5yr old girl missing in Wales

ViveLaVie · 03-10-2012 05:34PM

youtube! wrote: »

Gracelessly Tom wrote: »

Yes, that's the reason they have caught so many terrorists.

ok no need to be so pedantic but it is one of the reasons,it works,if it was your daughter and you knew this guy knew something i am sure you would want it done.

Aside from the fact that it is morally wrong to torture someone, it doesn't work. Anyone would admit to anything under pain of waterboarding. It is a horrendous form of torture. It doesn't simulate drowning - it IS drowning. A person would do anything to make the torture stop. People have 'confessed' to crimes under torture before despite being innocent. The Birmingham 6 and the Guildford 4 have been mentioned already.

vicwatson · 03-10-2012 05:39PM

Dickerty wrote: »

That's an interesting fact. How easy would it have been for him to be recognised, even by kids around there? Is it possible he took the wrong kid? The profile is being social, well liked, popular with women and a father is not consistant with people who abduct children...

April got into the passenger side of the car (and the land rover is left hand drive), she got in on invitation by the sounds of it, it's very doubtful the abductor got the wrong child, he'd have seen her face to face.

vicwatson · 03-10-2012 05:41PM

The searching is mental, I mean, could the abductor not have driven 200 miles or more and back by the time they arrested him on the road.

old hippy · 03-10-2012 05:43PM

youtube! wrote: »

No I am not trolling,very serious. The beauty of waterboarding is that it is 100% effective, it works. If the guy is guilty he will confess but if he really is innocent they will know immediately and stop the treatment,there is no hiding from the truth here, either he knows or he does not. he will not be able to withstand and keep any secrets to himself. the americans never had to over do this treatment because they knew straight away if the person had something to hide, how do you think they have been so effective in catching so many terrorists?

Lies.

A Primal Nut · 03-10-2012 05:49PM

youtube! wrote: »

No I am not trolling,very serious. The beauty of waterboarding is that it is 100% effective, it works. If the guy is guilty he will confess but if he really is innocent they will know immediately and stop the treatment,there is no hiding from the truth here, either he knows or he does not. he will not be able to withstand and keep any secrets to himself. the americans never had to over do this treatment because they knew straight away if the person had something to hide, how do you think they have been so effective in catching so many terrorists?

But happens if the guy confesses just to avoid more torture, even though he is innocent. How do you discount that possibility?

but if he really is innocent they will know immediately and stop the treatment,

How?

http://www.innocenceproject.org/understand/False-Confessions.php

AtomicHorror · 03-10-2012 05:50PM

youtube! wrote: »

ok no need to be so pedantic but it is one of the reasons,it works,if it was your daughter and you knew this guy knew something i am sure you would want it done.

Yes, but we write our laws in cold blood because we know from experience that this is exactly the sort of situation that causes us to become irrational and make mistakes. We build a system to ensure that when we lose our minds in anger and grief, dumb ideas like these don't win out over actual justice.

cloptrop · 03-10-2012 05:57PM

I never said they should beat a confession out of him . Just a location .

ViveLaVie · 03-10-2012 06:04PM

cloptrop wrote: »

I never said they should beat a confession out of him . Just a location .

bbam · 03-10-2012 06:07PM

youtube! wrote: »

No I am not trolling,very serious. The beauty of waterboarding is that it is 100% effective, it works. If the guy is guilty he will confess but if he really is innocent they will know immediately and stop the treatment,there is no hiding from the truth here, either he knows or he does not. he will not be able to withstand and keep any secrets to himself. the americans never had to over do this treatment because they knew straight away if the person had something to hide, how do you think they have been so effective in catching so many terrorists?

Ahh yes, the old "the end justifies the means" nugget..

Diddn't the NAZI's use that excuse too...

youtube! · 03-10-2012 06:11PM

How many times can I explain it? There will be no false confession with WB, the truth can't hide from WB. If the guy is innocent he will have nothing to confess so it will be stopped. WB is a really quick treatment no one can hold out for more than a few minutes. It is true to say that in the early days of this treatment in Guantanamo a few very sadistic soldiers tortured innocent Muslims throughout the night, that was unforgivable and they were reprimanded accordingly. However when the victims of the torture did know something, they would get a confession that led to very successful outcomes.
If this treatment were applied in this case and others there would be no mystery the guy would talk or not. Literally within 10 minutes it would become apparent.

AtomicHorror · 03-10-2012 06:15PM

youtube! wrote: »

How many times can I explain it? There will be no false confession with WB, the truth can't hide from WB. If the guy is innocent he will have nothing to confess so it will be stopped. WB is a really quick treatment no one can hold out for more than a few minutes. It is true to say that in the early days of this treatment in Guantanamo a few very sadistic soldiers tortured innocent Muslims throughout the night, that was unforgivable and they were reprimanded accordingly. However when the victims of the torture did know something, they would get a confession that led to very successful outcomes.
If this treatment were applied in this case and others there would be no mystery the guy would talk or not. Literally within 10 minutes it would become apparent.

Oh I get it now! So if he's innocent, he just has to endure a drowning sensation for 10 minutes and then they'll know he's innocent and it'll stop. Well that's alright then isn't?

Look, anyone with even a tiny amount of empathy would see the problem that you just aren't grasping at all. So if you're not a troll, you're a psychopath.

Feeona · 03-10-2012 06:18PM

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Oh I get it now! So if he's innocent, he just has to endure a drowning sensation for 10 minutes and then they'll know he's innocent and it'll stop. Well that's alright then isn't?

Reminds me of the torture that was thrust upon alleged 'witches'....drown them. If they survived, they were a witch. If they drowned, they were innocent of any witchcraft.

iguana · 03-10-2012 06:20PM

vicwatson wrote: »

The searching is mental, I mean, could the abductor not have driven 200 miles or more and back by the time they arrested him on the road.

They are searching locations based on the information they got after releasing his picture and the picture of his car to the public. Apparently about 400 people contacted the police after seeing the pictures. So any location that a few people said they saw him near, during the times that his whereabouts are unaccounted for are now being searched. They aren't just looking in random places.

03-10-2012 06:20PM

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Oh I get it now! So if he's innocent, he just has to endure a drowning sensation for 10 minutes and then they'll know he's innocent and it'll stop. Well that's alright then isn't?

Look, anyone with even a tiny amount of empathy would see the problem that you just aren't grasping at all. So if you're not a troll, you're a psychopath.

He probably cannot grasp the fact that people can manipulate any form of anything, emotionally or physically.

youtube! · 03-10-2012 06:21PM

AtomicHorror wrote: »

youtube! wrote: »

How many times can I explain it? There will be no false confession with WB, the truth can't hide from WB. If the guy is innocent he will have nothing to confess so it will be stopped. WB is a really quick treatment no one can hold out for more than a few minutes. It is true to say that in the early days of this treatment in Guantanamo a few very sadistic soldiers tortured innocent Muslims throughout the night, that was unforgivable and they were reprimanded accordingly. However when the victims of the torture did know something, they would get a confession that led to very successful outcomes.
If this treatment were applied in this case and others there would be no mystery the guy would talk or not. Literally within 10 minutes it would become apparent.

Oh I get it now! So if he's innocent, he just has to endure a drowning sensation for 10 minutes and then they'll know he's innocent and it'll stop. Well that's alright then isn't?

Look, anyone with even a tiny amount of empathy would see the problem that you just aren't grasping at all. So if you're not a troll, you're a psychopath.

Oh would you stop ffs! If it was your daughter would you not want to know? I bet you would use if you knew it would lead to the whereabouts of your beloved.

iguana · 03-10-2012 06:22PM

TheNap wrote: »

Confirming the clothes he was wearing. He also had on sunglasses. Its Wales in October. Why sunglasses ?

I live in Wales. I wore sunglasses yesterday. It was sunny.

ViveLaVie · 03-10-2012 06:24PM

youtube! wrote: »

Oh would you stop ffs!

I think you should stop to be honest.

Auldloon · 03-10-2012 06:26PM

youtube! wrote: »

AtomicHorror wrote: »

youtube! wrote: »

How many times can I explain it? There will be no false confession with WB, the truth can't hide from WB. If the guy is innocent he will have nothing to confess so it will be stopped. WB is a really quick treatment no one can hold out for more than a few minutes. It is true to say that in the early days of this treatment in Guantanamo a few very sadistic soldiers tortured innocent Muslims throughout the night, that was unforgivable and they were reprimanded accordingly. However when the victims of the torture did know something, they would get a confession that led to very successful outcomes.
If this treatment were applied in this case and others there would be no mystery the guy would talk or not. Literally within 10 minutes it would become apparent.

Oh I get it now! So if he's innocent, he just has to endure a drowning sensation for 10 minutes and then they'll know he's innocent and it'll stop. Well that's alright then isn't?

Look, anyone with even a tiny amount of empathy would see the problem that you just aren't grasping at all. So if you're not a troll, you're a psychopath.

Oh would you stop ffs! If it was your daughter would you not want to know? I bet you would use if you knew it would lead to the whereabouts of your beloved.

I hope you're not a cop or in the forces youtube.

AtomicHorror · 03-10-2012 06:35PM

youtube! wrote: »

Oh would you stop ffs! If it was your daughter would you not want to know? I bet you would use if you knew it would lead to the whereabouts of your beloved.

If it was my daughter I would want to do far worse. I would be wrong. That's supposed to be the point of laws- to make us do the right thing when our emotions are screwing with us.

dave1982 · 03-10-2012 06:46PM

This is where the world is ****ed, We have this asshole in a police station saying nothing and there's a 5 year old girl in the wilderness. People are complaining about forcing the truth from him.I think the Police should use whatever means necessary to to locate the girl.If they are holding a innocent man (which I doubt as he has been in custody so long) that can be proven quickly and they can move onto next person.

I say water board him and get this little girl home where she belongs.

Rayne Wooney · 03-10-2012 06:46PM

youtube! wrote: »

How many times can I explain it? There will be no false confession with WB, the truth can't hide from WB. If the guy is innocent he will have nothing to confess so it will be stopped. WB is a really quick treatment no one can hold out for more than a few minutes. It is true to say that in the early days of this treatment in Guantanamo a few very sadistic soldiers tortured innocent Muslims throughout the night, that was unforgivable and they were reprimanded accordingly. However when the victims of the torture did know something, they would get a confession that led to very successful outcomes.
If this treatment were applied in this case and others there would be no mystery the guy would talk or not. Literally within 10 minutes it would become apparent.

I don't know if you're actually being serious or just talking nonsense to get a reaction from people

If I was brought into a room randomly and someone proceeded to 'WB' me I can tell you I'd admit to whatever they told me to just for it to stop.

youtube! · 03-10-2012 06:48PM

Chuileog wrote: »

I hope you're not a cop or in the forces youtube.

no but i really wish i was, i would get answers instead of pussyfooting around, some of you people make me sick, all taking the moral high ground while a 5 yr old little girl is missing and the bastrd who done it wont talk, the police know they have the right guy so WB makes perfect sense. this in not some political prisoner here. anyway i have made my points and made them well sometimes if you want answers you have to use whatever you have at your disposal.

emo72 · 03-10-2012 06:48PM

heres the bit that kills me.....if he left her alive, and just abandoned her in the wild. she wouldnt last long out there and could be saved. her death could be avoidable if he gives up the location. if he is trying to get away with it by not admitting anything even though he knows shes alive? and then she dies through exposure? jesus christ.

i fear he drowned her and hopes the body isnt found, he may even get away with it if thats the case. im praying for a miracle? i hope shes found in some house. please god a miracle.

namloc1980 · 03-10-2012 06:54PM

dave1982 wrote: »

This is where the world is ****ed, We have this asshole in a police station saying nothing and there's a 5 year old girl in the wilderness. People are complaining about forcing the truth from him.I think the Police should use whatever means necessary to to locate the girl.If they are holding a innocent man (which I doubt as he has been in custody so long) that can be proven quickly and they can move onto next person.

I say water board him and get this little girl home where she belongs.

Some of you advocating torture are as bad as the person who took that little girl.

MagicMarker · 03-10-2012 06:56PM

dave1982 wrote: »

This is where the world is ****ed, We have this asshole in a police station saying nothing and there's a 5 year old girl in the wilderness. People are complaining about forcing the truth from him.I think the Police should use whatever means necessary to to locate the girl.If they are holding a innocent man (which I doubt as he has been in custody so long) that can be proven quickly and they can move onto next person.

I say water board him and get this little girl home where she belongs.

Your post will have to be categorized in the retarded section when the internet is archived.

Thrill · 03-10-2012 06:58PM

youtube! wrote: »

no but i really wish i was, i would get answers instead of pussyfooting around, some of you people make me sick, all taking the moral high ground while a 5 yr old little girl is missing and the bastrd who done it wont talk, the police know they have the right guy so WB makes perfect sense. this in not some political prisoner here. anyway i have made my points and made them well sometimes if you want answers you have to use whatever you have at your disposal.

You're right, but why stop at half measures.

He might be more willing to admit to something quicker if the police do something nasty to his own daughter, like waterboard her.

Might as well go all out to find out the truth right? Stop at nothing?

She's innocent, sure, but what the hell does that matter. Lets get the truth.

dave1982 · 03-10-2012 06:59PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

Your post will have to be categorized in the retarded section when the internet is archived.

Wow you resort to name calling on thread like this

lukesmom · 03-10-2012 07:01PM

No mention of her dad. Apparently the man in custody helped with the search. I say 'apparently' as a few on April jones page say it flashed up on their screens on sky news, police want to speak to others that saw him at the search

MagicMarker · 03-10-2012 07:03PM

dave1982 wrote: »

Wow you resort to name calling on thread like this

Erm, no, actually.

But good to see where your priorities lie, for torture, against name calling. Got it.

youtube! · 03-10-2012 07:03PM

Thrill wrote: »

You're right, but why stop at half measures.

He might be more willing to admit to something quicker if the police do something nasty to his own daughter, like waterboard her.

Might as well go all out to find out the truth right? Stop at nothing?

She's innocent, sure, but what the hell does that matter. Lets get the truth.

WTF????

, its simple they would know in a few short minutes if this guy knew something. i dont know what you are rabbiting on about,too many PC folk on here who care more about the rights of the accused than the rights of an innocent little girl!! ye make me sick!

5yr old girl missing in Wales

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