Do you think all Irish children should have free health care?

NegativeCreep · 10-10-2012 11:39PM

Your kids are precious to you. Mot anyone else. No they shouldn't get free healthcare.

benchppress · 10-10-2012 11:39PM

If you can't afford to pay to see the doctor perhaps cut back on the cigarettes, alcohol and digital television?

dvpower · 10-10-2012 11:40PM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Your kids are precious to you. Mot anyone else. No they shouldn't get free healthcare.

And free education? Should that be abolished too?

ted1 · 10-10-2012 11:43PM

If you do find you take the kids or yourself a bit have a look at this http://www.gpnow.ie/

professore · 10-10-2012 11:47PM

Youssef Chippo wrote: »

El Weirdo wrote: »

Because they'll probably be paying for your pension when you're older.

Well if I work say 40-50 years of my adult life I think I'd be paying for it myself.

Don't worry you'll be put down humanely when you are no longer a productive member of society.

keith16 · 10-10-2012 11:48PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

If you cant afford to have children, don't have them.

There are those who make don't make informed decisions on having children.

Regardless of the rights and wrongs on this, children come into the world having had no say on the matter.

They are only kids and precious in their own right. Medical care should not be denied to them because it can't be afforded.

Imagine a doctor lecturing in front of your sick child saying that he won't get better because you can't afford kids and you shouldn't have had him in the first place. It doesn't happen because what fcuking difference does it make now?

A large part of the population in the 50s 60s 70s 80s couldn't afford to have children yet here we all are.

EDIT: Fcuked up my sloping sentences at the end there. God damn you Chuck Stone, now I have another thing to add to my OCD list.

dhmusic · 10-10-2012 11:51PM

Sauve wrote: »

It sounds like you should be entitled to a medical card if not a Doctor Visit card OP, going by your circumstances. Could be worth looking into.

But if he gets a medical card then he won't be able to moan about all of those scroungers on the dole living the luxury with medical cards and dutch gold tokens and free houses, he would become one of them. He's probably better off being sick than getting assistance from the state, at least he won't be a scrounger.

Sauve · 10-10-2012 11:57PM

dhmusic wrote: »

But if he gets a medical card then he won't be able to moan about all of those scroungers on the dole living the luxury with medical cards and dutch gold tokens and free houses, he would become one of them. He's probably better off being sick than getting assistance from the state, at least he won't be a scrounger.

You don't necessarily need to be on the dole to be entitled to a GP visit or full medical card. Both the OP and his/her partner are working, I'd hardly call them scroungers just because their incomes are low.

emo72 · 11-10-2012 12:00AM

This thread needs a poll, badly.

benchppress · 11-10-2012 12:06AM

what's wrong with canada

emo72 · 11-10-2012 12:12AM

GeorgeyBurns wrote: »

I think free health care is hit and miss.

If you look at France, it's really good.

If you look at Canada, it's really bad.

It just depends on the work ethic of your population. I spent over a month in hospital and our worst problem is pensioners being dumped in wards because it's cheaper than old age folks home.

Canada? Are you she you have the right country? Cos Canada is great.

ringadingding · 11-10-2012 12:15AM

Jaysus, all the 'your kid, your problem ' fools.

Children should get the best start in life, regardless of background.
Good health is imperative. They should have mandatory twice yearly checks, and free healthcare for children.
Don't take your child for 2 check ups per year, no child Benifits.
Imagine the amount of ailments that could be nipped in the bud.

Sadly some parents don't prioritise the health of their children often enough.
What is it about so many irish that we just can't seethe importance of health and getting our children into this routine from a young age is crucial.

People saying they don't want kids clogging up the overpaid, normally useless GP's are short sighted plonkers

benchppress · 11-10-2012 12:20AM

ringadingding wrote: »

Imagine the amount of ailments that could be nipped in the bud.

none most likely

mdebets · 11-10-2012 12:21AM

No, they shouldn't. It's the exclusive right of all parents to provide healthcare for their child and that right shouldn't be taken away by the state.

Sauve · 11-10-2012 12:22AM

ringadingding wrote: »

People saying they don't want kids clogging up the overpaid, normally useless GP's are short sighted plonkers

People who run to their GP when they have a cold/graze/something obviously trivial are the plonkers if you ask me.
Just for the record, I think GPs' have one of the toughest jobs in the country. They work their asses off for very little thanks, and generally only get guff from patients just because they can't work miracles.
Sure, they're paid very well, but why shouldn't they be? They're generally our first port of call for the vast majority of healthcare problems, a job that is all too often underestimated.

emo72 · 11-10-2012 12:22AM

ringadingding wrote: »

Jaysus, all the 'your kid, your problem ' fools.

Children should get the best start in life, regardless of background.
Good health is imperative. They should have mandatory twice yearly checks, and free healthcare for children.
Don't take your child for 2 check ups per year, no child Benifits.
Imagine the amount of ailments that could be nipped in the bud.

Sadly some parents don't prioritise the health of their children often enough.
What is it about so many irish that we just can't seethe importance of health and getting our children into this routine from a young age is crucial.

People saying they don't want kids clogging up the overpaid, normally useless GP's are short sighted plonkers

As a taxpayer, I would like to congratulate you on your correct thinking. Congratulations straight thinking person.

Sauve · 11-10-2012 12:23AM

emo72 wrote: »

As a taxpayer, I would like to congratulate you on your correct thinking. Congratulations straight thinking person.

Not seeing the connection here....

mdebets · 11-10-2012 12:24AM

Youssef Chippo wrote: »

No! I don't have kids so why the fuck should I pay for someone elses?

Because they probably be wiping your arse when you can't do it yourself anymore.

Chuck Stone · 11-10-2012 12:26AM

There's a good case to be made for comprehensive 'free' healthcare and expert primary schools with robust services for children.

The argument is that it's easier and much cheaper to prevent little problems from becoming massive ones. Catch impaired or neglected children in primary school and provide assistance/intervene before they end up becoming a drain on every other service.

ringadingding · 11-10-2012 12:27AM

benchppress wrote: »

none most likely

Speech impediments, hearing tests, eye tests... Will I go on ?

My daughter was 3.5, all perfect, we legally have to bring her for check ups where we live, had the eye test, thought she'd breeze through it, turns out she only had 25% vision in one eye, we are involved, caring parents and we didn't have a clue, nobody did. And to her it was normal to be nearly blind In one eye. This check up led to her eye now getting back to 90% vision, but if it wasbt caught early, it wouldn't have improved as much as it did.
So yeah, I see mandatory check ups as a great excercise

emo72 · 11-10-2012 12:36AM

Sauve wrote: »

Not seeing the connection here....

OK. Normally taxpayers don't want their money spent. But the argument is catch the problem early and it will cost less.

I don't mind my money being spirit on other people's children. Its for the good of the nation.

benchppress · 11-10-2012 12:36AM

ringadingding wrote: »

Speech impediments, hearing tests, eye tests... Will I go on ?

My daughter was 3.5, all perfect, we legally have to bring her for check ups where we live, had the eye test, thought she'd breeze through it, turns out she only had 25% vision in one eye, we are involved, caring parents and we didn't have a clue, nobody did. And to her it was normal to be nearly blind In one eye. This check up led to her eye now getting back to 90% vision, but if it wasbt caught early, it wouldn't have improved as much as it did.
So yeah, I see mandatory check ups as a great excercise

please do i would like you to share more personal anecdotes based on your massive experience of primary health screening

mariano rivera · 11-10-2012 12:39AM

pragmatic1 wrote: »

I think every person regardless of age should be entitled to medical attention when its actually required. That doesn't mean whenever someone has a slight touch of the cold though. However those that can afford it should make a contribution.

How do you decipher if someone has a slight cold or is suffering from a more serious complaint WITHOUT medical attention?

Diagnoses at a distance? (maybe 50 feet)

Diagnoses via postcard ?

Diagnoses via lottery ?

Diagnoses via Hair color?

Sauve · 11-10-2012 12:40AM

emo72 wrote: »

OK. Normally taxpayers don't want their money spent. But the argument is catch the problem early and it will cost less.

I don't mind my money being spirit on other people's children. Its for the good of the nation.

Yeah I see where you're coming form alright but if healthcare is free, that would lead to massive abuse of the system.
I think that in general, our children are very well looked after. Any infant/childhood illness is usually taken very seriously by GPs'. If it isn't, you need to be changing doctors.

ringadingding · 11-10-2012 12:41AM

benchppress wrote: »

please do i would like you to share more personal anecdotes based on your massive experience of primary health screening

How can it possibly be a ad thing ?

It might have caught your stutter early enough to stop in seeping into your username :-)

Sauve · 11-10-2012 12:41AM

mariano rivera wrote: »

How do you decipher if someone has a slight cold or is suffering from a more serious complaint WITHOUT medical attention?

Diagnoses at a distance? (maybe 50 feet)

Diagnoses via postcard ?

Diagnoses via lottery ?

Diagnoses via Hair color?

Presumably the patient/parent will be a relatively competent adult who knows the signs of a slight cold. We've all had colds, we know the deal.

Chuck Stone · 11-10-2012 12:43AM

benchppress wrote: »

what's wrong with canada

Too many Canadians aboot the place.

flutterflye · 11-10-2012 12:44AM

No, I don't think kids should have free healthcare, I think we all should.
Similar to the nhs - higher taxes for everyone, but get free decent health care.
(That's the way it works yeah? I'm going by what friends in UK have said, I've never personally experienced it, so could be wrong)

ringadingding · 11-10-2012 12:50AM

I would hazard a guess that taxes in ireland are probably equivalent to the uk, but what bugged me was the amount of taxes I used to pay, and not seeing anything major in return for them......

sock puppet · 11-10-2012 01:05AM

Youssef Chippo wrote: »

Well if I work say 40-50 years of my adult life I think I'd be paying for it myself.

Huh? No you won't. Unless there's a constant supply of workers paying into the pot you'd obviously lose everything.

ringadingding wrote: »

I would hazard a guess that taxes in ireland are probably equivalent to the uk, but what bugged me was the amount of taxes I used to pay, and not seeing anything major in return for them......

No taxes in Ireland are quite a bit lower. The public sector here is a lot smaller than the UK.

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