The Bible, Creationism, and Prophecy (part 2)

Monty Burnz · 12-10-2012 04:45PM

Jan Hus wrote: »

Zeus is Greek - Mars is Roman, one reason why they wouldn't be coexisting (Jupiter is the correct name).

They are the same gods - just different names. Like Allah and Yahweh.

Monty Burnz · 12-10-2012 04:46PM

Jan Hus wrote: »

I am a secondary school student. I don't find them mind-warping.

So all straight As in your school in basic LC physics so? Or are the kids there just not trying?

Monty Burnz · 12-10-2012 04:47PM

systemsready wrote: »

Its a slow process but we're getting there. Stop eating pork today, stop eating black pudding tomorrow (blood),get circumcised another day, Follow the commandments and finally arrive at how Jesus was living and probably how man was meant to live as ordained by his Creator.

Sounds like you should join the Taleban.

Jan Hus · 12-10-2012 04:48PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

They are the same gods - just different names. Like Allah and Yahweh.

If you told the priests of Athena she was the same goddess as Minerva, they would have lynched you. Rome divided this goddess into Minerva and Bellona.

Yahweh and Allah are not the same thing. Allah was originally a moon god.

Jan Hus · 12-10-2012 04:50PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

So all straight As in your school in basic LC physics so? Or are the kids there just not trying?

I don't answer personal questions.

Monty Burnz · 12-10-2012 04:51PM

Jan Hus wrote: »

If you told the priests of Athena she was the same goddess as Minerva, they would have lynched you. Rome divided this goddess into Minerva and Bellona.

Right, but Zeus and Jupiter are the same guy. And I'm sure you have no theological problem with Athena being both Minerva and Bellona.

Jan Hus wrote: »

Yahweh and Allah are not the same thing. Allah was originally a moon god.

And Yahweh was probably a monkey god or something if you go back far enough. Sometimes they get promotions.

Monty Burnz · 12-10-2012 04:52PM

Jan Hus wrote: »

I don't answer personal questions.

That's handy. I can tell you that the guys in my class tried quite hard and averaged Cs.

Jan Hus · 12-10-2012 04:53PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Right, but Zeus and Jupiter are the same guy. And I'm sure you have no theological problem with Athena being both Minerva and Bellona.

And Yahweh was probably a monkey god or something if you go back far enough. Sometimes they get promotions.

The Lord revealed himself to Moses saying "I AM That I AM" (YHWH)
Obviously not.

shizz · 12-10-2012 04:58PM

Jan Hus wrote: »

Em... I would have thought speech would be sufficient - music is whole level wayyy above speech.

Think back to those times. All we had to do was socially interact around a fire or dinner. Music helped with this. Music involved everyone at once, that's not often the case with speaking.

Jan Hus · 12-10-2012 05:00PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Right, but Zeus and Jupiter are the same guy. And I'm sure you have no theological problem with Athena being both Minerva and Bellona. /QUOTE]

Of course I do. They were completely separate goddesses - not members of a Godhead

Jan Hus · 12-10-2012 05:01PM

shizz wrote: »

Think back to those times. All we had to do was socially interact around a fire or dinner. Music helped with this. Music involved everyone at once, that's not often the case with speaking.

And you would honestly suggest that this would be a big enough advantage to affect the breeding population and hence become a selective trait?

systemsready · 12-10-2012 05:03PM

Lelantos wrote: »

So until you personally find Noah's ark on Mount Ararat, it remains something you heard in a pub on a Friday nite?

The difference is that what you tell me in a pub on a friday night ultimately is irrelevant, albeit important for you.
My sources of knowledge come from a tried and tested path. Beginning with;
Psalm 14:1-7
"The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good."

Psalms from David, david gaining his knowledge from his predecessors back to Moses, and Moses getting his knowledge from God Almighty.
David giving his knowledge to Solomon and so on and so forth to all the Prophets all the way to John the baptist and Jesus. That knowledge has stood the test of time and will always stand the test of time. No other knowledge can refute it.
Not even something you "hear in a pub on a friday night"!

systemsready · 12-10-2012 05:05PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Sounds like you should join the Taleban.

There you go again, associating people through prejudice and ignorance

Monty Burnz · 12-10-2012 05:07PM

Jan Hus wrote: »

The Lord revealed himself to Moses saying "I AM That I AM" (YHWH)
Obviously not.

That's just what Moses claims, to be fair. Is he a more reliable witness than Heracles?

systemsready · 12-10-2012 05:07PM

Jan Hus wrote: »

Allah was originally a moon god.

originally? what is he now? Did he transmute to something else?

Monty Burnz · 12-10-2012 05:08PM

Jan Hus wrote: »

Of course I do. They were completely separate goddesses - not members of a Godhead

It's a sacred mystery - gods move in mysterious ways.

Jan Hus · 12-10-2012 05:08PM

systemsready wrote: »

originally? what is he now? Did he transmute to something else?

Muhumed selected an existing deity's name for his new creation.

Monty Burnz · 12-10-2012 05:09PM

systemsready wrote: »

There you go again, associating people through prejudice and ignorance

But they seem to be living a primitive lifestyle, shunning pigs and music and cutting off bits of their willies and keeping men apart from women - all very biblical stuff. You would fit right in.

systemsready · 12-10-2012 05:09PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

They are the same gods - just different names. Like Allah and Yahweh.

From Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet, 1600:

JULIET:
'Tis but thy name that is my enemy;
Thou art thyself, though not a Montague.
What's Montague? it is nor hand, nor foot,
Nor arm, nor face, nor any other part
Belonging to a man. O, be some other name!
What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet;
So Romeo would, were he not Romeo call'd,
Retain that dear perfection which he owes
Without that title. Romeo, doff thy name,
And for that name which is no part of thee
Take all myself.

Jan Hus · 12-10-2012 05:11PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

It's a sacred mystery - gods move in mysterious ways.

Hmm... You seem to have a very Terry Pratchett style view on gods. Let me see the Greeks differed on which way the world was created (some say it hatched from an egg, others claim that Kaos had existed for all eternity.

systemsready · 12-10-2012 05:11PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

But they seem to be living a primitive lifestyle, shunning pigs and music and cutting off bits of their willies and keeping men apart from women - all very biblical stuff. You would fit right in.

Dont the jews do that too?

Monty Burnz · 12-10-2012 05:11PM

Jan Hus wrote: »

Muhumed selected an existing deity's name for his new creation.

Odd that his 'new creation' traces itself back to Abraham. Can you prove that this was a 'creation', rather than a revelation?

Why do you believe Moses, but not Muhammed?

Monty Burnz · 12-10-2012 05:11PM

systemsready wrote: »

Dont the jews do that too?

Yes, the ultra-orthodox do. Isn't this what you say you are aiming for?

Monty Burnz · 12-10-2012 05:12PM

Jan Hus wrote: »

Hmm... You seem to have a very Terry Pratchett style view on gods. Let me see the Greeks differed on which way the world was created (some say it hatched from an egg, others claim that Kaos had existed for all eternity.

Theological controversies exist in all religions. It does not make them untrue, does it?

Don't Christians have very different views on how the world was created?

Benny_Cake · 12-10-2012 05:13PM

systemsready wrote: »

Monty Burnz wrote: »

So the orthodox decide who can be Jewish, not god? Wow, the god you believe is so unbelievably restricted by external rules.

Well, ask any catholic , he will tell u the same. A gentile is a gentile and a jew is a jew.

By the way Gentile just means; pagan, or heathen, or unbeliever.
Someone who has no religion, an uncircumcised who eats anything and sleeps with anything.

gen·tile (jntl)
n. often Gentile
1. A person who is not Jewish.
2. Archaic A pagan or heathen.
3. Mormon Church A non-Mormon.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gentile

If you want to become Jewish, you just have to find an Orthodox rabbi and find out about the conversion process. Once you convert you would be accepted as a Jew, without conditions.

Jews aren't big on conversion for a number of reasons, chiefly because they have never believed that everyone needs to be a Jew, nor is it believed (beyond a few fundamentalist types) that a Jewish is "better" than anyone else. But you can convert, although a rabbi would probably wonder why you consider the dietary law on pork so important when you don't seem too concerned about trimming your temples and so on.

systemsready · 12-10-2012 05:13PM

Jan Hus wrote: »

Muhumed selected an existing deity's name for his new creation.

And in his new creation (religion) Muhammed said that Allah created the Universe?
But we know only 1 God created the universe.
And Arab Christians call God by the name Allah. Did they take the name of the 'moon god' too?

Jan Hus · 12-10-2012 05:14PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Odd that his 'new creation' traces itself back to Abraham. Can you prove that this was a 'creation', rather than a revelation?

Why do you believe Moses, but not Muhammed?

a) Muhammed was a proven liar. He claimed to be illiterate before a miracle made him literate - odd that his work was influenced so much by existing literary traditions.
b)He only ever performed the above mentioned miracle. Moses did dozens

systemsready · 12-10-2012 05:15PM

Benny_Cake wrote: »

If you want to become Jewish, you just have to find an Orthodox rabbi and find out about the conversion process. Once you convert you would be accepted as a Jew, without conditions.

Jews aren't big on conversion for a number of reasons, chiefly because they have never believed that everyone needs to be a Jew, nor is it believed (beyond a few fundamentalist types) that a Jewish is "better" than anyone else. But you can convert, although a rabbi would probably wonder why you consider the dietary law on pork so important when you don't seem too concerned about trimming your temples and so on.

You are wrong there, you can only be a true jew by birth. through the mother.

Jan Hus · 12-10-2012 05:15PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Theological controversies exist in all religions. It does not make them untrue, does it?

Don't Christians have very different views on how the world was created?

The Bible only has one view. The Theosapy (not sure on spelling) and other texts differ for the Greeks

Jan Hus · 12-10-2012 05:17PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Odd that his 'new creation' traces itself back to Abraham. Can you prove that this was a 'creation', rather than a revelation?

Why do you believe Moses, but not Muhammed?

Abram called God el-Ohim (not sure on spelling) - the Almighty One. It is the same name up until Moses. Jacob uses it too.

The Bible, Creationism, and Prophecy (part 2)

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