199 different nationalities now in Ireland

Nodin · 08-10-2012 08:07PM

Clareboy wrote: »

typical middle-class, .

Nope.

Clareboy wrote: »

middle-aged,
.

Guilty

Clareboy wrote: »

middle of the road, .

Nope.

Clareboy wrote: »

. They are almost always cosetted in some nice cushy pensionable public service or semi-state job. .

Nope.

Any other stupid generalisations you want to fire out there...?

Wee Willy Harris · 08-10-2012 08:12PM

I'm just concerned its naive youth who can't see beyond this minute, let alone their own pockets or lifetime

Ireland is unique, and in economically becoming part of Europe we have to become ethnically european as well it seems... we'll probably end up more eastern European if anything and thats not really ideal, didn't even factor in any 'dark' people there not when the ugly white couple pushing a pram in matching adidas tops are not actually irish.

Nodin · 08-10-2012 08:21PM

Wee Willy Harris wrote: »

I'm just concerned its naive youth who can't see beyond this minute, let alone their own pockets or lifetime

Ireland is unique, and in economically becoming part of Europe we have to become ethnically european as well it seems... we'll probably end up more eastern European if anything and thats not really ideal, didn't even factor in any 'dark' people there not when the ugly white couple pushing a pram in matching adidas tops are not actually irish.

That makes no sense. We are European for starters.

Wee Willy Harris · 08-10-2012 08:23PM

Were not european, Im telling you that now. Were about as European as turkey, and that's how we'll end up

MadYaker · 08-10-2012 08:26PM

This is good, our gene pool is too small and as a result genetic diseases like cystic fibrosis and huntingtons are more common here than most other countries. We need some foreigners to mix it up a bit. Do your bit and ride a non-irish national today!

Nodin · 08-10-2012 08:26PM

Wee Willy Harris wrote: »

Were not european, Im telling you that now. Were about as European as turkey, and that's how we'll end up

Time for you to inform the world then.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ei.html

Wee Willy Harris · 08-10-2012 08:30PM

If you want that kid of secular mish mash, or tinderbox for an island way out west with more in common with Iceland then keep it up.

Nodin · 08-10-2012 08:36PM

Wee Willy Harris wrote: »

If you want that kid of secular mish mash, or tinderbox for an island way out west with more in common with Iceland then keep it up.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ic.html

Yep, they're in Europe too.

Wee Willy Harris · 08-10-2012 08:39PM

Nodin wrote: »

they're in Europe too.

of course they are 'in europe', lol far from it tbh but they know what not to bend over to

AnonoBoy · 08-10-2012 08:45PM

Tell us Wee Willy Harris more about your plans to defend the Aryan race.

Wee Willy Harris · 08-10-2012 08:50PM

And another thing; Germany may be 'europe' essentially but we don't have to reap what hitler attempted to sow the phucking idiot. Same for the US, same for the UK we didn't try impose ouselves on anyone so why do we have to take it

AnonoBoy · 08-10-2012 09:08PM

Clareboy wrote: »

The only people in this country in support of the immigrants and the ' new diversity'. are the typical middle-class, middle-aged, middle of the road, bleeding heart do-gooders.

Well going by how crazily wide of the mark your assertions in the thread thus far have been I'm going to go ahead and assume that anyone in support of the immigrants (what does that even mean?) are atypical working-class, young, edge of the road, redneck right wingers.

Given that you had some mad fantasy earlier about Ireland building the biggest power station in the world and every village in Ireland having a health clinic I'd say that's about right.

Fight_Night · 08-10-2012 09:18PM

Wee Willy Harris wrote: »

of course they are 'in europe', lol far from it tbh but they know what not to bend over to

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcontinental_country

There you go son. Keep quiet now.

KINGVictor · 08-10-2012 09:23PM

Clareboy wrote: »

The only people in this country in support of the immigrants and the ' new diversity'. are the typical middle-class, middle-aged, middle of the road, bleeding heart do-gooders. They are almost always cosetted in some nice cushy pensionable public service or semi-state job. They or their offspring will never have to compete with the immigrants for a job, a school place or a hospital bed.

Nonsense!

I think most people that are intolerant of other nationalities are either bigots who fundamentally dislike people who dont share their heritage or do not look like them or are frustrated people who have failed in life and are taking their frustrations out on others.

As long as these immigrants are living legally in the country, then they have every right to have equal access to the opportunities and public service in the country. You cannot expect to eat your cake and have it, if thousands of Irish people are emmigrating, you cannot expect that some folks might not want to start their lives here. However unpleasant the presence of these strangers might be to you, you have to start dealing with it. Hardly a family in Ireland that do not have relatives living in the UK, Australia, Canada,US etc etc and that started way back so do not try to blame immigrants as if its a new phenomenon.

As for competing for schools, hospital bed spaces etc... Well where have you been in the last 5 years? Mainly due to the economic crises and government cuts. That same hospital you are talking about consists of many immigrant doctors, nurses and health workers which I suspect might come as a shock to you. Ireland is doing well with regards to exports mainly down to FDI and most of them have to employ foreign workers for various functions and you will be so surprised that a lot of those workers are folks you have a problem with, which is quite bewildering considering that that their taxes pay for the welfare benefits of the unemployed, a payment which the Irish are the major beneficiaries.

It is so easy and convenient to come on a faceless medium and attack immigrants but far more difficult to examine the real facts. If you had made an arguement against illegal immigration, then perharps that would make sense but for you to infer that immigrants are the cause of the Irish emmigrating and having less school spaces and hospital beds, then it is not only nonsensical but delusional.

MadsL · 08-10-2012 09:38PM

Clareboy wrote: »

The only people in this country in support of the immigrants and the ' new diversity'. are the typical middle-class, middle-aged, middle of the road, bleeding heart do-gooders. They are almost always cosetted in some nice cushy pensionable public service or semi-state job. They or their offspring will never have to compete with the immigrants for a job, a school place or a hospital bed.

Typical of people from Clare to be anti-middle-class, anti-middle-aged, anti-middle-of-the-road, anti-sacred heart, anti-public sector.

I heard culchies sacrifice babies to Odin, is it true?

Pherekydes · 08-10-2012 09:39PM

Wee Willy Harris wrote: »

... but we don't have to reap what hitler attempted to sow the phucking idiot.

And there was I thinking that you were in favour of protecting the 'Aryan race'.

Peregrine · 08-10-2012 10:46PM

manbearpig21 wrote: »

solution to the problem

anyone of these immigrants not working,refusing to work when offered jobs,sitting on there arse claiming benefits they have no right what so ever too claim etc should be deported

The rest that are working,paying tax,contributing to society are fine

Non EU nationals aren't entitled to Jobseeker's allowance
There's no way you can deport EU nationals as they have the right to be anywhere in Europe.

RADIUS · 08-10-2012 11:33PM

Nimrod 7 wrote: »

Non EU nationals aren't entitled to Jobseeker's allowance
There's no way you can deport EU nationals as they have the right to be anywhere in Europe.

Non Eu nationals married to Irish or EU citizens have the same rights as those citizens (With some exceptions such as the right to vote in national elections and referendums). They can work and claim benefits for example. Don't get me wrong there is nothing wrong with that. A person is entitled to a family wherever they are from.

KINGVictor · 08-10-2012 11:45PM

RADIUS wrote: »

Non Eu nationals married to Irish or EU citizens have the same rights as those citizens (With some exceptions such as the right to vote in national elections and referendums). They can work and claim benefits for example. Don't get me wrong there is nothing wrong with that. A person is entitled to a family wherever they are from.

Not entirely correct. Spouses of EU nationals and Irish citizens can work in Ireland but cannot claim benefits on their own right unless they meet the habitual residence condition.

RADIUS · 08-10-2012 11:48PM

KINGVictor wrote: »

Not entirely correct. Spouses of EU nationals and Irish citizens can work in Ireland but cannot claim benefits on their own right unless they meet the habitual residence condition.

Well of course they have to be normally resident in Ireland with the EU/Irish Spouse. They don't have the same status of the EU person, but they can work from the get-go and claim benefits once they meet the habitual residence conditions.

KINGVictor · 08-10-2012 11:53PM

RADIUS wrote: »

Well of course they have to be normally resident in Ireland with the EU/Irish Spouse. They don't have the same status of the EU person, but they can work from the get-go and claim benefits once they meet the habitual residence conditions.

To meet the habitual residence condition, you need to live in Ireland/UK for 2 years prior to making any benefit claim.

Peregrine · 08-10-2012 11:56PM

RADIUS wrote: »

Nimrod 7 wrote: »

Non EU nationals aren't entitled to Jobseeker's allowance
There's no way you can deport EU nationals as they have the right to be anywhere in Europe.

Non Eu nationals married to Irish or EU citizens have the same rights as those citizens (With some exceptions such as the right to vote in national elections and referendums). They can work and claim benefits for example. Don't get me wrong there is nothing wrong with that. A person is entitled to a family wherever they are from.

Thanks for clearing that. That's a Stamp 4 visa is it?
But there was an assumption on this thread that Non EEA nationals just walk in and get a free car, house and sit there claiming benefits :rolleyes:

KINGVictor · 09-10-2012 12:00AM

Nimrod 7 wrote: »

Thanks for clearing that. That's a Stamp 4 visa is it?
But there was an assumption on this thread that Non EEA nationals just walk in and get a free car, house and sit there claiming benefits :rolleyes:

Very popular notion but totally false and no matter the evidence, it will persist, so best option- ignore.

RADIUS · 09-10-2012 12:01AM

KINGVictor wrote: »

To meet the habitual residence condition, you need to live in Ireland/UK for 2 years prior to making any benefit claim.

I think that's not true in some cases as I have experience to the contrary.

I don't know about habitual residence in other circumstance, so you may be correct for the most part, but in the case of an Irish person marrying a non - EU person: Once that person is living in Ireland with the Irish spouse and has been given a stamp 4 residence card (Not the EU-Fam stamp 4), they are considered resident and can pass habitual residence conditions.

jugger0 · 09-10-2012 12:01PM

Is it racist to want to keep Ireland Irish? And indeed Europe European?

Gurgle · 09-10-2012 12:04PM

jugger0 wrote: »

Is it racist to want to keep Ireland Irish? And indeed Europe European?

Yep, it sure is.

OneArt · 09-10-2012 12:08PM

jugger0 wrote: »

Is it racist to want to keep Ireland Irish? And indeed Europe European?

What has been "Irish" has changed constantly throughout the centuries. All cultures evolve and develop.

jugger0 · 09-10-2012 12:14PM

OneArt wrote: »

What has been "Irish" has changed constantly throughout the centuries. All cultures evolve and develop.

Yes but the people who make up the Irish race, normans,vikings,anglo saxons etc have, bar the boys up the north, integrated successfully, Looking at the UK and other European countries Muslims haven't integrated.

old hippy · 09-10-2012 12:19PM

jugger0 wrote: »

Yes but the people who make up the Irish race, normans,vikings,anglo saxons etc have, bar the boys up the north, integrated successfully, Looking at the UK and other European countries Muslims haven't integrated.

Clearly, you're looking with a myopic eye, then.

And the "boys (and girls) up north" have integrated, to a degree. I wouldn't exist if they hadn't.

Ireland has always been Irish but the people change, new blood, new culture, new experiences.

Personally, I'd deport all the racists, xenephobes and monoculturalists - then we'd really be realising our potential.

not yet · 09-10-2012 12:19PM

Seeing as we have 500,000+ non nationals now in the country can I ask this, how many non nationals would you guys allow into the country.

1 million ? 2 million ? 3 million?

It Amazes me that a small country on the edge of europe can attract 199 different nationalites to live and work here. Do you guys have any problem at all with 10s of thousands of young Irish having to leave whilst the same number come the other way from abroad. How can we justify allowing 1000s of pakistanis into the country on ''student'' visas who then find work within weeks.

I would like to see us implement something along the lines of the Aussies where as we only give visas for jobs that are avialable.

199 different nationalities now in Ireland

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