Plan to build $84 million Super Mosque in Dublin Ireland.

Bannasidhe · 09-10-2012 02:36PM

MrD012 wrote: »

Again , the facts in the Newspaper Articles I posted speak for themselves , the truth is that there are major difficulties within the UK Society in relation to Islam and Shariah , difficulties which have an impact not only on vulnerable muslim women and children but also on the wider population . we cannot be blinded to the issues , it would be foolish to do so.

Also we need to know the backgrounds and Names of the Individuals investing in the Mosque , are they a Saudi group and if so , have they connections with radical elements or whats the situation . we just dont know .

Know an awful lot of Muslim women in the UK and vulnerable is not a word I would use to describe any of them bar one.

This woman was beaten by her husband - I witnessed the after effects when I called around to see her one day. I had a word with the local Iman and the husband went on an extended holiday to re think his attitude. Mrs Miah was a much happier woman from that day on - in fact, she became quite assertive and a valuable volunteer in the community centre I managed.

Should we stop the Saudi's investing in our equestrian industry too?

JustinDee · 09-10-2012 02:43PM

MrD012 wrote: »

Again , the facts in the Newspaper Articles I posted speak for themselves , the truth is that there are major difficulties within the UK Society in relation to Islam and Shariah , difficulties which have an impact not only on vulnerable muslim women and children but also on the wider population . we cannot be blinded to the issues , it would be foolish to do so

You're assuming that illegality is certain to follow. Another big mistake to make as evident in the past.

MrD012 wrote: »

Also we need to know the backgrounds and Names of the Individuals investing in the Mosque , are they a Saudi group and if so , have they connections with radical elements or whats the situation . we just dont know

Seperate matter (national security). You don't know and you certainly don't know what G2 or the ISS would know either. They've been dealing with terrorism ever since formed, so I'd think they know what they're doing.

MrD012 · 09-10-2012 02:43PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Know an awful lot of Muslim women in the UK and vulnerable is not a word I would use to describe any of them bar one.

you seem to be well connected over there , how many is that you know now. again all whataboutery , you supply no documented evidence to support any of your statements. Its all College Talk really , no substance to it.

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Should we stop the Saudi's investing in our equestrian industry too?

If they have a link to radical elements , yes we should . do you disagree ?

MrD012 · 09-10-2012 02:47PM

Also , why should a NAMA Developer and Golden Circle investor Gerry Gannon , someone who was a major player in the downfall of the country be involved in such a project .

wes · 09-10-2012 02:49PM

MrD012 wrote: »

you seem to be well connected over there , how many is that you know now. again all whataboutery , you supply no documented evidence to support any of your statements.

You have engaged in whataboutery numerous times, in fact the articles you posted are a perfect example of whataboutery. You seem to be tarring all Muslims as criminals and nothing more. Seemingly, when a Muslim commits a crime, they are all uniquely responsible, and apparently it doesn't matter a damn if other people who aren't Muslim also commits such crimes as well.

JustinDee · 09-10-2012 02:50PM

MrD012 wrote: »

Also , why should a NAMA Developer and Golden Circle investor Gerry Gannon , someone who was a major player in the downfall of the country be involved in such a project .

Finally, a real and actual issue/concern.

Bannasidhe · 09-10-2012 02:50PM

MrD012 wrote: »

you seem to be well connected over there , how many is that you know now. again all whataboutery , you supply no documented evidence to support any of your statements.

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Not well connected. Just actually lived and worked there for 10 years alongside Muslims, Hindus, Atheists, Christians of all denominations, etc etc.

Have you lived for an extended period of time in the UK? If so, where exactly was this?

What about your whataboutry or even your grasping at strawery?

You are a fine one to ask for documented evidence - all you have managed to supply are tabloid articles full of anti-Muslim rhetoric and hyperbole as 'proof' of some end of days Muslim conspiracy and vague allegations about the state of UK society.

MrD012 · 09-10-2012 03:00PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

all you have managed to supply are tabloid articles full of anti-Muslim rhetoric and hyperbole as 'proof' of some end of days Muslim conspiracy and vague allegations about the state of UK society.

where exactly in any of my posts did I suggest any of the above , not once did I suggest anything about the 'end of days' or 'conspiracy' , quote me where I did , your resorting to "college" boy tactics now , there is no substance in any of your arguments .

YouGov are a reputable online market research agency .

YouGov sought to gauge the character of the Muslim community's response to the events of July 7. As the figures in the chart show, 88 per cent of British Muslims clearly have no intention of trying to justify the bus and Tube murders.

However, six per cent insist that the bombings were, on the contrary, fully justified. Six per cent may seem a small proportion but in absolute numbers it amounts to about 100,000 individuals who, if not prepared to carry out terrorist acts, are ready to support those who do.

Moreover, the proportion of YouGov's respondents who, while not condoning the London attacks, have some sympathy with the feelings and motives of those who carried them out is considerably larger - 24 per cent.

A substantial majority, 56 per cent, say that, whether or not they sympathise with the bombers, they can at least understand why some people might want to behave in this way.

wes · 09-10-2012 03:05PM

MrD012 wrote: »

where exactly in any of my posts did I suggest any of the above , not once did I suggest anything about the 'end of days' or 'conspiracy' , quote me where I did , your resorting to "college" boy tactics now , there is no substance in any of your arguments .

YouGov are a reputable online market research agency .

YouGov sought to gauge the character of the Muslim community's response to the events of July 7. As the figures in the chart show, 88 per cent of British Muslims clearly have no intention of trying to justify the bus and Tube murders.

However, six per cent insist that the bombings were, on the contrary, fully justified. Six per cent may seem a small proportion but in absolute numbers it amounts to about 100,000 individuals who, if not prepared to carry out terrorist acts, are ready to support those who do.

Moreover, the proportion of YouGov's respondents who, while not condoning the London attacks, have some sympathy with the feelings and motives of those who carried them out is considerably larger - 24 per cent.

A substantial majority, 56 per cent, say that, whether or not they sympathise with the bombers, they can at least understand why some people might want to behave in this way.

How many people in the UK, voted for Blair after, the illegal war of aggression against Iraq, which killed far more civilians than the July 7th terror attacks? Why is support for war against Iraq ok, which btw was significant, otherwise there would have been no war, involving the UK. Again, one rule for Muslims and another for the everyone else.

Bannasidhe · 09-10-2012 03:06PM

MrD012 wrote: »

where exactly in any of my posts did I suggest any of the above , not once did I suggest anything about the 'end of days' or 'conspiracy' , quote me where I did , your resorting to "college" boy tactics now , there is no substance in any of your arguments .

YouGov are a reputable online market research agency .

YouGov sought to gauge the character of the Muslim community's response to the events of July 7. As the figures in the chart show, 88 per cent of British Muslims clearly have no intention of trying to justify the bus and Tube murders.

However, six per cent insist that the bombings were, on the contrary, fully justified. Six per cent may seem a small proportion but in absolute numbers it amounts to about 100,000 individuals who, if not prepared to carry out terrorist acts, are ready to support those who do.

Moreover, the proportion of YouGov's respondents who, while not condoning the London attacks, have some sympathy with the feelings and motives of those who carried them out is considerably larger - 24 per cent.

A substantial majority, 56 per cent, say that, whether or not they sympathise with the bombers, they can at least understand why some people might want to behave in this way.

I am resorting to college lecturer tactics (which amazingly is what I am) to point out the inconsistencies in your position and the logical conclusion of your baseless accusations.

Another lecturer tactic - any chance of a link to the source you have quoted these stats from?

Edit : Just want to repeat my question - Have you lived in the UK for any extended period of time?

JustinDee · 09-10-2012 03:19PM

wes wrote: »

How many people in the UK, voted for Blair after, the illegal war of aggression against Iraq, which killed far more civilians than the July 7th terror attacks? Why is support for war against Iraq ok, which btw was significant, otherwise there would have been no war, involving the UK. Again, one rule for Muslims and another for the everyone else.

Oh pass the bucket.
This isn't about the dubious circumstances behind the iraq invasion of 2003, which itself was not about muslims.
Its a thread about a proposed mosque in Dublin, which I personally have no issues with. Playing the victim is just as pithy as labelling the victim.

MrD012 · 09-10-2012 03:23PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I am resorting to college lecturer tactics (which amazingly is what I am) to point out the inconsistencies in your position and the logical conclusion of your baseless accusations.

let me guess .. European affairs ? Jean Monnet ?

would explain a lot

Do many of your colleagues share your viewpoint

walshb · 09-10-2012 03:26PM

Centuries of that catholic and other religion nonsense and now we're importing more madness and nonsense.

JustinDee · 09-10-2012 03:31PM

walshb wrote: »

Centuries of that catholic and other religion nonsense and now we're importing more madness and nonsense.

Nobody is "importing" anything.
People from countries just happening to find Ireland a desirable place to make a life and earn a living. Although having read some of the comments here from some of the Irish, feck knows why.

wes · 09-10-2012 03:33PM

JustinDee wrote: »

Oh pass the bucket.
This isn't about the dubious circumstances behind the iraq invasion of 2003, which itself was not about muslims.
Its a thread about a proposed mosque in Dublin, which I personally have no issues with. Playing the victim is just as pithy as labelling the victim.

I brought up the Iraq war, as evidence of people who aren't Muslim supporting violence, after another poster, brought up the July 7 terror attacks.

As for playing the victim, hardly my intention, and how you came to that conclusion is beyond me. My main point is was to constrast the claims being made in regards to Muslims uniquely doing one thing or another, which seems to be the general point being made in that post. Pointing out that Muslim are hardly the only ones to do such things, is not playing the victim.

MrD012 · 09-10-2012 03:34PM

JustinDee wrote: »

Nobody is "importing" anything.
People from countries just happening to find Ireland a desirable place to make a life and earn a living. Although having read some of the comments here from some of the Irish, feck knows why.

I think the why part has been explained to you in some detail , you just choose not to listen , the only conclusion I can come to is that you are a eurocrat or something , you are of the open borders mindset where unlimited and uncontrolled migration into Ireland is something you see as pivotal to undermining national identities and everything associated with nations to make it easier to exert supreme central control without resistance thus advancing the Federal Superstate

JustinDee · 09-10-2012 03:37PM

MrD012 wrote: »

I think the why part has been explained to you in some detail , you just choose not to listen , the only conclusion I can come to is that you are a eurocrat or something , you are of the open borders mindset where unlimited and uncontrolled migration into Ireland is something you see as pivotal

Since you're in the pigeon-holing mood, I'm nothing of a kind so you can knock the presumptions on the head, thanks.
Of course there should be border-controls and immigration policies. Just not some obscene pre-conceived decision based on race, religion or ethnicity as I illiustrated earlier has already been evident in Ireland.

MrD012 · 09-10-2012 03:43PM

JustinDee wrote: »

Just not some obscene pre-conceived decision based on race, religion .

but its not pre-conceived or even obscene, its factual , all of the links I posted are fact , you can choose to ignore them but you are doing yourself no favours by burying your head in the sand.

Fighting Irish · 09-10-2012 03:44PM

lagente wrote: »

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Plan-to-build-84-million-Islamic-center-in-Dublin-to-host-40000-Muslims-in-the-city-172632091.html#ixzz28drMaw1L

I personally object to this and I hope we quickly quash the argument that this will lead to creation of new jobs and investment, because the long term ramifications of this are large. We would not be allowed to even spread other religion on the street in many of the countries where the people are from, let alone build a cultural center for it. It is because of this religion that 9 year old girls can be married, and had sex with in countries like Saudi Arabia, beheadings of gays, etc. Islam has branches that are still stuck in the Middle Ages and worse, I'm not even going to argue on that point, and I think we should take active steps against it being built. There has been enough suffering due to unchecked religion here already.

Hate to tell ya but all religions have bad points

walshb · 09-10-2012 03:45PM

JustinDee wrote: »

Nobody is "importing" anything.
People from countries just happening to find Ireland a desirable place to make a life and earn a living. .

If only!

Nodin · 09-10-2012 03:50PM

Aiel wrote: »

I agree with the point made about how is there religious equality if i'll be killed while trying to build a Christian church in any one of 40 or 50 Muslum cities in Asia or Africa yet they can build a mosque anywhere they want?
By all means they can build a Mosque here but i feel only if they allowed me build my church in Islamabad etc.

Another person who thinks our legislation should be measured and made to match a third world country.

Are all muslims from Islamabad btw?

Mrdo12 wrote:

.......but allowing "our Land" yes the tax payers land to be sold to Saudi Arabia for them advance their conquest of Ireland ......

Hysterical nonsense.

Mrdo12 wrote:

During Ramadan Muslim parents were removing their small children from school music lessons ......

You've a source for that?

Nodin · 09-10-2012 03:56PM

MrD012 wrote: »

I think the why part has been explained to you in some detail , you just choose not to listen , the only conclusion I can come to is that you are a eurocrat or something , you are of the open borders mindset where unlimited and uncontrolled migration into Ireland is something you see as pivotal to undermining national identities and everything associated with nations to make it easier to exert supreme central control without resistance thus advancing the Federal Superstate

So its a conspiracy, is it?

MrD012 · 09-10-2012 03:56PM

Nodin wrote: »

You've a source for that?

yes I have a source for everything I post , all of my posts are factual and to the point unlike many others here.

here it is

muslim pupils withdrawn from music lessons
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/7866176/Muslim- pupils-withdrawn-from-music-lessons.html#

on the other hand I have yet to see any link to any article or document that outlines any benefits Islam has made to the UK society , if anyone on the pro side of this argument could furnish me with such , I'd be glad to read it and consider its contents .

LaminatorSGL · 09-10-2012 03:57PM

40000!? That's 1600% the size of St. Patrick's Cathedral. Not against the construction of places of worship, but surely you've got to question the motive behind the size of the project.

bbam · 09-10-2012 04:01PM

Live and let live.
Let them build away.

Their religion is no more dangerous than any other here already it's just at a different phase of its development. Christian religions have gone through bad phases of violence and intolerance.
I doubt it's any sort of take over from within.

NTMK · 09-10-2012 04:03PM

MrD012 wrote: »

However, six per cent insist that the bombings were, on the contrary, fully justified. Six per cent may seem a small proportion but in absolute numbers it amounts to about 100,000 individuals who, if not prepared to carry out terrorist acts, are ready to support those who do.

a Yougov study also found that 11% of people would join the EDL. Its amazing the amount of intolerant idiots there are in the world on both sides

Moreover, the proportion of YouGov's respondents who, while not condoning the London attacks, have some sympathy with the feelings and motives of those who carried them out is considerably larger - 24 per cent.

bit of a difference between condoning and seeing the terrorist POV. I can understand the feelings behind the IRA campaign but I'm completely and utterly against any form of militant republicanism

A substantial majority, 56 per cent, say that, whether or not they sympathise with the bombers, they can at least understand why some people might want to behave in this way.

As above

Godge · 09-10-2012 04:05PM

MrD012 wrote: »

However, six per cent insist that the bombings were, on the contrary, fully justified. Six per cent may seem a small proportion but in absolute numbers it amounts to about 100,000 individuals who, if not prepared to carry out terrorist acts, are ready to support those who do.

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Did the terrorist organisation the IRA ever have six per cent support of Roman Catholics in Northern Ireland who insisted their bombings were fully justified? I would think so, maybe not at all times but certainly most of the last 30 years the hardcore support for IRA was higher than six per cent up there among Roman Catholics. Furthermore, the general support was probably higher than the 24% you quote.

As well as that, how many Roman Catholic priests over the last 80 years gave shelter and succour to those terrorists, particularly in rural areas, offering safe houses? How many of those priests, spoke out of both sides of their mouth, effectively condoning what these men did?

To use a Christian metaphor, we should look to our own sins before casting stones or the atheist version, those in glasshouses......

MrD012 · 09-10-2012 04:06PM

bbam wrote: »

Live and let live.
Let them build away.

Their religion is no more dangerous than any other here already it's just at a different phase of its development.

again , nobody is talking about just the dangerous aspect alone , there are other aspects to Islamic culture that as I've shown in my linked articles are causing problems within the UK society.

poeticseraphim · 09-10-2012 04:10PM

Lads we know ourselves..wE know our national character....Us Irish are going to go Muslim in a big way....you know it is going to happen....
We have austerity and the collapse of the church here....we will see little old Irish ladies going to prayer and doing Ramadhan instead of lent...it is in our psyche this stuff!

MrD012 · 09-10-2012 04:10PM

Still waiting on those plus side arguments , if anyone has any links to articles or studies done that show any benefits to western society , I would be more than happy to consider. however I suspect there is none , it seems to be all , lets bury our heads in the sand , ignore what has happened in the UK , sure everything will be ok

Plan to build $84 million Super Mosque in Dublin Ireland.

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