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Enda Kenny on the cover of Time magazine: 'The Celtic Comeback'

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  • #92
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    bbam wrote: »
    but they made firm promises that they would, so they either had no idea what they were talking about, which seems to be little changed or they just said anything that people wanted to hear so they could get into power, probably true.


    A politcian say something to get into power? Has that ever happened before? Shocking behaviour. :pac:


  • #93
    Monty Burnz
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    Biggins wrote: »
    Well its not the job of my local sewerage worker to fix! He/she wasn't up for election and voted for to do it!
    Its depressing that people are still making excuses to justify one bit of incompetence, questionable loyalties and cronyism after another still with our latest traitorous government!
    Give us the list of incompetence and cronyism from this government there while you are at it. Here's what I can recall:

    1. Trying to cut stuff that people don't want cut.
    2. The health minister (seemingly, at least) trying to get a health centre or something located in his constituency.
    3. ?


  • #94
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Returning to growth and low unemployment in less than two years would be a practically unheard of level of economic recovery, the most incredible economic turnaround since, amusingly, Hitler.


  • #95
    Monty Burnz
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    bbam wrote: »
    but they made firm promises that they would, so they either had no idea what they were talking about, which seems to be little changed or they just said anything that people wanted to hear so they could get into power, probably true.
    I'm sure this was part of it, in addition to people hearing what they wanted to hear. Who didn't hear FG talking about cuts to services? Who didn't hear Labour talking about increasing taxes?

    The there are cuts and tax increases, and everyone is shocked. F*cking idiots.


  • #96
    bbam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,408 ✭✭✭bbam


    seamus wrote: »
    So the answer bbam is no, you don't know of any specific promises that have been broken, but you've decided that you're unhappy and therefore that must be the government's fault. Whinging, just like everyone else.

    They've been in Government 20 months. Rattle off some things that you would expect a Government to reasonably accomplish in 20 months. Stop the unemployment rate from rising*? Check. Attract foreign investment? Check. Reduce the national deficit? Check. Improve investor confidence in the country? Check. Reduce the interest rates on our bailout repayments? Check.

    But abolishing the Seanad, yeah that's urgent, and uh, making shapes about "Labour's Way", yeah that's important too.

    Tell you what, here's some actual ones for you:

    - They have failed to ban political donations to political parties
    - They have failed to come up with any proposals to meet their promises on reducing the number of TDs/Ministers
    - The wage cap has been broken a couple of times

    Overall it's the little things they've failed to address - minor annoyances about how much high-end public servants are paid and such. Yet people seem to spend all their time whinging about this. It's like complaining that no-one has fixed the crack in the Captain's windows while the crew are downstairs patching a hole in the side of the ship.

    *There's nothing wrong with using emigration as a pressure valve for unemployment. In the same way that our property market grew too fast, so too did our Labour market. Emigration is necessary and inevitable. Emigration is not a bad thing

    http://www.cso.ie/en/statistics/labourmarket/principalstatistics/seasonallyadjustedstandardisedunemploymentratessur/

    Has unemployment, including long term unemployment not increased since they took over.. or maybe the CSO are against the government too.
    If we haddnt such incredable emigration it would look horrendous, so allowing mass emigration on their watch has been a good thing?

    I think you'll find that to many of those who have emigrated or the broken families left behind that it's not such a good thing at all, and putting it in small font doesn't make it any easier.


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  • #97
    Monty Burnz
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    bbam wrote: »
    http://www.cso.ie/en/statistics/labourmarket/principalstatistics/seasonallyadjustedstandardisedunemploymentratessur/

    Has unemployment, including long term unemployment not increased since they took over.. or maybe the CSO are against the government too.
    If we haddnt such incredable emigration it would look horrendous, so allowing mass emigration on their watch has been a good thing?

    I think you'll find that to many of those who have emigrated or the broken families left behind that it's not such a good thing at all, and putting it in small font doesn't make it any easier.
    I'm sorry but you are in cloud cuckoo land or have NO IDEA how f*cked we are if you think that this could be turned around in anything less than a decade.


  • #98
    bbam
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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    I'm sure this was part of it, in addition to people hearing what they wanted to hear. Who didn't hear FG talking about cuts to services? Who didn't hear Labour talking about increasing taxes?

    The there are cuts and tax increases, and everyone is shocked. F*cking idiots.

    I agree, there is no way out without cuts in spending and increases in revenue, any idiot could tell that..

    However, they promised the Seanad would be cut. It however seems to have been easier to target home care hours, that way the retirment ground for failed politicans remains and those who have no voice....well who cares!


  • #99
    Monty Burnz
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    bbam wrote: »
    However, they promised the Seanad would be cut. It however seems to have been easier to target home care hours, that way the retirment ground for failed politicans remains and those who have no voice....well who cares!
    Yup, I agree with you re. the senate, but cutting the senate would save peanuts compared to other stuff. It still should be done, even if only to show that the (failed) politicians are taking a hit too.


  • #100
    123balltv
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,110 ✭✭✭123balltv


    The Celtic comeback :):D:)

    My Father was made redundant last week :mad:
    My Sister got an infection on her leg cause she could'nt afford €50 for a
    doctor we were promised free healthcare hahaha :(
    Moneys too tight to mention


  • #101
    bbam
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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    I'm sorry but you are in cloud cuckoo land or have NO IDEA how f*cked we are if you think that this could be turned around in anything less than a decade.

    No, I'm perfectly aware of the scale of the problem...

    However, did they say that given a Decade in power they might do something?? NO, they didn't


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  • #102
    Sergeant
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    Just wait till the money trees in Enda's back garden start to spout their fruit. That €12 billion euro hole in the public finances will just disappear, and we'll soon have a hospital in every village, an ipad for every child, and €1000 a week pensions. It will also mean that Biggins won't have to replace the Shift and 1 keys on his keyboard.


  • #103
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    bbam wrote: »
    However, did they say that given a Decade in power they might do something?? NO, they didn't
    Bear in mind that the two government parties ran on their own platforms, not as a coalition, and bear in mind that they have to allow for the stupidity of an electorate who expect results within a year of them taking office, not a decade.


  • #104
    bbam
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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Yup, I agree with you re. the senate, but cutting the senate would save peanuts compared to other stuff. It still should be done, even if only to show that the (failed) politicians are taking a hit too.

    Leadership is the key... not PR stunts and cringworthy articles.


  • #105
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    bbam wrote: »
    http://www.cso.ie/en/statistics/labourmarket/principalstatistics/seasonallyadjustedstandardisedunemploymentratessur/

    Has unemployment, including long term unemployment not increased since they took over.. or maybe the CSO are against the government too.
    By a whole 0.5%? Those idiots!
    If you can't see how a 0.5% increase in two years after a 9.4% increase in the preceding 3 years is a positive indicator, then there's not really any helping you.
    I think you'll find that to many of those who have emigrated or the broken families left behind that it's not such a good thing at all, and putting it in small font doesn't make it any easier.
    Sentimental nonsense. We're trying to fix an economy here, not keep people happy.


  • #106
    patwicklow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,937 ✭✭✭patwicklow


    Should be headlined Celtic Traiter would be more in keeping!


  • #107
    Monty Burnz
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    patwicklow wrote: »
    Should be headlined Celtic Traiter would be more in keeping!
    Time would probably spell it right.


  • #108
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    bbam wrote: »
    Leadership is the key... not PR stunts and cringworthy articles.
    The article is positive for the perception of this country abroad - it will increase confidence and make investors more likely to create jobs here.

    I'm not sure what you mean by PR stunts though?


  • #109
    bbam
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    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Bear in mind that the two government parties ran on their own platforms, not as a coalition, and bear in mind that they have to allow for the stupidity of an electorate who expect results within a year of them taking office, not a decade.

    No, you see your missing the point because you're talking about the real world...

    They gained office based on specific promises that they would deliver. now I appreciate that their tennure in office isn't over but thus far its been a list of disasters, u-turns, lies, stroke politics.
    Never mind that they promised what couldnt be delivered by anyone, they only promised that because the electorate wanted to hear it, because it would get the protest vote to get them into power, hardly a strong platform for government, they either knew it was lies or they are as stupid as the general public you speak of.


  • #110
    Brain Stroking
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    bbam wrote: »
    Leadership is the key... not PR stunts and cringworthy articles.

    Honestly. Stop.


  • #111
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    bbam wrote: »
    No, you see your missing the point because you're talking about the real world...

    They gained office based on specific promises that they would deliver. now I appreciate that their tennure in office isn't over but thus far its been a list of disasters, u-turns, lies, stroke politics.
    Such as?
    bbam wrote: »
    Never mind that they promised what couldnt be delivered by anyone, they only promised that because the electorate wanted to hear it, because it would get the protest vote to get them into power, hardly a strong platform for government, they either knew it was lies or they are as stupid as the general public you speak of.
    I'm not sure of the point you are making here - apologies.


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  • #112
    Brain Stroking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭Brain Stroking


    [QUOTE=bbam;81104009

    They gained office based on specific promises that they would deliver[/QUOTE]

    They had to make promises or else the stupid short-term thinking electorate would have voted for someone else! Please please please stop talking about pre-election promises. It's pointless and irrelevant.


  • #113
    bbam
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    seamus wrote: »
    By a whole 0.5%? Those idiots!
    If you can't see how a 0.5% increase in two years after a 9.4% increase in the preceding 3 years is a positive indicator, then there's not really any helping you.Sentimental nonsense. We're trying to fix an economy here, not keep people happy.

    Right..
    So where you stated they had stopped unemployment from rising, you actually ment to say they haddn't stopped unemployment from rising..

    I'm sure that those in the 0.5% who lost their jobs will see it as a mere blip on the good name of the government, nothing worth telling the truth about.


    Its either a fact or its not, its either stopped or its not, claiming one thing when in fact the opposite is true is called a LIE

    I'm seeing the connection here with the pre-election stuff...
    Thanks for helping me with that...


  • #114
    Brain Stroking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭Brain Stroking


    patwicklow wrote: »
    Should be headlined Celtic Traiter would be more in keeping!

    Fail


  • #115
    washman3
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    Brain Stroking wrote: »
    Using the above i think Enda and the present government are doing well.

    We can only dispair at the fact we still have people in this country with attitudes like this... God help us.


  • #116
    Brain Stroking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭Brain Stroking


    bbam wrote: »
    Right..
    So where you stated they had stopped unemployment from rising, you actually ment to say they haddn't stopped unemployment from rising..

    I'm sure that those in the 0.5% who lost their jobs will see it as a mere blip on the good name of the government, nothing worth telling the truth about.


    Its either a fact or its not, its either stopped or its not, claiming one thing when in fact the opposite is true is called a LIE

    I'm seeing the connection here with the pre-election stuff...
    Thanks for helping me with that...

    Yes but instead of getting in a twist please take a breath and realise that all political parties have to lie pre-election because the general population are not smart enough nor interested enough to base their voting preferences on anything other than short, sharp statements. It is sad but true.


  • #117
    Brain Stroking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭Brain Stroking


    washman3 wrote: »
    We can only dispair at the fact we still have people in this country with attitudes like this... God help us.

    I hope you all survive your "dispairing" intact.

    I will sit at home and despair about other things.


  • #118
    bbam
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    Brain Stroking wrote: »
    They had to make promises or else the stupid short-term thinking electorate would have voted for someone else! Please please please stop talking about pre-election promises. It's pointless and irrelevant.

    Right.. brilliant..

    Now the lies were for our own good and we should stop talking about them but instead be greatful we were lied to to save us from ourselves..

    Honestly.. stop


  • #119
    Defiler Of The Coffin
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    washman3 wrote: »
    We can only dispair at the fact we still have people in this country with attitudes like this... God help us.

    What are the government not doing that you would like to see them doing? Defaulting on our debts?


  • #120
    Brain Stroking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭Brain Stroking


    bbam wrote: »
    Right.. brilliant..

    Now the lies were for our own good and we should stop talking about them but instead be greatful we were lied to to save us from ourselves..

    Honestly.. stop

    I never said the lies are for our own good at all. There is enough to argue about here rather than put words in my mouth.


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  • #121
    jank
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    So the man who is elected to the highest office in the Republic gets on the cover of one of the world's most influential magazine with a positive spin and what do most people do.

    Have a good ol Irish moan. Great jobs guys, keep up the good work, dont forget to ring up Joe this afternoon!.

    Id say most haven't even read the article, saw a headline and like an irresistible itch just had to give it a moan or two. These same tools probably voted for FF in droves in 2002 and 2007 as the boom was getting boomier. I suppose you want to have a new property boom again.

    Sorry but this is the real world, you are not going to get a government, any government to turn around the sorry economic mess that Ireland had become less than two years ago, but sure vote away for the ULA types that promise the earth moon and stars to gullible idiots. " I want, no sorry demand free everything and I want the government to pay for it, oh and also turn around the economy in a matter of weeks!! Thanks!"


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