HSE tells staff to dress 'modestly' or face dismissal

HeyThereDeliah · 10-10-2012 09:33AM

I'm assuming they are on about admin staff, it's fair to say every office has a dress code. I have seen a few girls wearing tops that were a little revealing while it might look ok in the mirror it's when you are sitting at the desk those standing in front of you are looking down your top.

I don't agree with admin staff not wearing nail varnish, doctors and nurses maybe for hygiene purposes but they are in close contact with patients.

It seems they have brought in a blanket rule across the board for everyone, seems fair in one way I suppose.

seamus · 10-10-2012 09:45AM

phasers wrote: »

And the tattoo one isn't about hygiene, it's about looking professional. It's a fairly standard rule in a lot of workplaces.

I think in general the rule tends to ask employees not to go out of their way to show off tattoos, rather than a "ban" on them. So wearing full-length sleeves instead of short sleeves, not showing off a tramp stamp, etc.

Few employers would require an employee to wear gloves to cover a tattoo on their hands or a scarf to cover the back of their neck.

Though in limited circumstances the employer may have grounds to dismiss an employee if they got an inappropriate tattoo. E.g. someone who meets with clients on a regular basis gets "FNCK YOU" tattooed on their forehead.

10-10-2012 09:46AM

seamus wrote: »

Though in limited circumstances the employer may have grounds to dismiss an employee if they got an inappropriate tattoo. E.g. someone who meets with clients on a regular basis get's "FNCK YOU" tattooed on their forehead.

giggle
"Not only is it inappropriate, but you just can't spell. We can't have that kind of image for our company."

RacoonQueen · 10-10-2012 10:03AM

anmhi02 wrote: »

Where for the love of god is this happening?? The majority of hospitals have staff wearing tunic tops and trousers or in my place of work, scrubs. Completely agree from an infection control point of view, about not wearing nail varnish, false nails etc but I have yet to see a nurse looking like a "slapper".

Slurryface wrote: »

Personally I've seen seen an accounts clerk or receptionist in scrubs myself, but I fail to see how banning nail polish is anything other than petty sexism!

Slurryface wrote: »

Please Oh please explain to me how a tattoo being visible, or how wearing nail varnish affects sterility?

Read this yesterday and thought ''It's about time''. Female doctors, social workers, pharmacists (anyone who doesn't have a uniform) regularly turned up to work in inappropriate clothing where I worked. High heels, skirts, low cut tops. It's a hospital, that is inappropriate clothing for a hospital. The tatoos thing is aimed at men I'd imagine and is understandable. Many workplaces have dress codes, covering tatoos is a common request in a professional workplace. Again, where I worked there was someone covered in them, stereotyping maybe, but some patients did not feel comfortable around him..

Re: nailpolish it can easily carry infection, if it gets chipped germs etc can get caught under it. Plus it looks rank, never understood how people think painted nails look nice.

A neat, clean, business-like appearance must be maintained at all times. Staff

attached to certain departments may be required to wear a uniform or other

protective clothing. Such requirements will be advised by your Department

Head/Supervisor and must be adhered to at all times. See Dress Code Policy –

Clothing worn by employees conforms to a standard of formality in

dress that projects a professional working image. In addition employees

must avoid fashion extremes e.g. belly-tops, football jerseys, denims,

tracksuits, visible underwear etc.

Footwear worn is suitable and practical, having regard to both safety in

the workplace and professional image.

Slurryface · 10-10-2012 10:09AM

seamus wrote: »

I think in general the rule tends to ask employees not to go out of their way to show off tattoos, rather than a "ban" on them. So wearing full-length sleeves instead of short sleeves, not showing off a tramp stamp, etc.

Few employers would require an employee to wear gloves to cover a tattoo on their hands or a scarf to cover the back of their neck.

Though in limited circumstances the employer may have grounds to dismiss an employee if they got an inappropriate tattoo. E.g. someone who meets with clients on a regular basis gets "FNCK YOU" tattooed on their forehead.

A Tramp Stamp!!!!
Are you for fúcking real

Tombi! · 10-10-2012 10:12AM

Slurryface wrote: »

A Tramp Stamp!!!!
Are you for fúcking real

What do you call it?

Seaneh · 10-10-2012 10:18AM

Slurryface wrote: »

seamus wrote: »

I think in general the rule tends to ask employees not to go out of their way to show off tattoos, rather than a "ban" on them. So wearing full-length sleeves instead of short sleeves, not showing off a tramp stamp, etc.

Few employers would require an employee to wear gloves to cover a tattoo on their hands or a scarf to cover the back of their neck.

Though in limited circumstances the employer may have grounds to dismiss an employee if they got an inappropriate tattoo. E.g. someone who meets with clients on a regular basis gets "FNCK YOU" tattooed on their forehead.

A Tramp Stamp!!!!
Are you for fúcking real

Flutt. Shut up. You horse is looking a bit tall. wouldnt want ya having a Christopher Reeves moment.

seamus · 10-10-2012 10:22AM

Slurryface wrote: »

A Tramp Stamp!!!!
Are you for fúcking real

That's what it's called. I don't believe that it singles women out as tramps, but that's what it's called.

Slurryface · 10-10-2012 10:22AM

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

What do you call it?

I,m not sexist nor judgemental enough to refer to any woman who has a tatoo as a "tramp"

Tomk1 · 10-10-2012 10:26AM

When I hear 'modestly' = thinly veiled religious rules.
Most if not all our hospitals are Catholic-hospitals administrated by or the board being a religious order. Sounds like they just want to stamp their religious authority feet. Basically females should be dressed like Nuns.
Nothing todo with nail-varnish, just todo with nuns upset over a bit of skin, & wanting to treat Nurses/staff like schoolgirls which they also have started to dress 'modestly' aka like nuns, jewellery out except Crosses of course.

Condatis · 10-10-2012 10:27AM

The direction to the staff in HSE West is appropriate.

Short skirts and cleavage have no place in a normal work place.

Women who dress like that can have an un-settling effect on colleagues and clients. If they turn up for work dressed like that they know what they are doing – teasing, showing off or hoping for advancement by putting themselves on display.

HeyThereDeliah · 10-10-2012 10:28AM

Slurryface wrote: »

I,m not sexist nor judgemental enough to refer to any woman who has a tatoo as a "tramp"

I'm not sure why its called that tbh, I know a few girls with them and they are def not tramps. It's just a thing that caught on no big deal.

the groutch · 10-10-2012 10:29AM

seamus wrote: »

No pictures of sexy nurses. Thread disappoints.

http://img.youtube.com/vi/E8VCXA4fTYw/0.jpg

happy now?

HeyThereDeliah · 10-10-2012 10:30AM

Tomk1 wrote: »

When I hear 'modestly' = thinly veiled religious rules.
Most if not all our hospitals are Catholic-hospitals administrated by or the board being a religious order. Sounds like they just want to stamp their religious authority feet. Basically females should be dressed like Nuns.
Nothing todo with nail-varnish, just todo with nuns upset over a bit of skin, & wanting to treat Nurses/staff like schoolgirls which they also have started to dress 'modestly' aka like nuns, jewellery out except Crosses of course.

I can't see where you get this logic from, any office I worked in had a dress code.

RacoonQueen · 10-10-2012 10:33AM

Slurryface wrote: »

I,m not sexist nor judgemental enough to refer to any woman who has a tatoo as a "tramp"

A tramp stamp is a tattoo on a womans lower back. Not any tattoo on a woman just a tattoo in that location...

D-FENS · 10-10-2012 10:36AM

the groutch wrote: »

http://img.youtube.com/vi/E8VCXA4fTYw/0.jpg

happy now?

Was hoping for more of this kind of thing

http://www.zetaminor.com/images/dvd_review_images/carry_on/carry_dr_hattie_ken.jpg

RacoonQueen · 10-10-2012 10:37AM

Tomk1 wrote: »

When I hear 'modestly' = thinly veiled religious rules.
Most if not all our hospitals are Catholic-hospitals administrated by or the board being a religious order. Sounds like they just want to stamp their religious authority feet. Basically females should be dressed like Nuns.
Nothing todo with nail-varnish, just todo with nuns upset over a bit of skin, & wanting to treat Nurses/staff like schoolgirls which they also have started to dress 'modestly' aka like nuns, jewellery out except Crosses of course.

Rubbish post. Nailpolish not being allowed is across all hospitals and health care workers. It's for infection control.

All professional workplaces have dress codes or uniforms of some sort. If you turned up to work in champion sports in a suit and tie you'd be told it's inappropriate and to get your trackfsuit on. Same thing.

Tombi! · 10-10-2012 10:41AM

Slurryface wrote: »

I,m not sexist nor judgemental enough to refer to any woman who has a tatoo as a "tramp"

It's still a tramp stamp.
It's not saying she's a tramp.
IF a man got one there, I'd still call it a tramp stamp

opinion guy · 10-10-2012 10:44AM

the groutch wrote: »

http://img.youtube.com/vi/E8VCXA4fTYw/0.jpg

happy now?

Thats a sexy doctor actually....well..... actress playing a doctor

humbert · 10-10-2012 10:59AM

It's a slippery slope. First they ask you to dress professionally and next thing they'll be expecting you to work will you're there.

Slurryface · 10-10-2012 11:11AM

RacoonQueen wrote: »

A tramp stamp is a tattoo on a womans lower back. Not any tattoo on a woman just a tattoo in that location...

My 19 year old daughter has a tatoo on her lower back, but she is no "Tramp":mad:

Slurryface · 10-10-2012 11:15AM

Condatis wrote: »

The direction to the staff in HSE West is appropriate.

Short skirts and cleavage have no place in a normal work place.

Women who dress like that can have an un-settling effect on colleagues and clients. If they turn up for work dressed like that they know what they are doing – teasing, showing off or hoping for advancement by putting themselves on display.

No doubt you come from the school of thought that believes that rape victims often "deserve" it too because of the way they were dressed- stoneaged or what!

FutureGuy · 10-10-2012 11:23AM

Slurryface wrote: »

My 19 year old daughter has a tatoo on her lower back, but she is no "Tramp":mad:

No one said she was dude? It's a common term that is being used in the media and on TV (esp comedies). It doesn't mean you are a tramp if you have one.

Tombi! · 10-10-2012 11:37AM

Slurryface wrote: »

My 19 year old daughter has a tatoo on her lower back, but she is no "Tramp":mad:

But... nobody is saying she's a tramp. It's the name of the tattoo.

Ledger · 10-10-2012 11:39AM

When I was in hospital last year with head injuries, I think a bit of cleavage or some skin might have helped the headaches...:o

But in all seriousness, I have never seen anyone working in a hospital dressed inappropriately such as the ways described in the independent.

Reminds me of some of our nanny state laws, legislating for the ridiculous.

Madam_X · 10-10-2012 11:43AM

Slurryface wrote: »

No doubt you come from the school of thought that believes that rape victims often "deserve" it too because of the way they were dressed- stoneaged or what!

Oh give it a rest. We get it: you're trying to whip up a fight because you're bored.
In a later thread you'll be saying yourself that women who dress skimpily deserve to be raped. Just like in one thread you complained about non existent racism; in another you said you admired Enoch Powell.

mathepac · 10-10-2012 11:53AM

Tomk1 wrote: »

When I hear 'modestly' = thinly veiled religious rules.
Most if not all our hospitals are Catholic-hospitals administrated by or the board being a religious order. Sounds like they just want to stamp their religious authority feet. Basically females should be dressed like Nuns.
...

What an ill-informed ridiculous post. Name the hospitals in the old MidWestern Heath Board area under HSE management that are run by religious orders?

There may be religious reasons for the introduction of the new modesty dress code that the HSE MidWestern Health Board are piloting, but they have nothing to do with Christianity.

Odysseus · 10-10-2012 11:58AM

Slurryface wrote: »

No doubt you come from the school of thought that believes that rape victims often "deserve" it too because of the way they were dressed- stoneaged or what!

I doubt it, however, to give you a personal example, a psych reg I used to work with constantly wore short skirts and stockings, how do I know. Her skirt used to ride up when seated, exposing her stocking tops.

All the male clients use to love her; and to be fair she was very attractive, but not appropriate for clinical meetings or seeing clients.

However, no body could justify sexual assualt just because she dress that way.

Zulu · 10-10-2012 12:06PM

Madam_X wrote: »

Oh give it a rest. We get it: you're trying to whip up a fight because you're bored.
In a later thread you'll be saying yourself that women who dress skimpily deserve to be raped. Just like in one thread you complained about non existent racism; in another you said you admired Enoch Powell.

Well said D.

Tomk1 · 10-10-2012 12:19PM

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Rubbish post. Nailpolish not being allowed is across all hospitals and health care workers. It's for infection control.

All professional workplaces have dress codes or uniforms of some sort. If you turned up to work in champion sports in a suit and tie you'd be told it's inappropriate and to get your trackfsuit on. Same thing.

But read the OP link

THE health service has defended a controversial dress code demanding modesty from staff who were showing too much skin.

The Health Service Executive said the guidelines were simply about respect "for self and the public we serve".

"respect for self" sounds like impossing one's views onto another by force.
I expect there's allready medical guidelines/rules that address proper health procedures, like don't eat a donner Kebab while opperating on a paitent but showing "skin" is not a health risk and banning it is draconian in nature.

How does a woman showing some leg or "cleavage or midriff" make them unproffessional, oh a bigot calling them a tramp makes it so. It's a hospital where people assist in repairing the body, all of the body, classing parts of the body as distasteful in a place where the job is the body is ironic, petty & plain thick. Sacking someone over immoral showing of skin, because they believe the body is something to be ashamed about. It's not 1960.

Like any company, not all staff deal with the customer, those that do in medical care allready wear medical uniforms.

HSE tells staff to dress 'modestly' or face dismissal

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