Plan to build $84 million Super Mosque in Dublin Ireland.

philologos · 09-10-2012 05:49PM

MrD012 wrote: »

philologos wrote: »

What's bad about people consensually deciding to consult their religious leaders during disputes?

Please read the report I linked to earlier , it will clear things up regarding such matters. there are discrimination issues involved .

It's their choice to go to the imam or to their rabbi or to their priest / pastor. Honestly it doesn't affect me if people want to settle their disputes as Jews, Muslims or Christians. There are far more important things to worry about in the world other than people deciding how they want to settle their own problems.

old hippy · 09-10-2012 05:50PM

MrD012 wrote: »

nobody is condemning anyone . we are merely pointing out the problems that exist in the UK . real life issues affecting another society which we can study and learn from.

What problems, christmas?

JustinDee · 09-10-2012 05:51PM

MrD012 wrote: »

but its not pre-conceived or even obscene, its factual , all of the links I posted are fact , you can choose to ignore them but you are doing yourself no favours by burying your head in the sand.

It is pre-conceived and most definitely obscene if you wish to apply a blanket application upon an entire religious demograph, even if they fulfill criteria to become resident or citizens in this country.
Might have worked temporarily for Idi Amin in the 70s or Australia in the late 60s with her White Australia Policy. Don't think its quite the done thing these days in a allegedly civilised country as the Republic of Ireland.
Ever thought of a job with Border Control in Queensland? lol

SeanW · 09-10-2012 05:51PM

Godge wrote: »

Did the terrorist organisation the IRA ever have six per cent support of Roman Catholics in Northern Ireland who insisted their bombings were fully justified? I would think so, maybe not at all times but certainly most of the last 30 years the hardcore support for IRA was higher than six per cent up there among Roman Catholics. Furthermore, the general support was probably higher than the 24% you quote.

As well as that, how many Roman Catholic priests over the last 80 years gave shelter and succour to those terrorists, particularly in rural areas, offering safe houses? How many of those priests, spoke out of both sides of their mouth, effectively condoning what these men did?

To use a Christian metaphor, we should look to our own sins before casting stones or the atheist version, those in glasshouses......

Doesn't mean we should repeat the same mistakes ...

MrD012 · 09-10-2012 05:52PM

philologos wrote: »

Honestly it doesn't affect me if people want to settle their disputes as Jews, Muslims or Christians.

No , it may not affect you but the practice of shariah is affecting many muslim women in the UK . Muslim women who are so desperate for help they are turning to the BNP !!

Bannasidhe · 09-10-2012 05:52PM

MrD012 wrote: »

which other religious law that you know states that a marriage contract is between a woman's "Guardian" and her husband .

You should perhaps do some research into Orthodox Jewish laws around marriage. While you are there you might also research 'conflicts' between the Hasidic community and the civil authorities.

Here's a link to get you started http://abcnews.go.com/Health/hasidic-jew-runs-orthodox-roots-arranged-marriage-child/story?id=15540395#.UHRVVxVJOAg

When you have finished and realised the similarities perhaps you will answer my question as to whether we should also object to Jews building synagogue and 'settling' here?

BTW- where do you think the tradition of the Bride's father 'giving her away' comes from?

JustinDee · 09-10-2012 05:53PM

MrD012 wrote: »

No , it may not affect you but the practice of shariah is affecting many muslim women in the UK . Muslim women who are so desperate for help they are turning to the BNP !!

Don't tell me, you read that in the Daily Telegraph or Daily Mail? BNP website?

Bannasidhe · 09-10-2012 05:53PM

MrD012 wrote: »

No , it may not affect you but the practice of shariah is affecting many muslim women in the UK . Muslim women who are so desperate for help they are turning to the BNP !!

Link?

MrD012 · 09-10-2012 05:55PM

JustinDee wrote: »

Don't think its quite the done thing these days in a allegedly civilised country as the Republic of Ireland.
Ever thought of a job with Border Control in Queensland? lol

Is it civilised to rule against human beings because of their gender , just because they are muslim women , they somehow have less rights than their husband. well as the one law for all report states , this is a regular occurance in shariah council rulings

old hippy · 09-10-2012 05:56PM

MrD012 wrote: »

No , it may not affect you but the practice of shariah is affecting many muslim women in the UK . Muslim women who are so desperate for help they are turning to the BNP !!

More lies from christmas2012 :rolleyes:

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JustinDee · 09-10-2012 05:57PM

MrD012 wrote: »

Is it civilised to rule against human beings because of their gender , just because they are muslim women , they somehow have less rights than their husband. well as the one law for all report states , this is a regular occurance in shariah council rulings

Of course its not. Nor is it civilised to presume without foundation save for carefully cherry-picked snippets that cover a mere fraction of what goes on.

Ironically you're already "ruling against" muslim women yourself on account of being . . . muslim women.

If someone fulfills criteria to enter the country and reside in it, then these criteria apply to all. Not just a particular bunch that irks.

junder · 09-10-2012 05:58PM

Madam wrote: »

junder wrote: »

I read a report a while ago that said the highest conversion rate to Islam is amoung Roman Catholics ( this is Roman Catholics in general and not specific to the republic if Ireland).

Are these the ones who like to be told what to do from morning to night, what to eat(when and where) etc. Replacing one extreme for another imo:(

Btw I'm not against Mosque's being built anywhere - just don't go along with the whole religion thing(no matter what faith you follow).

Wasn't really that specific, just was a side note, who knows why Roman Catholics in perticuler seem to be more attracted to Islam then other faiths?

MrD012 · 09-10-2012 06:05PM

JustinDee wrote: »

If someone fulfills criteria to enter the country and reside in it, then these criteria apply to all.

but something needs to change if we want to protect Irish Society from the widespread and well documented damage we've seen in the UK .

ressem · 09-10-2012 06:05PM

Isn't 'super mosque' deliberately over the top?

5573 Sqm, if it was all for the mosque would put it at cathedral size.
But it isn't. It has a load of associated premises attached. E.g a creche for worshippers. Catering for 2-3 thousand people at a time.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/commercialproperty/2012/0516/1224316188527.html

Apparently in May it was costed at €40 million. Did the dollars price come from the same excitable source that added the 'super'?

http://www.dublincity.ie/ Planning Reference 3325/12 wrote:

New development on lands at Panhandle Park, Clongriffin, Dublin 13 comprising (a) a 3-storey domed mosque and cultural centre (5573sqm) which includes main prayer hall, prayer rooms, meeting rooms, general purpose room, administrative offices, 1 ground floor 1-bed apartment, créche, bookshop, library, mortuary, ancillary accommodation and two minarets which is linked to: (b) a 2-storey conference centre (2849sqm) which includes reception foyer, 600-seat conference room, 130 seat restaurant, 200-seat single-storey banquet hall, kitchens and ancillary accommodation; (c) a 2 to 3-storey 16-classroom primary school and a 2 to 3-storey 12-classroom secondary school, each with its own administrative and ancillary accommodation. shared multi-use community hall, storage, ancillary accommodation and plant (total area 6809sqm), outdoor play space and ball courts; (d) a 2-storey fitness centre (1392sqm) which includes a 25m indoor swimming pool, gym, sauna, steam room, administrative and ancillary accommodation, plant; (e) a 3-storey block of 6 no. 2-bed apartments with balconies on the south and west elevations; and (f) a 4-storey block of 2 no. 1-bed apartments, 5 no. 2-bed apartments with balconies on the east and south elevations, and ground floor shop (231sqm). The development is accessed from Main Street, Park Avenue and Marshfield Avenue Clongriffin via the internal road network and includes 192 surface car parking spaces, 221 bicycle parking spaces, landscaped gardens and all associated and ancillary site works.

JustinDee · 09-10-2012 06:12PM

MrD012 wrote: »

but something needs to change if we want to protect Irish Society from the widespread and well documented damage we've seen in the UK .

What needs to change is people's attitudes towards people different to themselves.
I illustrated earlier when referring to the shameful treatment of Jewish refugees here during the Second World War. It seems nothing has changed in that respect either now has it?

Benny_Cake · 09-10-2012 06:27PM

MrD012 wrote: »

No , it may not affect you but the practice of shariah is affecting many muslim women in the UK . Muslim women who are so desperate for help they are turning to the BNP !!

A source for this?

If true, I'd imagine it's every bit as sincere and well-meant as their stand on animal rights which has resulted in them picketing outlets selling halal meat. :rolleyes:

Tordelback · 09-10-2012 06:28PM

People with bizarre beliefs want to build a big religious building in Ireland. It was ever thus, from Newgrange to Glendalough to Christchurch to Knock. Sure we'll have a preservation order on the place and its own slot on the Failte commercial before you know it.

Still, at least I got to read lengthy rants from Alf Garnet's duller cousin, so my day hasn't been a complete waste. I think my favourite bit was about the imminent threat of mild disruption to other children's music lessons during Ramadan.

Chuck Stone · 09-10-2012 06:51PM

old hippy wrote: »

I lived across the road from a mosque for 7 years and the only point of contention? Parking spaces. The horror. :eek::eek::eek:

That's how it starts though. One day it's about parking spaces and the next the Muslamic infidels are trying to bring the Iraqi law down on us.

I don't think that a lot of people understand that many Muslims like to live in western countries because of our relative freedom - they like it too.

Mucco · 09-10-2012 07:08PM

MrD012 wrote: »

but something needs to change if we want to protect Irish Society from the widespread and well documented damage we've seen in the UK .

What damage is that, I can't say I've noticed? For info, I live in Tower Hamlets, which is ~36% muslim.

M

09-10-2012 07:19PM

Will this be a Sunni mosque or a Shiite mosque.
and who is paying for it.? Saudi Arabia?

If so, I propose we allow it when Saudi Arabia allows basic freedoms within its own territory.

Nodin · 09-10-2012 07:33PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Will this be a Sunni mosque or a Shiite mosque.
and who is paying for it.? Saudi Arabia?

If so, I propose we allow it when Saudi Arabia allows basic freedoms within its own territory.

...yet another person who thinks we should run our country in parallel with repressive regimes.

And it won't a Shia mosque if it turns out to be financed by the Saudis.

Memnoch · 09-10-2012 07:33PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Will this be a Sunni mosque or a Shiite mosque.
and who is paying for it.? Saudi Arabia?

If so, I propose we allow it when Saudi Arabia allows basic freedoms within its own territory.

So you want us to allow the same freedoms that Saudi Arabia allows? Can I ask why you want us to be like Saudi Arabia?

Because your logic seems to be. Saudi's practise religious intolerance therefore, we should also practise religious intolerance.

MrD012 · 09-10-2012 07:36PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

What about EU citizens who are Muslim - should be stop them coming in too?

whats an EU citizen anyhow , most people I know dont consider themselves EU citizens . They consider themselves Irish and Irish alone.
EU ideology is the last thing on most Irish People's mind nowadays . Thank God.

dizzywizlw · 09-10-2012 07:40PM

Memnoch wrote: »

So you want us to allow the same freedoms that Saudi Arabia allows? Can I ask why you want us to be like Saudi Arabia?

Because your logic seems to be. Saudi's practise religious intolerance therefore, we should also practise religious intolerance.

Saudi's practice denial of basic human rights, their society is one of barbarity.

09-10-2012 07:42PM

Memnoch wrote: »

So you want us to allow the same freedoms that Saudi Arabia allows?

My point relates to the eventuality that it is financed by a foreign state, which would be built for political purposes.

Thats a completely different situation to believers here financing their own mosque.

Allyall · 09-10-2012 07:42PM

Woah woah woah woah..

I'm up for a party as much as the next guy, but Islamists are terrible party goers.

All that aside, how is Gerry Gannon allowed to be involved in any development given the amount of money he owes? (1.5bn at last count).

MrD012 · 09-10-2012 07:44PM

Memnoch wrote: »

So you want us to allow the same freedoms that Saudi Arabia allows?

Saudi's practise religious intolerance therefore, we should also practise religious intolerance.

But Islam itself is riddled with intolerance ,

therefore to be intolerant towards it is actually promoting tolerance in the long term .

anyway , there is tolerance and there is naivety

Memnoch · 09-10-2012 07:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

My point relates to the eventuality that it is financed by a foreign state, which would be built for political purposes.

Thats a completely different situation to believers here financing their own mosque.

What political purpose are they going to achieve? Should it also be illegal for the Vatican to finance any initiative or provide support financial or otherwise to pressure groups? Since it is also another state?

Memnoch · 09-10-2012 07:46PM

dizzywizlw wrote: »

Saudi's practice denial of basic human rights, their society is one of barbarity.

So? What does that have to do with the freedom or not of people wanting to build a Mosque in Dublin?

Nodin · 09-10-2012 07:46PM

MrD012 wrote: »

well obviously if you set up the facilities - schools , mosques , housing , communities etc , it is bound to be an attractive destination as opposed to somewhere that does not have any of these.

What houses? What "communities"? You're talking nonsense.

MrD012 wrote: »

of course it does , sharia will be practiced here just like it is in the UK , causing much conflict with domestic law.

Theres no similar law allowing them to, so no. There is no "conflict with domestic law" as pointed out more than once now.

Plan to build $84 million Super Mosque in Dublin Ireland.

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