been said to you already, you really need to get to a minimum standard of education before attempting to discuss Irish history and politics. Your ignorance is frightening.

Seanchai · 13-10-2012 12:49AM

Oh, and "Northern Ireland" isn't recognised as a "country" by "all major international organisations" because, well, it would be patently stupid to call the settler-colonial remnant of Britain's Irish colony a "country" when educated people know it's a sectarian herrenvolk secessionary statelet of the country of Ireland.

At most, it's a region of what the British are these days calling the "United Kingdom" state.

GoldenLight · 13-10-2012 03:02AM

I have never known or will sing our national athem,

I will stand for it, I don't actually know it (do to me not being able to remember words (including my own songs/poems), and I can't actually sing.

So I might hum it but I have never sang my countries national athem.

But this is somewhere I love with my heart.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 13-10-2012 03:34AM

Seanchai wrote: »

Oh, and "Northern Ireland" isn't recognised as a "country" by "all major international organisations" because, well, it would be patently stupid to call the settler-colonial remnant of Britain's Irish colony a "country" when educated people know it's a sectarian herrenvolk secessionary statelet of the country of Ireland.

At most, it's a region of what the British are these days calling the "United Kingdom" state.

FIFA recognise it as a country don't they. As do the European and American Golf tours, along with darts PDC and BDO.

Whether you like it or not it is a country and the majority in the Republic respect that, we don't want those counties back just like Westminster doesn't want to keep them. It doesn't mean that somebody living in the North can't identify themselves with the south.

yore · 13-10-2012 04:36AM

Allyson Dirty Prism wrote: »

I wouldn't sing it, means nothing to me.

Where are you from? If Ireland, do you have an Irish passport? Does a little bit of you die every time you see that golden harp on the front and you remember your, ironically very 'Irish', self loathing

Rasheed · 13-10-2012 04:55AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I predict a one nil loss to the mighty Faroe Islands on Tuesday. This will result in Trap's release and full payment of remainder of contract. He'll then retire to Italy and see out his days drinking fine wine, toasting the FAI and DOB for being gullible enough to pay him what they did.

See, I don't get this mentality that Trap is somehow making an eeijit of the Irish for paying him so much.

Has this feeling only come about since the Euros? Has he not doe the best he could?

He's not exactly working with a huge pool of talent, in fairness.

Xavi6 · 13-10-2012 05:06AM

It's a super tune to be fair and is great for getting yourself pumped before a game. Second only to Uruguay for the best anthem imo.

I learnt the words at the Gaeltacht and am glad I did even though I'm far from being a patriot.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 13-10-2012 05:09AM

Rasheed wrote: »

See, I don't get this mentality that Trap is somehow making an eeijit of the Irish for paying him so much.

Has this feeling only come about since the Euros? Has he not doe the best he could?

He's not exactly working with a huge pool of talent, in fairness.

Yes true its not entirely Trap's fault, he's a savy businessman who got himself a great deal by playing up to fcuking jackasses like that horse faced boy John Delaney. Also he did qualify an average team to the Euros which can't be taken away from him. However in regards to the team like you alluded to, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

meoklmrk91 · 13-10-2012 05:27AM

I was on a night out with the leads in college a few months back, we were all flaming and somebody said sing the national anthem, after the first line I was left completely on my own. Apparently none of them learned it, and most of these are corkonians! I learned it in primary school, 5th or 6th class if I remember correctly. Haven't the slightest idea what it means as I never took to Irish but my mother has it and the English translation framed in our sitting room so I have a gawk at it from time to time. Until she put it up I didn't know that we only sing the first verse, there is way more to it.

All in all I actually think its a class national anthem, very rousing, many other countries are seriously boring in comparison. I happily belt it out when called upon. Much better than Ireland's call, I hate hearing that, we already had a great national anthem, we don't need that shoite.

getzls · 13-10-2012 05:54AM

K-9 wrote: »

Boxing, Rugby, Hockey? You seem to know a little but not a lot.

Don't forget about bowls:cool:

Is it only Unionist posters you Mods pick on?

Ah, yes.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 13-10-2012 06:11AM

Oireland Oireland!! A fcuking embarrassment.. Lads's if you don't want our anthem played run along and form your own team, the Ulster lineup minus the foreigners. See how you get along, still probably finish above the Paddies. :pac:

LOL, I love Gerry Thornley and his green tinted propaganda machine. That fella could write for Pravda.

13-10-2012 08:49AM

K-9 wrote: »

Boxing, Rugby, Hockey? You seem to know a little but not a lot.

I did mention Rugby in my post, of which you must have read a little but not the lot.
I'm aware of the situation in Boxing (big fan) and Hockey (not a big fan).
I'm also aware of the situations in other sports but thought my post was lengthy enough without banging-on further.
You failed to mention that other great Irish sport which is ably represented by an All -Ireland team, Cricket! (Doubtless our friend from 'Beal Feariste' is a huge fan).
Granted, on sport you know a little but not a lot.

2 + 2 = 4
The world is not flat.
Northern Ireland is a country.

getzls · 13-10-2012 09:10AM

9959 wrote: »

I did mention Rugby in my post, of which you must have read a little but not the lot.
I'm aware of the situation in Boxing (big fan) and Hockey (not a big fan).
I'm also aware of the situations in other sports but thought my post was lentghty enough without banging-on further.
You failed to mention that other great Irish sport which is ably represented by an All -Ireland team, Cricket! (Doubtless our friend from 'Beal Feariste' is a huge fan).
Granted, on sport you know a little but not a lot.

2 + 2 = 4
The world is not flat.
Northern Ireland is a country.

Ignore him, has a bit of a track record against Unionists.

13-10-2012 09:21AM

getzls wrote: »

Ignore him, has a bit of a track record against Unionists.

Thanks I think, but I wouldn't regard myself as a Unionist.
I'm just sickened by the carnage that all this hatred has brought us and will bring us again if we're not vigilant.
How many more 'Bloody Sunday's?
How many more 'Warringtons'?

iguana · 13-10-2012 09:25AM

I thought it was pretty odd how when Katie Taylor got her medal at the Olympics the whole crowd was able to sing the anthem in full. It was remarked upon by the British tv presenters that it was one of the best and most whole hearted renditions of an anthem at the entire games. I can only imagine that between the announcement that she'd won and the medal giving ceremony, all the Irish fans had pulled the lyrics up on their smartphones and silently practised fitting them in with the tune.

mattser · 13-10-2012 09:26AM

What a joy to sit through a match and not have to listen to that " Low lie the fields " ****e. Id take a 6-1 hammering any day to avoid that pathetic excuse for a song.

MyKeyG · 13-10-2012 09:46AM

For all you so called Irish fans these are the words.

Amhrán na bhFiann
Sinne Fianna Fáil,
atá faoi gheall ag Éirinn,
Buíon dár slua,
Hm hm hm hm hm hm hm,
Nmmm na nm nm nm
Seantír ár sinsear feasta,
Na naaa naaaa na na na na na naaaaa
La na na na na na na naaaa na na
Hm hm hm hm chun báis nó saoil,
Cue delirious cheering and clapping.

Ye should be ashamed!!!

13-10-2012 10:01AM

MyKeyG wrote: »

For all you so called Irish fans these are the words.

Amhrán na bhFiann
Sinne Fianna Fáil,
atá faoi gheall ag Éirinn,
Buíon dár slua,
Hm hm hm hm hm hm hm,
Nmmm na nm nm nm
Seantír ár sinsear feasta,
Na naaa naaaa na na na na na naaaaa
La na na na na na na naaaa na na
Hm hm hm hm chun báis nó saoil,
Cue delirious cheering and clapping.

Ye should be ashamed!!!

I know all the words, just can't remember the tune!

cometogether · 13-10-2012 10:27AM

Surely the most important thing is how they represent the country on the pitch rather than if they sing a song?

MyKeyG · 13-10-2012 11:00AM

cometogether wrote: »

Surely the most important thing is how they represent the country on the pitch rather than if they sing a song?

So that's two major European competitions we suck in. Football and singing. Thank god for the provinces.

Jimoslimos · 13-10-2012 11:02AM

I know it, well remember most of it anyway but don't tend to sing it. Not the musical type you see. Fair play to those who do.

What I do have a problem with is those at two ends of the extreme
a) Expect you to know and sing it
b) Degenerate it at every opportunity

Sure it's a song about war and strife but infinitely preferable to the sycophantic dirge that is GSTQ. La Marseillaise is pretty catchy too and that is even more violent.

Favourite anthems: French, German, Italian and Russian

Teyla Emmagan · 13-10-2012 12:39PM

I love our anthem, everyone should be made sing it at every available opportunity. Or else beaten with sticks. And I say this as someone who can never remember the third last line no matter how many times I try to learn it. More beatings for me then..

jugger0 · 13-10-2012 12:48PM

mattser wrote: »

What a joy to sit through a match and not have to listen to that " Low lie the fields " ****e. Id take a 6-1 hammering any day to avoid that pathetic excuse for a song.

Whats wrong with that? Great tune. Ireland's call is very ****e tho, wish we could just have the real anthem for rugby.

13-10-2012 01:58PM

yore wrote: »

Where are you from? If Ireland, do you have an Irish passport? Does a little bit of you die every time you see that golden harp on the front and you remember your, ironically very 'Irish', self loathing

Yes I'm from Ireland.
Yes I have an Irish passport.
No a little bit of me doesn't die.
I love Ireland what are you talking about?

ejmaztec · 13-10-2012 02:05PM

MyKeyG wrote: »

So that's two major European competitions we suck in. Football and singing. Thank god for the provinces.

They should find something else that they might be good at, because they seem to be sh1t at both of those. Internships in graveyards might suit, if they're available.

K-9 · 13-10-2012 02:22PM

getzls wrote: »

Don't forget about bowls:cool:

Is it only Unionist posters you Mods pick on?

Ah, yes.

Pick on, I just pointed out something that was wrong in the post. Apparently I pick on Unionist as well as Sinn Fein supporters now.

getzls · 13-10-2012 02:22PM

mattser wrote: »

What a joy to sit through a match and not have to listen to that " Low lie the fields " ****e. Id take a 6-1 hammering any day to avoid that pathetic excuse for a song.

I love that song.:)

yore · 13-10-2012 02:38PM

Allyson Dirty Prism wrote: »

Yes I'm from Ireland.
Yes I have an Irish passport.
No a little bit of me doesn't die.
I love Ireland what are you talking about?

Well the post I replied to said that the anthem means nothing to you.

The song stands for Ireland. Even if you would rather a catchier tune or words, it's not about the words or tune. Do you think that the 80 odd thousand people who sing it in Croke park are singing it because it's their favourite "song"?

It's a bit like saying "I'm Irish and proud but I won't ever fly the flag because I don't like the colour of it"

cannot sing or will not sing the anthem?

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