Mom who glued child’s hand to wall gets 99 years.

darlett · 12-10-2012 10:16PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Its easy to agree to pay it back after your caught :rolleyes:

Not the first to do the dirt with his tax, but yes admittedly no saint.

Getting the same sentence as the woman who killed the wrong man? Yeah thats fair. :pac:

mackg · 12-10-2012 10:17PM

say_who_now? wrote: »

Genuine question Nimrod as I did wonder why she wasn't given the death penalty when I read the OP alone, is it because this would've been just considered an assault as the child was still alive or some other legal technicality?

It says in the article the maximum punishment for the crime is 99 years. Pleaded guilty to felony injury to a child.

token101 · 12-10-2012 10:17PM

mrroboito wrote: »

Sounds like this poor young woman never had a chance in life herself. It's a very sad story and I agree that a custodial sentence is appropriate but 99 years is ridiculous. I would think 15 max with the possibility of a reduction to 6 or 8 of she can get her life together, maybe get an education and take a great deal of counselling. I think this is unlikely and she will probably not get a second chance during her incarceration. Another pity.

Jesus. Just because someone has a rough life doesn't mean they get free shots on other people. She's not deserving of another chance. Let her die there.

mrroboito wrote: »

I am also very unsure of whether the young woman's mother is an appropriate guardian for the five children. It doesn't seem like she has doe much of a job with her own children.

Yeah you'd be pretty much bang on there.

Sunnyisland · 12-10-2012 10:18PM

This thread should be made a sticky :-)

KTRIC · 12-10-2012 10:18PM

I would honestly say that execution should be considered for people like this. She has contributed nothing to society apart from pain and suffering to her own offspring, a defenceless little girl.

vicwatson · 12-10-2012 10:18PM

TheGunns wrote: »

not all crimes are punishable by it

That should be

My name is URL · 12-10-2012 10:18PM

say_who_now? wrote: »

*slow clap*, have a rubber medal for that one!

I'll probably get carded for it but-

Sometimes URL, you're a funny fùcker;
Other times, like in this instance, you're just a fùcker.

I hope you don't get carded for it. What you say is true, the same goes for everyone though. I agree with a lot of the stuff you say, but you can't agree with everyone all of the time.

You think that 99 years in prison is a logical and fair sentence for her. On the face of it, I don't. I don't see how it benefits anyone.. either her, her kids or society as a whole. Committing her indefinitely to a mental hospital and actually trying to help her would make a lot more sense to me, but there ya go.. opinions are like aresholes and all of that.

Peregrine · 12-10-2012 10:19PM

say_who_now? wrote: »

Genuine question Nimrod as I did wonder why she wasn't given the death penalty when I read the OP alone, is it because this would've been just considered an assault as the child was still alive or some other legal technicality?

In Texas, the district courts have original jurisdiction for all criminal felony cases. If an individual is convicted of a capital felony, he or she may be subject to punishment by death, if the State sought such punishment. A capital felony is one in which an individual "intentionally or knowingly causes the death of an individual," under special circumstances. In particular, the:

murder of a public safety officer or firefighter in the line of duty
murder during the commission of specified felonies (kidnapping, burglary, robbery, aggravated rape, arson)
murder for remuneration
multiple murders
murder during prison escape
murder of a correctional officer
murder of a judge
murder by a state prison inmate who is serving a life sentence for any of five offenses; [or]
murder of an individual under six years of age.

If the child had died, she would've qualified for death penalty

http://tarltonguides.law.utexas.edu/texas-death-penalty

And I don't like quoting Wikipedia but:

Murder while incarcerated with one of the following three qualifiers:
While incarcerated for capital murder, the victim is an employee of the institution or the murder must be done "with the intent to establish, maintain, or participate in a combination or in the profits of a combination",
While incarcerated for either capital murder or murder, or
While serving either a life sentence or a 99-year sentence under specified Penal Code sections not involving capital murder or murder.

Dunno where they got the info, but it seems 99 year sentences are common enough in Texas :rolleyes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Texas

Dangerous Man · 12-10-2012 10:20PM

mrroboito wrote: »

Sounds like this poor young woman never had a chance in life herself. It's a very sad story and I agree that a custodial sentence is appropriate but 99 years is ridiculous. I would think 15 max with the possibility of a reduction to 6 or 8 of she can get her life together, maybe get an education and take a great deal of counselling. I think this is unlikely and she will probably not get a second chance during her incarceration. Another pity.

I am also very unsure of whether the young woman's mother is an appropriate guardian for the five children. It doesn't seem like she has doe much of a job with her own children.

She should be put to death. She put a baby in a coma - a two-year-old baby that relied on her to take care of her and keep her safe.

She kicked a baby, repeatedly, in the stomach, breaking her ribs. She smashed a milk jug over a baby's head. She glued a baby's hands to a wall until they bled.

She deserves to die.

Pottler · 12-10-2012 10:23PM

I've heard of abusive parents, this must be the first adhesive parent. In fairness, was she all in it?? Some people should never become parents, sadly they are often the ones who end up having the most kids. Sad really, no parent now for 5 kids, where do they end up after all this? Probably like their mam, which is also another 99 years of crime.

Bradidup · 12-10-2012 10:23PM

Dangerous Man wrote: »

She should be executed.

that's a possibility.

FEMA internment only around the corner and that will be without trial.

Madam_X · 12-10-2012 10:39PM

Deserved a hefty sentence - I've no sympathy. Horrific abuse. What difference does Ireland's sentencing make? This is Texas. But it's likely she had a f'ucked up life growing up, which is probably a large part of the reason for this. I mean... five children by 23?! Being in a gang, violent to her children, attacking her mother, drugs at 11? Christ that's depressing. I know she's responsible - along with the children's father(s) but it's unlikely a person with a non crap rearing would have all that behind them. The sentence punishes her, but what would benefit society is an end to childhoods like hers.

Wetbench4 · 12-10-2012 10:43PM

Nah. I think executing her would be she wants. Make the bitch think about it for a century, if she lasts that long.

Scioch · 12-10-2012 10:48PM

Well she doesnt belong in civilised society anyway so where else for her only behind bars ?

Neyite · 12-10-2012 10:52PM

Pottler wrote: »

I've heard of abusive parents, this must be the first adhesive parent. In fairness, was she all in it?? Some people should never become parents, sadly they are often the ones who end up having the most kids. Sad really, no parent now for 5 kids, where do they end up after all this? Probably like their mam, which is also another 99 years of crime.

I think its the opposite - these children have been saved from a nutter. Now they may have a decent shot at a childhood.

PizzamanIRL · 12-10-2012 10:53PM

No sympathy for her getting that sentence, although you do see murders getting less time.

She had no reason to kick her baby and glue her to the wall. WTF, she should be executed, the freak.

Madam_X · 12-10-2012 10:54PM

I don't believe she's beyond redemption at the tender age of 23, especially when she showed such remorse (I know some will probably say that's only because she knew she was going down, but we've no way of knowing since we're not mindreaders). There's no guarantee she'll be the same person at 40.

Allyall · 12-10-2012 10:59PM

Madam_X wrote: »

I don't believe she's beyond redemption at the tender age of 23, especially when she showed such remorse (I know some will probably say that's only because she knew she was going down, but we've no way of knowing since we're not mindreaders). There's no guarantee she'll be the same person at 40.

I'll risk it.

She only showed "remorse" because she knew she was going down.

Evil sadistic Cúnt.

Daithi 1 · 12-10-2012 11:05PM

99's a cool number. Reminds me of the 99 ice cream. Why not 98 tho ? could be like 98fm or 101 like the number of dalmatians.

jd007 · 12-10-2012 11:08PM

Some people just shouldn't be allowed to have children

Maudi · 12-10-2012 11:10PM

flutterflye wrote: »

Oh god - when I read this bit;

Escalona's other children told authorities that their mother attacked Jocelyn Cedillo in September 2011 due to potty training problems. Police say she kicked her daughter in the stomach, beat her with a milk jug, then stuck her hands to an apartment wall with an adhesive commonly known as Super Glue.

Jocelyn suffered bleeding in her brain, a fractured rib, multiple bruises and bite marks, and was in a coma for a couple of days, a doctor testified at the sentencing hearing. Some skin had been torn off her hands, where doctors also found glue residue and white paint chips from the apartment wall.

I actually felt physically ill.
That poor little girl.

At first, reading op I was thinking that's ridiculous, but after reading on in the article - I'm thinking good enough for the bitch.
May she rot away her years.

jesus..bite marks..this "thing"that bites a small child needs to have its life extinguished..

say_who_now? · 12-10-2012 11:18PM

Madam_X wrote: »

Deserved a hefty sentence - I've no sympathy. Horrific abuse. What difference does Ireland's sentencing make? This is Texas. But it's likely she had a f'ucked up life growing up, which is probably a large part of the reason for this. I mean... five children by 23?! Being in a gang, violent to her children, attacking her mother, drugs at 11? Christ that's depressing. I know she's responsible - along with the children's father(s) but it's unlikely a person with a non crap rearing would have all that behind them. The sentence punishes her, but what would benefit society is an end to childhoods like hers.

Hmm, I dunno MX if (OK I see where you're coming from but bear with me for a second) I'd agree that a crap childhood has anything to do with how that person would raise their own offspring. I hear it all the time and I know I only speak anecdotally but this kind of "Oh such and such was done to me as a child so that's why I did it to them". It's just an absolution excuse that honestly I can't get my head around why it's acceptable as a plea for leniency.

I might as well say it- my own father used me as his punching bag on a daily basis for nearly 12 years from the age of four til I moved out at 16. The last time he did it, he came at me to beat me with the butt of a rifle. I managed somehow to catch him off balance and when he fell back I was still clutching the butt of the shotgun as I'd put my hand up to defend myself.

I cocked the shotgun and only for the fact I couldn't fùcking see straight, he would've got it right between the eyes! I walked out of the house and would've stayed away had my "upstanding pillars of the community" parents not had a detective friend in the local garda station that found out where I was staying and came to visit with a social worker in tow, asking me would I not move back home, etc. My dignity wouldn't allow for me to ruin my parent's "reputation" within the community, so I went with the social worker and the detective in the car out to the home house, went in, gathered a few of my clothes and my school books, put them in my bag, walked out past the whole family standing there, the parents chatting to the detective, the social worker standing out at the car, "thanks for the lift" I said as I walked out down the lane and dipped into a field so the detective and the social worker wouldn't catch me on the main road back into town.

I rang my parents house from a payphone when I got back into town and simply said "come after me again, and I won't be so dignified next time!". Never bothered me again after that, not for a number of years at least, but I've said enough already.

My point being that I have a son now, and while I wouldn't be averse to giving him a clip around the ear when he misbehaves, I wouldn't nor couldn't beat him black and blue just because I'd a bad day in work!

What this woman did was despicable, and while sometimes rehabilitation can be an effective and beneficial form of therapy and incarceration an effective form of punishment, sometimes the crime committed is so horrific and the person who committed it so far gone, that they are beyond redemption.

dark crystal · 12-10-2012 11:19PM

No sympathy for her whatsoever. A thoroughly deserved sentence. Just thinking about the horrors that baby must have endured makes my blood boil.

mrroboito · 12-10-2012 11:25PM

Many posts here lean towards punishment for punishment's sake as opposed to custodial sentences leading to rehabilitation. I would regard this trend as worrying. This is a heinous crime, there is no doubt about that. This woman has horribly abused her position as mother, care giver, protector, anything else you care to mention. She has acted in an inhuman way and I would seriously doubt her crocodile tears in court are a step towards self improvement. She clearly has many issues to deal with before she can be returned to society but I strongly believe that anyone who pays a price for their crime (I have already suggested a minimum of 6 - 8 years depending on her behaviour, willingness and progress in making definite steps towards recovery, maybe as long as it takes otherwise) should have the chance to return to society.

TheBoss! · 12-10-2012 11:28PM

Video of testimony:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8iHIaclfZQ

99 years is jail is ludicrous.

She obviously needs help (lots of it) if she's beating her old child into a coma.

Gmol · 12-10-2012 11:28PM

Rodin wrote: »

I've no problem with the sentence.

But will it stick?

Daithi 1 · 12-10-2012 11:31PM

dark crystal wrote: »

No sympathy for her whatsoever. A thoroughly deserved sentence. Just thinking about the horrors that baby must have endured makes my blood boil.

Maybe the same sh!t happened her, she doesnt know any different.

Obviously there is something wrong with her. They should try and fix it, learn from it, instead of sweeping it under the rug for 99 years.

dark crystal · 12-10-2012 11:32PM

say_who_now? wrote: »

Hmm, I dunno MX if (OK I see where you're coming from but bear with me for a second) I'd agree that a crap childhood has anything to do with how that person would raise their own offspring. I hear it all the time and I know I only speak anecdotally but this kind of "Oh such and such was done to me as a child so that's why I did it to them". It's just an absolution excuse that honestly I can't get my head around why it's acceptable as a plea for leniency.

I might as well say it- my own father used me as his punching bag on a daily basis for nearly 12 years from the age of four til I moved out at 16. The last time he did it, he came at me to beat me with the butt of a rifle. I managed somehow to catch him off balance and when he fell back I was still clutching the butt of the shotgun as I'd put my hand up to defend myself.

I cocked the shotgun and only for the fact I couldn't fùcking see straight, he would've got it right between the eyes! I walked out of the house and would've stayed away had my "upstanding pillars of the community" parents not had a detective friend in the local garda station that found out where I was staying and came to visit with a social worker in tow, asking me would I not move back home, etc. My dignity wouldn't allow for me to ruin my parent's "reputation" within the community, so I went with the social worker and the detective in the car out to the home house, went in, gathered a few of my clothes and my school books, put them in my bag, walked out past the whole family standing there, the parents chatting to the detective, the social worker standing out at the car, "thanks for the lift" I said as I walked out down the lane and dipped into a field so the detective and the social worker wouldn't catch me on the main road back into town.

I rang my parents house from a payphone when I got back into town and simply said "come after me again, and I won't be so dignified next time!". Never bothered me again after that, not for a number of years at least, but I've said enough already.

My point being that I have a son now, and while I wouldn't be averse to giving him a clip around the ear when he misbehaves, I wouldn't nor couldn't beat him black and blue just because I'd a bad day in work!

What this woman did was despicable, and while sometimes rehabilitation can be an effective and beneficial form of therapy and incarceration an effective form of punishment, sometimes the crime committed is so horrific and the person who committed it so far gone, that they are beyond redemption.

Your father sounds like an utter coward to me. Well done on getting out and making a better life for yourself - that takes a huge amount of bravery. Well done you

Dangerous Man · 12-10-2012 11:38PM

TheBoss! wrote: »

Video of testimony:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8iHIaclfZQ

99 years is jail is ludicrous.

She obviously needs help (lots of it) if she's beating her old child into a coma.

Wrong - she needs to be executed.

dark crystal · 12-10-2012 11:40PM

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Maybe the same sh!t happened her, she doesnt know any different.

Obviously there is something wrong with her. They should try and fix it, learn from it, instead of sweeping it under the rug for 99 years.

Sweeping it under the rug for 99 years sounds more preferable to me than leaving her out in 8-10 years so she can get pregnant and do the same to another defenceless baby.

Past experience may explain present behaviour, but it is never an excuse. Besides, if her mother was a sadistic child-torturer like her, chances are social services wouldn't have left the grandchildren in her care.

Mom who glued child’s hand to wall gets 99 years.

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