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Man fined £150 for throwing apple core out of car window in to hedge

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  • #32
    syklops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    chatterpillar wrote: »
    I'm saying it's not litter.

    How is throwing an apple core out of a window all that different than an apple naturally falling naturally from a tree onto the ground?

    Similarly, I wouldn't consider a banana peel to be litter, so long as it's not dropped in a public pedestrianised area.

    Of course cigarette butts and plastic wrappers are litter.

    Maybe I'm missing something with the apple core. But, like he said,

    "To me an apple is biodegradable. There are insects and various things in the hedgerows that can benefit from it.
    In the countryside, where there are hedges and probably more apples in the hedge than my apple core, I didn't feel that it was anywhere close to litter."

    I absolutely agree with this.

    Everything you said can also apply to my theoretical Irish wolfhound. Is it ok for me to dump his body into a ditch and let it biodegrade?


  • #33
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    MadsL wrote: »
    According to US Federal law (trivia quiz question) what two things can legally be thrown from a moving vehicle.

    Try not to google folks....

    A politician and a banker ?


  • #34
    Witcher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,521 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    MadsL wrote: »
    According to US Federal law (trivia quiz question) what two things can legally be thrown from a moving vehicle.

    Try not to google folks....

    One is water I believe..the other I'm not sure..something that is on fire maybe?:pac:


  • #35
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    syklops wrote: »
    Everything you said can also apply to my theoretical Irish wolfhound. Is it ok for me to dump his body into a ditch and let it biodegrade?

    That's a ridiculous comparison imo.


  • #36
    syklops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    zenno wrote: »
    That's a ridiculous comparison imo.

    Why?


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  • #37
    Fuinseog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    ThomasFlynn wrote: »
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-19846121

    "Cyril Falls, 53, who is a teacher at Bangor Academy, County Down, said he thought it was OK to throw the apple core because it is biodegradable."

    Local council needs reeling in.

    it takes months to decompose. he should have known better.


    on the subject of apples- the Ra ambushed an RUC patrol in the eighties and killed all four of them. one of the Ra threw away an apple at the scene and he was caught by the bite he taken out of it.


  • #38
    CarrickMcJoe
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    juan.kerr wrote: »
    What if he threw it on a footpath or a urban road?

    If it lands on footpath some young fella plays thinks hes Messi and starts kicking it till it lands on the road where it dissappears under a car wheel.

    Besides theres no room on the paths because they are full of dog ****e!


  • #39
    juan.kerr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    CarrickMcJoe wrote: »
    If it lands on footpath some young fella plays thinks hes Messi and starts kicking it till it lands on the road where it dissappears under a car wheel.

    Besides theres no room on the paths because they are full of dog ****e!

    What if he threw an apple core covered in dogsh**e out the window?


  • #40
    Witcher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,521 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    Fuinseog wrote: »
    it takes months to decompose. he should have known better.

    That raises another question..what time period for decomposition is acceptable? Could you throw a can out the window? Sure it would take longer than an apple to disintegrate but given enough time it would decompose and but it is technically 'biodegradable'.

    Easist thing for everyone is just to outlaw all littering, means less bureaucracy in deciding what is/isn't acceptable littering.


  • #41
    Grayson
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    I get the idea that it's wrong to throw out a load of rubbish like a sack of apple cores. But one core.

    I'd have no trouble throwing it out. In a couple of days most of it would have been munched on by nature. What's left will degrade and make the soil better.

    If it was more than an apple core, like the remains of a take away, I'd understand. But it was just an apple core.


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  • #42
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    syklops wrote: »
    Why?

    There is a very big difference from an apple falling from a tree or thrown out compared to the disposal of the body of a dog which can decay and inflict a disease, but i suppose the humble apple-core is compared to this ?. Look, if you want to be politically correct go ahead but i just don't see the connection.


  • #43
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Blay wrote: »
    One is water I believe..the other I'm not sure..something that is on fire maybe?:pac:

    Water is indeed one of the them.
    Now the other anyone...??


  • #44
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    juan.kerr wrote: »
    Raccoons and wombats?

    Wait a second....Wombats? Geographical distribution of quadrupeds is not your strong suit is it?


  • #45
    hurpederp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭hurpederp


    That is an utterly ridiculous sentence.

    Was the person who charged him an arsehole or just an idiot? Surely the person administering the fine has some sort of personal discretion over the situation.


  • #46
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,448 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Blay wrote: »
    What about 2 apple cores? A bag of them?

    Saying an apple core is fine means one can argue..why the leftovers of the chicken you had for dinner isn't ok to throw out on the street or into a field. People would inevitably abuse such a judgement and could legally throw cuttings from trees and grass into a random field or onto the street...they're biodegradable remember. That might seem a bit unrealistic but the only thing that stops people doing things like that is the rule of law not their own sense of morality.

    Those in charge of a country have an important thing to consider when making laws;

    Lowest common denominator--cater to them.


    It doesn't mean that.

    Would you think it was appropriate to fine him 100,000 pounds and imprison him for 5 years? Course not. that's stupid. So you'd have to agree that there is such a thing a proportionality. In which case you'd have to agree that it's personally reasonable to let someone chuck and apple core and not say it's comparable to throwing out a bag of rubbish or the exxon valdez.

    Now if we had a chronic problem with apple cores. If there were mountains of them and they were causing a huge hazard, then yep, throw the book (or core) at him.


    Then again, i'm looking at how much time I've spent arguing about the proportional response to throwing an apple core out a window and realised that I should have something, anything better to do on a Saturday night.


  • #47
    Witcher
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    hurpederp wrote: »
    That is an utterly ridiculous sentence.

    Was the person who charged him an arsehole or just an idiot? Surely the person administering the fine has some sort of personal discretion over the situation.

    I see you considered the wider issues involved with the case:pac:


  • #48
    The Radiator
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    At least it werent a bananee


  • #49
    syklops
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    zenno wrote: »
    There is a very big difference from an apple falling from a tree or thrown out compared to the disposal of the body of a dog which can decay and inflict a disease, but i suppose the humble apple-core is compared to this ?. Look, if you want to be politically correct go ahead but i just don't see the connection.


    Do you want a discussion or do you want to fling insults?

    A fox dies in a hedgegrow, there are various insects and small animals that benefit from it and it is bio-degradeable. So what is wrong with me dumping a dogs body into a hedge?


  • #50
    Boombastic
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    Blay wrote: »
    What about 2 apple cores? A bag of them?

    Saying an apple core is fine means one can argue..why the leftovers of the chicken you had for dinner isn't ok to throw out on the street or into a field. People would inevitably abuse such a judgement and could legally throw cuttings from trees and grass into a random field or onto the street...they're biodegradable remember. That might seem a bit unrealistic but the only thing that stops people doing things like that is the rule of law not their own sense of morality.

    I think we all accept there's no damage an apple core is going to do in that ditch, the judgement had to ignore that it was an apple and would rot and view it as any other piece of litter.

    Those in charge of a country have an important thing to consider when making laws;

    Lowest common denominator--cater to them.
    when they start prosecuting those who let their dogs sh1t on pavements we'll talk. Dead animals are not good for the water in the ditches or those that drink it


  • #51
    Witcher
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    Boombastic wrote: »
    when they start prosecuting those who let their dogs sh1t on pavements we'll talk. Dead animals are not good for the water in the ditches or those that drink it

    How many people drink ditch water?:pac: Maybe down in Cork or such they do but up here in the Pale we live to a higher standard:pac:


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  • #52
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    syklops wrote: »
    Do you want a discussion or do you want to fling insults?

    A fox dies in a hedgegrow, there are various insects and small animals that benefit from it and it is bio-degradeable. So what is wrong with me dumping a dogs body into a hedge?

    SYklops me oule flower i'm not sending you an insult, I just think that disposing of an apple core into a ditch or another greenery area from which it grows naturally and then being fined for it is nuts imo. The dog thing...well you are right of course but getting fined for disposing an apple-core into the natural habitat is quad-stupid.


  • #53
    admiralofthefleet
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    did it happen in the orchard county?


    sorry


  • #54
    Boombastic
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    Blay wrote: »
    How many people drink ditch water?:pac: Maybe down in Cork or such they do but up here in the Pale we live to a higher standard:pac:

    Where do you think your water comes from? The tap:pac:


  • #55
    Rynox45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 98 ✭✭Rynox45


    If I drop an apple core under a wild apple tree in autumn, is it still littering?


  • #56
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Throwing one apple core in a ditch is littering? silly stuff. Cant believe there is an argument about it on here tbh


  • #57
    admiralofthefleet
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    Rynox45 wrote: »
    If I drop an apple core under a wild apple tree in autumn, is it still littering?

    if a fat girl falls in the forest and nobody is around to hear, do the trees laugh?


  • #58
    Ghost Buster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    Blay wrote: »
    Do you throw your leftovers from dinner out onto the street too..at what point is littering wrong? If an apple is ok, why not a weeks worth of waste food?
    There in bold. Thats your answer. What the guy did was to conscientiously throw an organic piece of fruit into a place where it will not cause an eye sore and will actually fertilise the hedge. Sending it to landfill is much more harmful. Some discretion within the law is not unthinkable.


  • #59
    Seaneh
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    When I'm walking through town and I've finished an apple/pear/banana I always end throwing it into a flower bed as I think it makes the most sense, it's compostible and saves money on landfill fees for the local council.


  • #60
    ejmaztec
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    admiralofthefleet wrote: »
    did it happen in the orchard county?


    sorry

    That one's rotten to the core.


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  • #61
    Ghost Buster
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    syklops wrote: »
    Why?
    Apples and dogs are different;)
    Different in scale, health risk, aesthetics, social acceptance, smell, ...different...


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