Free food and Coffee for the Gardai in some establishments.

latenia · 09-10-2012 02:53PM

Anybody who thinks it's ok for gardaí to receive free stuff, and it seems to be the majority of people here, has no right to complain about any other standards in public life, from Bertie getting a digout down to dossers in the public service hiding behind their unions.
At least this thread has helped me understand a bit more about why the country is so fúcked-I honestly would have expected a bit more intelligence and moral sense from a younger demographic. Another 90 years of shíte it is so.

MagicSean · 09-10-2012 02:56PM

Boombastic wrote: »

1 cup of coffee might be seen as a sh1t gift, but over time it all adds up, along with all the other perks, free in to night clubs

The court heard that a group of up to 15 gardai from Dublin arrived in Galway for a Christmas party and were given free admission to the club.

These are just the gifts that are made public. All those justify why they give gives to the Gardai because they feel safer etc. this flies completely in the face of the code of ethics which the Gardai subscribe to.

Still throwing out strawman arguments to hide the fact your original point is ridiculous I see. If its not a strawman you use it's a fabrication, just like mathepac.

How about you get specific? Exactly how is it a breach of ethics to accept a free cup of tea? What danger does it pose to the integrity of the organisation?

davet82 · 09-10-2012 02:59PM

latenia wrote: »

Anybody who thinks it's ok for gardaí to receive free stuff, and it seems to be the majority of people here, has no right to complain about any other standards in public life, from Bertie getting a digout down to dossers in the public service hiding behind their unions.
At least this thread has helped me understand a bit more about why the country is so fúcked-I honestly would have expected a bit more intelligence and moral sense from a younger demographic. Another 90 years of shíte it is so.

all because of a free cup of coffee

OTT

awec · 09-10-2012 03:06PM

Boombastic wrote: »

this flies completely in the face of the code of ethics which the Gardai subscribe to.

No it doesn't.

Boombastic · 09-10-2012 03:14PM

MagicSean wrote: »

Still throwing out strawman arguments to hide the fact your original point is ridiculous I see. If its not a strawman you use it's a fabrication, just like mathepac.

How about you get specific? Exactly how is it a breach of ethics to accept a free cup of tea? What danger does it pose to the integrity of the organisation?

How is what I am saying fabrication? please explain and then I will explain to you yet again about the code of ethics

MagicSean · 09-10-2012 03:24PM

Boombastic wrote: »

MagicSean wrote: »

Still throwing out strawman arguments to hide the fact your original point is ridiculous I see. If its not a strawman you use it's a fabrication, just like mathepac.

How about you get specific? Exactly how is it a breach of ethics to accept a free cup of tea? What danger does it pose to the integrity of the organisation?

How is what I am saying fabrication? please explain and then I will explain to you yet again about the code of ethics

Your calculations are made up. I've explained already how they were wrong yet you keep throwing out random figures.

Boombastic · 09-10-2012 03:27PM

MagicSean wrote: »

Your calculations are made up. I've explained already how they were wrong yet you keep throwing out random figures.

You were the one who said a few cups per shift and I was going on your figures - which by the way were also made up...duh

can you provide me with actual links to figures? or will I need to give you a little sweetner for doing that?

Feeona · 09-10-2012 03:35PM

Boombastic wrote: »

can you provide me with actual links to figures? or will I need to give you a little sweetner for doing that?

You think it's wrong for a garda to accept a cup of coffee, or in your words 'a bribe' and now you're offering a bribe to someone else.

It seems to be one law for you and another law for everyone else.

Or maybe you're just being facetious and/or are trying to imply that the poster you're responding to is crooked.

paraletic · 09-10-2012 03:40PM

Boombastic wrote: »

DwightSchrute1 wrote: »

Just wondering Boombastic do you have any problem with other emergency services receiving the same treatment from shops as the Gardaí?

I have an issue with anyone in a position of authority accepting gifts which may affect impartiality. Garda, teachers, developers, judges, county councillors but as this thread is about gardai.....

@ Dave -what figure (cost of the item) should be the cut off point?

Teacher who are (will be) assessing the work of their students instead of the junior cert - will it be ok for them to accept gifts from the childs parents?

Come on???

My children give their teachers a gift at Christmas. (in primary school). Is that wrong?

Lingua Franca · 09-10-2012 03:41PM

I like my coffee the way I like my guards - cold, bitter and with enough whiskey in to give me a good kick.

Feeona · 09-10-2012 03:44PM

Lingua Franca wrote: »

I like my coffee the way I like my guards - cold, bitter and with enough whiskey in to give me a good kick.

I like MY coffee hot and strong, with two lumps

MagicSean · 09-10-2012 03:46PM

Boombastic wrote: »

MagicSean wrote: »

Your calculations are made up. I've explained already how they were wrong yet you keep throwing out random figures.

You were the one who said a few cups per shift and I was going on your figures - which by the way were also made up...duh

can you provide me with actual links to figures? or will I need to give you a little sweetner for doing that?

That's not what I said. Just another one of your fabrications. An absence of official stats on tea drinking doesn't mean you can just make up random **** and present it as fact.

Boombastic · 09-10-2012 03:52PM

paraletic wrote: »

Come on???

My children give their teachers a gift at Christmas. (in primary school). Is that wrong?

When your child is doing the new assessment that is brought in instead of the junior cert. Her teacher will be assessing her work. Do you think it would be appropriate for her teacher to accept gifts from the students?

MagicSean wrote: »

That's not what I said. Just another one of your fabrications. An absence of official stats on tea drinking doesn't mean you can just make up random **** and present it as fact.

fact is they get free coffee
fact is they get free in to night clubs
fact is that business give them these perks as they like to have a few garda hanging around the place as it makes them feel safer

Would you accept a new TV?
Is it ok for politicians and others in positions of power and authority to accept free gifts?
What is the cut off point where a gift should not be accepted?

I have provided links to back up my claims about people getting favours and special treatment from the Gardai

If they want to be seen as a professional force, they need to act like one

09-10-2012 04:15PM

Boombastic wrote: »

When your child is doing the new assessment that is brought in instead of the junior cert. Her teacher will be assessing her work. Do you think it would be appropriate for her teacher to accept gifts from the students?

Yes, its a nice gesture to give a teacher a present at christmas or the end of the year, my parents always sent in something for the teacher when I was in national school. I see no problem at all with it.

Boombastic wrote: »

fact is they get free coffee
fact is they get free in to night clubs
fact is that business give them these perks as they like to have a few garda hanging around the place as it makes them feel safer

Would you accept a new TV?

The place I work give a lot of business to a bar, leaving parties etc. They give me a free pint from time to time, an odd free lunch and I always get free into the nightclub run by the same owners. Crimes punishable by hanging in your rule book :rolleyes:.

Also if someone offered my a free tv, of course I'd take it. You'd be a fool not to.

paraletic · 09-10-2012 04:21PM

Boombastic wrote: »

paraletic wrote: »

Come on???

My children give their teachers a gift at Christmas. (in primary school). Is that wrong?

When your child is doing the new assessment that is brought in instead of the junior cert. Her teacher will be assessing her work. Do you think it would be appropriate for her teacher to accept gifts from the students?

MagicSean wrote: »

That's not what I said. Just another one of your fabrications. An absence of official stats on tea drinking doesn't mean you can just make up random **** and present it as fact.

fact is they get free coffee
fact is they get free in to night clubs
fact is that business give them these perks as they like to have a few garda hanging around the place as it makes them feel safer

Would you accept a new TV?
Is it ok for politicians and others in positions of power and authority to accept free gifts?
What is the cut off point where a gift should not be accepted?

I have provided links to back up my claims about people getting favours and special treatment from the Gardai

If they want to be seen as a professional force, they need to act like one

Of course it's alllways fine for a child to give a gift to their teacher!

A cup of tea is not a bribe, discounts or gratuities on night clubs is not a bribe,
These aren't kick backs.
A free TV is a big Gift. Who received or gives a gift of that size? That is wrong.
But if you think a cup of tea and a tv are the same thing, you need a reality check.

Or are you the one who is easily corrupted?

Lots of groups receive discounts and gratuities. Not just gaurds and other public servants. I was an engineer in a past career and I received discounted insurance rates with membership of my professional body. Does that mean I acted unprofessionally?

Boombastic · 09-10-2012 04:23PM

Aranza Glamorous Punk wrote: »

Yes, its a nice gesture to give a teacher a present at christmas or the end of the year, my parents always sent in something for the teacher when I was in national school. I see no problem at all with it.

Oh well if mammy always done it, it's not as if people of her generation have brought this country to it's knees with the backhanders :rolleyes:

Aranza Glamorous Punk wrote: »

The place I work give a lot of business to a bar, leaving parties etc. They give me a free pint from time to time, an odd free lunch and I always get free into the nightclub run by the same owners. Crimes punishable by hanging in your rule book :rolleyes:.

Also if someone offered my a free tv, of course I'd take it. You'd be a fool not to.

Are you in a position of authority, where decisions you make can affect people for the rest of their lives?

Boombastic · 09-10-2012 04:26PM

paraletic wrote: »

Of course it's alllways fine for a child to give a gift to their teacher!

Even if the teacher is assessing and grading their work instead of formal exams?

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paraletic wrote: »

A free TV is a big Gift. Who received or gives a gift of that size? That is wrong.

Why is it wrong, where is the line?

paraletic · 09-10-2012 04:38PM

Boombastic wrote: »

paraletic wrote: »

Of course it's alllways fine for a child to give a gift to their teacher!

Even if the teacher is assessing and grading their work instead of formal exams?

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paraletic wrote: »

A free TV is a big Gift. Who received or gives a gift of that size? That is wrong.

Why is it wrong, where is the line?

Yes. It's fine to give teachers a box of chocolates at Christmas. (although I can't see a normal teenager doing it).

And there is a massive line between a cup of coffee or tea (dirty water that will go cold if not drank) and a tv.
Halifax used to give people free tea, coffee and hot chocolate in their branches. If I wanted a tv from Halifax I had to pay back the money with interest.

Stop pretending that you don't see the difference.

Sorcha16 · 09-10-2012 04:39PM

MagicSean wrote: »

Exactly how is it a breach of ethics to accept a free cup of tea? What danger does it pose to the integrity of the organisation?

It's not about a free cup of tea and to suggest so is being overtly simplistic. Some posters have given first hand accounts of the surprise shown by certain Gardaí when expected to pay for their food and that attitude is simply not acceptable.

I have no problem with an unassuming member of the Gardaí graciously accepting the odd cup of tea or coffee but there will always be those who go too far. Entering a takeaway and arrogantly expecting the large amounts of food you order to be free is an inherent abuse of authority and not something any Garda should do

09-10-2012 04:39PM

Boombastic wrote: »

Oh well if mammy always done it, it's not as if people of her generation have brought this country to it's knees with the backhanders :rolleyes:

Backhanders are just a scapegoat, backhanders no matter how big have had little or nothing to do with the decline of the economy, I also think that saying the country is on its knees is a big exaggeration.

Personally I have no problem with perks like free things etc, almost everybody in the country benefits from some perks in their job. Be it free tea, free match tickets, discounts etc. I certainly take anything thats given to me as we get little enough for free in life.

paraletic · 09-10-2012 04:45PM

Sorcha16 wrote: »

MagicSean wrote: »

Exactly how is it a breach of ethics to accept a free cup of tea? What danger does it pose to the integrity of the organisation?

It's not about a free cup of tea and to suggest so is being overtly simplistic. Some posters have given first hand accounts of the surprise shown by certain Gardaí when expected to pay for their food and that attitude is simply not acceptable.

I have no problem with an unassuming member of the Gardaí graciously accepting the odd cup of tea or coffee but there will always be those who go too far. Entering a takeaway and arrogantly expecting the large amounts of food you order to be free is an inherent abuse of authority and not something any Garda should do

I agree. Nobody should assume that they are entitled to preferential treatment. None of us are any more superior to any other member of society.

I would question how believable any "first hand account" given on the Internet is though. Especially on After Hours.

awec · 09-10-2012 04:47PM

Boombastic wrote: »

Oh well if mammy always done it, it's not as if people of her generation have brought this country to it's knees with the backhanders :rolleyes:

You should give it up now. You're only making it worse for yourself.

So now we have pupils giving teachers small gifts being equated to bringing the country to it's knees. As if this thread wasn't already ridiculous enough.

Sorcha16 · 09-10-2012 04:58PM

paraletic wrote: »

I would question how believable any "first hand account" given on the Internet is though. Especially on After Hours.

Very true and I'd be sceptical too if I hadn't seen precisely the same thing happening all the time in a certain city in the south of the country

Boombastic · 09-10-2012 04:58PM

Aranza Glamorous Punk wrote: »

Backhanders are just a scapegoat, backhanders no matter how big have had little or nothing to do with the decline of the economy, I also think that saying the country is on its knees is a big exaggeration.

.............

:pac::pac: Did your mammy tell you that?

awec wrote: »

You should give it up now. You're only making it worse for yourself.

So now we have pupils giving teachers small gifts being equated to bringing the country to it's knees. As if this thread wasn't already ridiculous enough.

So you don't see a conflict of interests? Students being formally assessed by their teacher instead of the junior cert (which is being brought in) receiving presents from the student/parents. Can you not see how this is open to abuse?

davet82 · 09-10-2012 05:02PM

Boombastic wrote: »

So you don't see a conflict of interests? Students being formally assessed by their teacher instead of the junior cert (which is being brought in) receiving presents from the student/parents. Can you not see how this is open to abuse?

its a box of maltesers ffs!! :pac:

09-10-2012 05:05PM

Boombastic wrote: »

:pac::pac: Did your mammy tell you that?

No, I am well able to assess things myself, a trait you obviously have no grasp of with the wankology you've been subjecting us to in this thread over the last day or so.

awec · 09-10-2012 05:10PM

Boombastic wrote: »

:pac::pac: Did your mammy tell you that?

So you don't see a conflict of interests? Students being formally assessed by their teacher instead of the junior cert (which is being brought in) receiving presents from the student/parents. Can you not see how this is open to abuse?

I hear that a box of maltesers gets you an extra 2 marks, whereas just a bag will only get you 1 mark.

paraletic · 09-10-2012 05:14PM

Boombastic wrote: »

So you don't see a conflict of interests? Students being formally assessed by their teacher instead of the junior cert (which is being brought in) receiving presents from the student/parents. Can you not see how this is open to abuse?

I said it before, but: are you the one who is easily corruptible?
Would you be corrupted for a box of chocolates? Or a cup of tea?
I call bullsh!t on you.

Next time I'm at work I'm going to make sure I get a free cup of tea from the garage. If I don't get it they can call 999 as often as they like - I'm not helping them!!!

Now where are the rolleyes smileys on this computer????

tayto lover · 09-10-2012 05:14PM

Boombastic wrote: »

It's not about 1 Garda getting 1 free cup of coffee:rolleyes:

Why do they need perks to keep the machine running? It is their job

What a completely stupid post.
People in many factories, offices etc receive Christmas Boxes, free Christmas dinners, staff perks etc.
If a garda would stand outside where i worked we would have given him a free 4 course dinner. It's good to see them around and people appreciate their presence and the fact that incidents are unlikely to happen when they are around.
I know a pub who give their bouncers a pint after the pub closes. You'd probably want him sacked. get a life FFS.
Is your name Scrooge?

MagicSean · 09-10-2012 05:18PM

Boombastic wrote: »

When your child is doing the new assessment that is brought in instead of the junior cert. Her teacher will be assessing her work. Do you think it would be appropriate for her teacher to accept gifts from the students?

fact is they get free coffee
fact is they get free in to night clubs
fact is that business give them these perks as they like to have a few garda hanging around the place as it makes them feel safer

Would you accept a new TV?
Is it ok for politicians and others in positions of power and authority to accept free gifts?
What is the cut off point where a gift should not be accepted?

I have provided links to back up my claims about people getting favours and special treatment from the Gardai

If they want to be seen as a professional force, they need to act like one

You have yet to provide a single link to show a Garda providing preferential treatment to a person who gave them free tea.

You appear to be unable to see the difference between a gift and a favour. A gift is given with no strings. A favour is done with the expectation of return. Providing tea provides no benefits for the business other then the two I stated, extra custom and a feeling of safety, neither of which could be considered a gift or a favour.

Sorcha16 wrote: »

It's not about a free cup of tea and to suggest so is being overtly simplistic. Some posters have given first hand accounts of the surprise shown by certain Gardaí when expected to pay for their food and that attitude is simply not acceptable.

I have no problem with an unassuming member of the Gardaí graciously accepting the odd cup of tea or coffee but there will always be those who go too far. Entering a takeaway and arrogantly expecting the large amounts of food you order to be free is an inherent abuse of authority and not something any Garda should do

Actually this thread is about tea and coffee. I agree that a Garda shouldn't expect something for free. I doubt very much there is a chipper out there that would give large amounts of food for free.

Free food and Coffee for the Gardai in some establishments.

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