The Bible, Creationism, and Prophecy (part 2)

systemsready wrote: »

laughable answers..
and these answers satisfy your intellect?

They dont have to be intellectual answers, they only have to be true

systemsready wrote: »

That is proof of nothing..we are not debating the age of the earth.
I dont care how old the earth is. There is nothing in scriptures that dictate the age of the earth. People make conjectures.
What the earth is is just a stage for man to play out his destiny.
Who cares how long it took to get here...6000 years or 6 trillion years ...so what?
If you proved the earth is 6 trillion years old..what does that change about the human condition in the present day? Children are still dying of starvation and thirst.
If I prove the earth is 6000 years old...that wont change anything.The children will still die of starvation and thirst.

Going back on previous arguemnts now and changing your position eh
Ask God to save his children dying of hunger and thirst

systemsready wrote: »

Basically, what it boils down to is that Belief is better than Disbelief.
Try the two lives, live as a believer and live as a disbeliever.
One is absolute negativity and the other is full of potential.
Thats proof enough for anyone who even has a single brain cell.

We live in a universe of indescribable beauty and wonder, of immense distances, and of extraordinary objects. Beyond the several thousand stars we can see with the naked eye in our night sky are countless stars, galaxies, nebulas, and other phenomena. In this dark vastness are stars the size of our solar system, gas and dust clouds, quasars, pulsars, and constellations. Somewhere in all this is our galaxy, the Milky Way, and somewhere in the Milky Way is our Sun.

We orbit the Sun at a distance of approximately 150 million km. Our planet hangs, to use Carl Sagan’s memorable phrase, like a speck of dust suspended in a sunbeam. We live on this planet in a thin layer of gas which we call the atmosphere. All life that we know of, past and present, has played out in this atmosphere. At the most essential of levels, all life is one.

On the one hand, we are as nothing. We are microbes on a crumb of rock floating through the enormity of the cosmos. The fragility of our existence in the firmament is breathtaking. A passing space rock the size of a small mountain could put paid to our being in an instant, and make a mockery of the solemn tomfoolery of human history. We are as delicate as a snowflake.

On the other hand, we are the pinnacle of the universe. Nowhere else is there life as it is on Earth. Nowhere else is there anything to rival the marvel of humanity; even as our own achievements threaten to choke us.

Our uniqueness challenges us at a fundamental level. It challenges us to ask ourselves questions of our morality, our mortality, our use of technology, our philosophies of being, our values, and our place in the cosmos. We have done this since time immemorial, and we will continue to do so. It’s a defining characteristic of being human, and it has shaped the development of our species and our societies. It befits us as humans to face up to these challenges; and it is facing these challenges that makes being human so very, very exciting.

I am an atheist, and I cannot fathom how you find my views to be negative. To me, they are profoundly positive.

pauldla wrote: »

We live in a universe of indescribable beauty and wonder, of immense distances, and of extraordinary objects. Beyond the several thousand stars we can see with the naked eye in our night sky are countless stars, galaxies, nebulas, and other phenomena. In this dark vastness are stars the size of our solar system, gas and dust clouds, quasars, pulsars, and constellations. Somewhere in all this is our galaxy, the Milky Way, and somewhere in the Milky Way is our Sun.

We orbit the Sun at a distance of approximately 150 million km. Our planet hangs, to use Carl Sagan’s memorable phrase, like a speck of dust suspended in a sunbeam. We live on this planet in a thin layer of gas which we call the atmosphere. All life that we know of, past and present, has played out in this atmosphere. At the most essential of levels, all life is one.

On the one hand, we are as nothing. We are microbes on a crumb of rock floating through the enormity of the cosmos. The fragility of our existence in the firmament is breathtaking. A passing space rock the size of a small mountain could put paid to our being in an instant, and make a mockery of the solemn tomfoolery of human history. We are as delicate as a snowflake.

On the other hand, we are the pinnacle of the universe. Nowhere else is there life as it is on Earth. Nowhere else is there anything to rival the marvel of humanity; even as our own achievements threaten to choke us.

Our uniqueness challenges us at a fundamental level. It challenges us to ask ourselves questions of our morality, our mortality, our use of technology, our philosophies of being, our values, and our place in the cosmos. We have done this since time immemorial, and we will continue to do so. It’s a defining characteristic of being human, and it has shaped the development of our species and our societies. It befits us as humans to face up to these challenges; and it is facing these challenges that makes being human so very, very exciting.

I am an athesit, and I cannot fathom how you find my views to be negative. To me, they are profoundly positive.

You think Creationists don't know about the place they live? We see the same universe...the only difference is that we say " Surely all this cannot be meaningless, surely whoever brought this universe into existence must be Omniscient..must be Omnipotent"
You say either you dont know how it came to existence or you say it happened by chance.
The Creationisst view is more rational

shizz wrote: »

They may be laughable to you, but I suspect a nervous laugh as the truth stares down the eyes of your deceit.

ad hominem argument begins

shizz wrote: »

More rational? They believe things in face of irrefutable evidence and you call their view rational?

You say that the Universe coming into existence by 'accident' is more rational than a designed universe?

Zombrex wrote: »

If someone wanted to use an ad hominem they would simply say you are JC's sock puppet. If they wanted to, of course.

Ad hominem argument continues..and as it does begets a lower level of discussion, which in turn begets nothing

systemsready wrote: »

You say that the Universe coming into existence by 'accident' is more rational than a designed universe?

I'm not saying anything about how the Universe came into existence. What I am saying is believing a god did it is not rational.

The reason you have a problem with the universe existing by accident is because you believe things need a creator and can't just exist. Then you automatically have a problem with your "God hypothesis".

Read this. This latest discover challenges your reasoning.

Lelantos wrote: »

No, most of this thread is about the bible & people holding it up as imperial fact, no dualism in that. No dualism in my view either. Your fundamental argument is basically flawed, Creationism can be proven to be incorrect, but the holders of that belief do not wish to accept the indisputable evidence.

The dualism is that you as an atheist will not be able to answer a question from a theist viewpoint...likewise I wont be able to answer a question from an atheist viewpoint...we will always have 2 answers to the same question

Never the twain shall meet

shizz wrote: »

I'm not saying anything about how the Universe came into existence. What I am saying is believing a god did it is not rational.

The reason you have a problem with the universe existing by accident is because you believe things need a creator and can't just exist. Then you automatically have a problem with your "God hypothesis".

Read this. This latest discover challenges your reasoning.

If you read that kind of **** long enough they will convince you of anything at all. You will become a product of thoughts of others (your intellectual superiors)

systemsready wrote: »

If you read that kind of **** long enough they will convince you of anything at all. You will become a product of thoughts of others (your intellectual superiors)

Glad to see you gave it a proper read through anyway :rolleyes:

shizz wrote: »

Glad to see you gave it a proper read through anyway :rolleyes:

speed reading...skimming