Enda Kenny on the cover of Time magazine: 'The Celtic Comeback'

Brain Stroking · 05-10-2012 05:33PM

Biggins wrote: »

My own misinformed summary version is that FG and Labour have lied, u-turned, double-standardised so far since coming into power.

...And we are supposed to just meekly like sheep accept this?
WHY?
...Because the country is in a bad way? Does that excuse their stupidity and incompetence?
Have things got that bad that we have to accept this crap with another excuse to justify us all turning a blind eye and not speaking up about it?

Then people wonder how the Haughtey's and Berties of this world got away with their own antics!
Hint: More turning of blind eyes - Aaa.. they did some good though! Lets gloss over the bad bits! Lets conveniently shove them to once quiet side and not talk about them!

This government was elected to represent the people of Ireland.
This government was elected to help the people of Ireland - not rob them by every fcuking way - not by one way or another get them to leave our shores, not to more represent foreign government institutions than they represent our own Irish bodies!

FG and Labour supporters will call the above rubbish and/or continue to be an enabler for the crap that is now our government - but schite is still schite, even if it does occasionally fix the roads or put a light on a street!

FYP

TURRICAN · 05-10-2012 05:36PM

Celtic comeback my arse.
It's just another way of deflecting attention away from more cuts and sneaky behind the scenes Tomfoolery.

bluecode · 05-10-2012 05:36PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Seriously, I can see SF getting into government at the next election, perhaps when this government falls due to the stresses of having a conflicting left/right economic approaches to the problems we face.

I'd be very interested to see what the country would look like after a few years of SF rule.

Completely agree with you. A disastrous turn of events for this country and exactly the road down which we are travelling unless FG get their act together and the Labour party get real.

We really need to see something other than constant austerity and some form of a real turn around that ordinary people can see.

I don't think Kenny is the man capable of that. If things continue as they are. We're going to have the Irish equivalent of the National Socialist party in power in a few short years from now. Sorry to Godwinise the issue.

It's a real danger.

Biggins · 05-10-2012 05:37PM

Brain Stroking wrote: »

FYP

I wouldn't expect anything less from an enabler for this government.

Monty Burnz · 05-10-2012 05:44PM

Biggins wrote: »

Your free to knock me and argue the list of failures - but they are still failures and ones not tackled, mis-managed and/or continuing to be ignored while our traitorous government screws us all into the ground before and after exporting billions out of the county!

But most of them aren't failures. The government not breaking the law, not stealing, not somehow getting five years worth of legislation drafted, debated and passed done in the first week - these things are not failures. And when they have a policy that you don't like - that's not a failure either.

Biggins · 05-10-2012 05:47PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

But most of them aren't failures. The government not breaking the law, not stealing, not somehow getting five years worth of legislation drafted, debated and passed done in the first week - these things are not failures. And when they have a policy that you don't like - that's not a failure either.

They are not failures? Seriously?
You are saying those issues not exist, were not tackled as they arose?
There was no u-turns?
There was no double-standards?
There was/is no cronyism?

What country exactly are you living in and/or what country are you exactly looking at?

Good luck with that view.

Monty Burnz · 05-10-2012 05:47PM

TURRICAN wrote: »

Celtic comeback my arse.
It's just another way of deflecting attention away from more cuts and sneaky behind the scenes Tomfoolery.

Isn't it lucky that Time magazine is an organ of the Irish government? :rolleyes:

Monty Burnz · 05-10-2012 05:47PM

Biggins wrote: »

They are not failures? Seriously?
You are saying those issues not exist, were not tackled as they arose?
There was no u-turns?
There was no double-standards?
There was/is no cronyism?

What country exactly are you living in and/or what country are you exactly looking at?

You keep dodging the points I am making.

Biggins · 05-10-2012 05:49PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

You keep dodging the points I am making.

You keep making PR spin and excuses for a disgusting government.

Brain Stroking · 05-10-2012 05:51PM

Biggins wrote: »

I wouldn't expect anything less from an enabler for this government.

A pathetic comment but a coherent one so i suppose any sort of progress must be welcomed.

Monty Burnz · 05-10-2012 05:51PM

Biggins wrote: »

You keep making PR spin and excuses for a disgusting government.

Pointing out that you are wrong in fact is hardly spin. Would you care to acknowledge my points, or are you happy just to fire pointless rhetoric around?

Biggins · 05-10-2012 06:01PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Pointing out that you are wrong in fact is hardly spin. Would you care to acknowledge my points, or are you happy just to fire pointless rhetoric around?

What points?
I have replied to your replies about mine.
Please state what points I have not answered.

We are told not by some that anything that was spoken about in either electoral time was/is to be basically ignored.
It was just election speak - lets think about that alone!
What does that say about the trustworthiness of our government?

WHEN is it ok to trust our government?
When can we now take that the words they state is true?

If we are supposed to now ignore any words at election time - who can we judge exactly and by what method, the future any electoral prospector will bring to the state and people in gain?

I post pointless rhetoric around?
Pardon me!
I post what I (guess what - others too) see as complete failures!

tayto lover · 05-10-2012 06:06PM

Brain Stroking wrote: »

What i'm saying is that whether they are liars or not doesnt matter. Those lies are told to swing voters who dont really know whats going on (the vast majority of the electorate). Try explaining Quantitative Easing to a community centre in Navan. Much easier to go in and say "we'll sort out those Germans" isnt it?

Romney is over in America telling people that Obama is the worst President in memory and that he has ruined the economy. An economy that was in dire straits when Obama took over. Romney knows he's lying. People with any brain cells know he's lying. Yet if Romney gets elected then he will immediately say "but the economy cant be changed overnight, its a long running problem" - completely contradicting his pre-election stance which afforded none of that leeway to Obama.
Obama is spoken of as a great speaker. Yet he made a lot of promises pre-election that havent been kept. He's being attacked for it and it might cost him but only because what he has done since he's gotten in has not been overwhelming.

What they do when in power is what counts. Thats where Obama may fail at election time. That is where Kenny gets some kudos. He took over a sinking ship and has steadied it somewhat.

Well I have a serious problem with liars in so far as I detest them and presume there are many like me. What is to stop lying on their CV's, Passport applications or past criminal record in order to enter a country?
Lying and deceit got us where we are but people like you find it acceptable now because it's your own who are doing the lying. I find that not only sickening but very sad but I suppose you are prepared to see history repeating itself. I am not.

Monty Burnz · 05-10-2012 06:08PM

Biggins wrote: »

What points?
I have replied to your replies about mine.
Please state what points I have not answered.

You have not acknowledged that lots of the stuff you accused them of not doing was stuff they never promised to do. You have not acknowledged that lots of the things they have not done is due to the fact that they were promised as part of a FG or a Labour government, not a coalition. You have failed to accept that they are working on some of your 'failures'. You have failed to accept that they have not got around to dealing with some of your other 'failures'. And you seem to fail to accept that having a different policy to your preferred policy is not a failure - it's a different choice.

On top of that, you advocate that the government takes illegal actions and acts like some sort of a totalitarian dictatorship.

Criticism is important - in fact, it's essential - but your brand of criticism, where you attack every single thing a government does, doesn't do, or hasn't yet had a chance to do, and describe every single point where you don't like their policies as a 'failure'; this type of criticism is completely useless.

K-9 · 05-10-2012 06:10PM

Biggins wrote: »

We are told not by some that anything that was spoken about in either electoral time was/is to be basically ignored.
It was just election speak - lets think about that alone!
What does that say about the trustworthiness of our government?

WHEN is it ok to trust our government?
When can we now take that the words they state is true?
!

Coalitions basically make electoral promises meaningless, well more meaningless than usual, something Irish people haven't grasped despite a long history of them, programmes for Government is what people should be questioning if they've delivered. While I'd agree with some of your points their hands have been tied than any other Government we've had with the Troika agreement already in place.

Annabella1 · 05-10-2012 06:12PM

Whatever one's views on our Taoiseach and the content of the article,I think it's better that he is on the cover of Time than not.
International investment here depends on confidence and this can't hurt.
Time is a very influential magazine in Europe and the US

Monty Burnz · 05-10-2012 06:13PM

K-9 wrote: »

Coalitions basically make electoral promises meaningless, well more meaningless than usual, something Irish people haven't grasped despite a long history of them, programmes for Government is what people should be questioning if they've delivered. While I'd agree with some of your points their hands have been tied than any other Government we've had with the Troika agreement already in place.

Biggins seems to think it is possible for both parties to keep all of their pre-electoral promises, even when they are in direct conflict - because if they don't do this, he accuses them of 'failure' and broken promises.

tayto lover · 05-10-2012 06:13PM

K-9 wrote: »

Coalitions basically make electoral promises meaningless, well more meaningless than usual, something Irish people haven't grasped despite a long history of them, programmes for Government is what people should be questioning if they've delivered. While I'd agree with some of your points their hands have been tied than any other Government we've had with the Troika agreement already in place.

The lamest of lame excuses. "He made me do it" !!!!

K3lso · 05-10-2012 06:13PM

Biggins wrote: »

They are not failures? Seriously?
You are saying those issues not exist, were not tackled as they arose?
There was no u-turns?
There was no double-standards?
There was/is no cronyism?

What country exactly are you living in and/or what country are you exactly looking at?

Good luck with that view.

Why don't you run for office yourself?

PPL need to get their opinions out there.

jank · 05-10-2012 06:13PM

Biggins wrote: »

They are not failures? Seriously?
You are saying those issues not exist, were not tackled as they arose?
There was no u-turns?
There was no double-standards?
There was/is no cronyism?

What country exactly are you living in and/or what country are you exactly looking at?

Good luck with that view.

I think your problem is that you are looking for utopia, can you tell me where the **** that is? You think politicians elsewhere in the world are better or dare I say it perfect? Come to Australia and I will show you exactly the same carry on here as in Ireland.

Politicians are a reflection of that nation or society. Brian Cowen, Beritie et all didn't steal power, they were voted in by electoral means...
The problem is with the people as they demand the government bend over fist to satisfy their every whim. That is what is different about Ireland, a massive sense of entitlement on behalf of many.

tayto lover · 05-10-2012 06:14PM

Annabella1 wrote: »

Whatever one's views on our Taoiseach and the content of the article,I think it's better that he is on the cover of Time than not.
International investment here depends on confidence and this can't hurt.
Time is a very influential magazine in Europe and the US

It's about how he "fixed" the country.
He did not.

Monty Burnz · 05-10-2012 06:16PM

tayto lover wrote: »

It's about how he "fixed" the country.
He did not.

What's your point? How will this article harm perceptions of Ireland abroad? How will this deter investors coming here bringing new businesses and new jobs?

Biggins · 05-10-2012 06:20PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

You have not acknowledged that lots of the stuff you accused them of not doing was stuff they never promised to do. You have not acknowledged that lots of the things they have not done is due to the fact that they were promised as part of a FG or a Labour government, not a coalition. You have failed to accept that they are working on some of your 'failures'. You have failed to accept that they have not got around to dealing with some of your other 'failures'. And you seem to fail to accept that having a different policy to your preferred policy is not a failure - it's a different choice.

On top of that, you advocate that the government takes illegal actions and acts like some sort of a totalitarian dictatorship.

I have addressed and pointed out failures - then retorded to your points on the.

I cannot help it if you hold a view/opinion of other view our government.
Your views is that my view is "the government takes illegal actions and acts like some sort of a totalitarian dictatorship" - fair enough, that your opinion.

My opinion is that they have lied, double-standardised, and u-turned. I have stated this many times over just as many months
Sorry if you read that amazingly as "the government takes illegal actions and acts like some sort of a totalitarian dictatorship"

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Criticism is important - in fact, it's essential - but your brand of criticism, where you attack every single thing a government does, doesn't do, or hasn't yet had a chance to do, and describe every single point where you don't like their policies as a 'failure'; this type of criticism is completely useless.

I attack their failures and point out their antics. Pardon me for doing that.
Sorry (again) if that upsets you.

Biggins · 05-10-2012 06:23PM

jank wrote: »

I think your problem is that you are looking for utopia, can you tell me where the **** that is? You think politicians elsewhere in the world are better or dare I say it perfect? Come to Australia and I will show you exactly the same carry on here as in Ireland.

Politicians are a reflection of that nation or society. Brian Cowen, Beritie et all didn't steal power, they were voted in by electoral means...
The problem is with the people as they demand the government bend over fist to satisfy their every whim. That is what is different about Ireland, a massive sense of entitlement on behalf of many.

I think the people would actually like a government that is honest, decent and stands by the very words they speak to them with.

Yes, so far when it comes to Ireland, I and many are dreaming with the continuing present, stayed too long in the Dail elected lot!
The old guard are too set in their ways of outdated working methodology, self-interest and thinking!

RoundyMooney · 05-10-2012 06:24PM

Biggins wrote: »

Want more?

No, I think most of us can find your blog by now, thanks.

And also, thanks for sucking the life out of AH!

Monty Burnz · 05-10-2012 06:26PM

Biggins wrote: »

I have addressed and pointed out failures - then retorded to your points on the.

I cannot help it if you hold a view/opinion of other view our government.
Your views is that my view is "the government takes illegal actions and acts like some sort of a totalitarian dictatorship" - fair enough, that your opinion.

No, it's not my opinion. You talk about the government prosecuting people (how?) and expropriating property. This is illegal. It's not a matter of opinion.

Biggins wrote: »

My opinion is that they have lied, double-standardised, and u-turned. I have stated this many times over just as many months
Sorry if you read that amazingly as "the government takes illegal actions and acts like some sort of a totalitarian dictatorship"

You seem to have misunderstood what I am saying. Your solutions to some of their 'failures' are illegal/unconstitutional and/or impossible. This suggests you don't fully understand what you are talking about, or are unwilling to understand.

Biggins wrote: »

I attack their failures and point out their antics. Pardon me for doing that.
Sorry (again) if that upsets you.

As I have said, criticism is essential. But it needs to be reasoned, accurate criticism, and criticism that accepts that there is not a single approach to a problem or a single correct solution. And you should be willing to acknowledge when guys are trying their best, and what stuff they have got right.

tayto lover · 05-10-2012 06:27PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

What's your point? How will this article harm perceptions of Ireland abroad? How will this deter investors coming here bringing new businesses and new jobs?

Because it's the same as what went before i.e. more lying and more Bertieism. The country is far from being fixed and taking credit for something that is far from being accomplished is deceit. We are just as likely to go down the tubes as we are to recover, maybe more so.

Biggins · 05-10-2012 06:27PM

RoundyMooney wrote: »

...And also, thanks for sucking the life out of AH!

Takes one to know one?

Monty Burnz · 05-10-2012 06:28PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Because it's the same as what went before i.e. more lying and more Bertieism. The country is far from being fixed and taking credit for something that is far from being accomplished is deceit. We are just as likely to go down the tubes as we are to recover, maybe more so.

So this positive article appearing in the international press harms us how? Have you read the article?

RoundyMooney · 05-10-2012 06:32PM

Biggins wrote: »

Takes one to know one?

Jesus, how old are you?

You spend all day every day here, and what have you to show for it?

Thirty thousand posts, that's what. I'm here with years, and if I could number my AH posts in the hundreds, I'd be doing well.

FFS log off and walk the dog or something.

Enda Kenny on the cover of Time magazine: 'The Celtic Comeback'

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