Bouncers/ Clubs rights

kippy · 29-09-2012 10:26PM

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

That's exactly the attitude I'd expect from someone doing one of those jobs.

You might not be an arse hole. I know a few bouncers who aren't arse holes just like I've met a few guards and those in the army who aren't, but a vast majority of these people are, and it's what attracts them to the job.

You may want to take a long hard look in the mirror. If you perceive the vast majority of these people to be "arseholes" - you're probably giving them good reason to be....

moy83 · 29-09-2012 10:28PM

Melion wrote: »

Im quite happy going to work earning more in a night than a lot of people do in a week.

How much do you earn in a night ?

Pottler · 29-09-2012 10:28PM

Melion wrote: »

Easy money in this day and age? Whats the problem with that?

Bouncer pay is absolutely crap, so I'm not really believing you on this one. My guess €60-€80 maybe €100 tops a night. BTW my good buddy has c.a 80 bouncers working for him so this is not really a stab in the dark either. For that, you will be handed sh1t and grief, usually by the shovelfull.

BhoscaCapall · 29-09-2012 10:28PM

kippy wrote: »

You may want to take a long hard look in the mirror. If you perceive the vast majority of these people to be "arseholes" - you're probably giving them good reason to be....

That's the classic excuse, but unfortunately for your assumptions I have no form of criminal record and I could count on one hand how many times I've been ejected from a nightclub in 7 years.

Melion · 29-09-2012 10:29PM

moy83 wrote: »

How much do you earn in a night ?

Depending on hours, more than the basic social welfare payment.

kippy · 29-09-2012 10:29PM

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

That's the classic excuse, but unfortunately for your assumptions I have no form of criminal record and I could count on one hand how many times I've been ejected from a nightclub in 7 years.

So where does you're vast experience of dealing with these professions come from?
What's your sample size?

Melion · 29-09-2012 10:30PM

Pottler wrote: »

Bouncer pay is absolutely crap, so I'm not really believing you on this one.

And you know that how exactly? I dont care if you believe me or not, i know its true.

humbert · 29-09-2012 10:31PM

Melion wrote: »

Easy money in this day and age? Whats the problem with that?

You're boasting in a boorish and egotistical manner that adds weight to the negative stereotype of bouncers.

BhoscaCapall · 29-09-2012 10:31PM

kippy wrote: »

So where does you're vast experience of dealing with these professions come from?
What's your sample size?

Going out 1-3 nights a week, multiple premises each night, for 7-8 years. Also working with these people, chatting to them etc

Do the calculations if it has you that interested.

Any more excuses?

Melion · 29-09-2012 10:33PM

humbert wrote: »

You're boasting in a boorish and egotistical manner that adds weight to the negative stereotype of bouncers.

Im not boasting in the slightest bit, i know im lucky to have the job in the current climate.

BhoscaCapall · 29-09-2012 10:33PM

humbert wrote: »

You're boasting in a boorish and egotistical manner that adds weight to the negative stereotype of bouncers.

The "I have no qualms with what I do as long as I make money" attitude completely vindicates the stereotype. By not even realising this he's almost vindicating another bouncer stereotype...

Anyways it's time to stop posting here as apparently not agreeing with someone is "trolling". lolboardsie

moy83 · 29-09-2012 10:34PM

Melion wrote: »

Depending on hours, more than the basic social welfare payment.

A couple of fellas I know reckon its hard to get more than 50 squids a night but they like the social aspect of it :rolleyes:

Melion · 29-09-2012 10:34PM

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

The "I have no qualms with what I do as long as I make money" attitude completely vindicates the stereotype. By not even realising this he's almost vindicating another bouncer stereotype...

Anyways it's time to stop posting here as apparently not agreeing with someone is "trolling". lolboardsie

I know i am very good at my job, i earn the money without too much hassle. I am not vindicating anything, im probably using too many big words for a doorman anyway, we arent supposed to be in any way educated.

hatrickpatrick · 29-09-2012 10:34PM

Melion wrote: »

No, most drunk people in a club are arseholes who then try to blame the doorman when they are put out for acting the complete cúnt.

Bullsh*t. I go out often enough to know bouncers all over Dublin, and I can tell you that some are decent people and some are pr!cks. Sadly, the latter is far more prevalent.

I was refused entry to a club I'm a weekly regular of by a bouncer one night, I had no drink whatsoever that night, he gave me no reason except some BS about me being kicked out the week before (I wasn't) and was extremely obnoxious to me for the rest of the night. Later on a different bouncer let me in no problem. Was in the club for 2 hours and the original bouncer saw me and threw me out, again for no reason whatsoever.

Went home very angry, sent a strongly worded email to the company which owns the club, telling them I'd have no problem telling the world about the incident on their Facebook page if they didn't cop themselves on (another nightclub in Dublin had closed down the week before due to a massive Facebook boycott over some kind of drink promotion advertising thing).

Got a full apology, free in the following week, they told me they'd investigate and take action, and I have never seen that particular bouncer there since (this was ages ago and I'm still a regular).

Some bouncers are very pleasant to deal with, some are assh0les. Being a doorman is just like any other customer service job involving direct interaction with people - if you're a douche, you shouldn't be working there. In this case the club valued their customers more. Proper order.

Pottler · 29-09-2012 10:35PM

Melion wrote: »

And you know that how exactly? I dont care if you believe me or not, i know its true.

I know that because I was a Bouncer in Londons west end and I'm friends with some of the people who run Galways doors and a fair few who run a lot of Dublins doors. Funny who you meet on the internet.:) Unless you are a supervisor and a very talented one at that, you're on c.a €80-€100 if it's a good club. To me, the rest is suspect/bull. You can feed pigs with Bouncers, especially since the influx of larger Eastern European lads. Scarce they are not.

Melion · 29-09-2012 10:35PM

moy83 wrote: »

A couple of fellas I know reckon its hard to get more than 50 squids a night but they like the social aspect of it :rolleyes:

Well they need to leave wherever they are working. Although no doubt they love the sexual favours, i know lads like that too.

df1985 · 29-09-2012 10:35PM

oh to be 18 again.

kippy · 29-09-2012 10:38PM

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

Going out 1-3 nights a week, multiple premises each night, for 7-8 years. Also working with these people, chatting to them etc

Do the calculations if it has you that interested.

Any more excuses?

Then you know what you are talking about.
The VAST majority of those in those professions are arseholes.
You've heard it here first on boards.ie from a person who knows it all.

p1nm101 · 29-09-2012 10:38PM

I'm not saying that all bouncers are like that. All im saying is that these guys were going out of their way to kick my friend out and not talk to him. Melion, you may not be the type that was working their last night, or may not know these type of people but they DID kick him out for no reason...

Melion · 29-09-2012 10:39PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I was refused entry to a club I'm a weekly regular of by a bouncer one night, I had no drink whatsoever that night, he gave me no reason except some BS about me being kicked out the week before (I wasn't) and was extremely obnoxious to me for the rest of the night. Later on a different bouncer let me in no problem. Was in the club for 2 hours and the original bouncer saw me and threw me out, again for no reason whatsoever.

So you were refused entry to the club, yet hung around for long enough for this man to be "obnoxious to you for the rest of the night". Then you were allowed in by another doorman for 2 hours and then put out by the original guy?

Why hang around long enough for him to be "obnoxious for the rest of the night" if you were refused entry?

Melion · 29-09-2012 10:40PM

p1nm101 wrote: »

I'm not saying that all bouncers are like that. All im saying is that these guys were going out of their way to kick my friend out and not talk to him. Melion, you may not be the type that was working their last night, or may not know these type of people but they DID kick him out for no reason...

People do not get kicked out for no reason, it does not happen. You already said that you know why he was kicked out and asked to see the video evidence. What video evidence did you want to see if he didnt do anything?

jaffacakesyum · 29-09-2012 10:40PM

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

That's the classic excuse, but unfortunately for your assumptions I have no form of criminal record and I could count on one hand how many times I've been ejected from a nightclub in 7 years.

I'd be inclined to agree with you, while realising that my sample size is never going to be big enough to make a generalisation.

But, in my experience - and just my experience only - the vast majority of bouncers act like dicks.

I've never gotten kicked out of a nightclub now, this is just observing them kick out/refuse people at the door. Some, my friends. Some not.

I've been refused twice. The first time was to a gay club, where me and my 3 sober friends (all girls) were refused for no reason. Bouncer wouldnt give us one. But I'd imagine it was because we all looked "too straight". This is a common complaint among feminine looking gay/bi women with gay clubs.

The second time was to a club on Paddys day and, while I was probably no drunker than a lot of people in the club that night, I realise I was quite drunk so in that case the bouncer had his reasons.

But I've been fully sober going into places with friends, and bouncers will act like dicks refusing people - men usually - for no reason. I've never met a polite bouncer. That's not to say that every experience has been a bouncer treating someone unfairly, but just that even on nights where there's no incidences, the bouncer still wouldn't be friendly or polite or anything. T

he most ridiculous, I thought was one night when a bouncer kicked my friend out for being ''agressive''. He was talking to his best friend and they were joking, there was a long running private joke and he said rather loudly to him, with a smile on his face, "Ah but you're just a big prick!!" and the two of them laughed and the bouncer kicked him out for that.

kippy · 29-09-2012 10:40PM

A group of 40 18 year olds most likely tanked up with beer they'd been having while drinking at home earlier arrive in NAAS and every single one of them behave like little angles.
The OP and his group suffer an injustice worse than that of the Birmingham Six. Give me a break lads.

hatrickpatrick · 29-09-2012 10:41PM

@Melion would you agree with my post over the page about a lot of bouncers being extremely obnoxious? Note I didn't say all, I said I can tell the difference.
As I said, the one who screwed me over doesn't seem to be there anymore and I highly doubt they'd get rid of someone just because one guy complained, they probably got a ton of complaints.

There was a photograph doing the rounds over the summer of a guy with horrific facial injuries after some bouncers beat him up, are you going to tell me "he probably deserved it", as if it's ok for bouncers to greviously assault someone under some circumstances?

hatrickpatrick · 29-09-2012 10:42PM

Melion wrote: »

So you were refused entry to the club, yet hung around for long enough for this man to be "obnoxious to you for the rest of the night". Then you were allowed in by another doorman for 2 hours and then put out by the original guy?

Why hang around long enough for him to be "obnoxious for the rest of the night" if you were refused entry?

Because I hadn't done anything wrong and all my friends were inside. I asked him for an explanation and he told me to f*ck myself.
When his shift changed the other bouncer let me in no problem, so clearly the only one with an issue was that guy.

PhlegmyMoses · 29-09-2012 10:44PM

The truth is somewhere in between. I've been too drunk to be let in by bouncers once or twice and they've been a dick to me once or twice. But then, I've been out hundreds of times in my life and have probably had 5 interactions with them. That's how it should be.

cafecolour · 29-09-2012 10:44PM

Bouncers tend to be more cautious of bigger groups of people, cause if one starts acting up and needs to be removed, the rest of his mates could decide to get his back, and then they've got a full one war on their hands.

It's pretty simple. A club is a business that attracts people who want to have a good time, and sometimes arseholes who cause other people to have a bad time (especially when they get drunk). An arsehole is much harder to deal with if they act up in a club - you have to getting them out is more difficult than leaving them out, and they've already ruined peoples' night - people affected drink less, leave earlier. Too many arseholes and the club gets a bad rep and people stop coming.

On the other hand, if you leave someone out who wasn't going to cause a problem, then it's a loss of good money they would've spent that night, and maybe a loss of a customer for good.

So ideally you keep out the people who'll cause trouble and let in everyone else. However, trying to predict the future (who'll cause trouble) is difficult. Some bouncers are better than others.

Honestly, only a small minority of bouncers in my experience are on a power trip. Most just want a drama/conflict free 'day on the job' and go home. Don't believe me? Compare the turnover in security at your local 'knacker' club (generally very high) to the turnover in the local upscale/minimal fights club (generally very low). Bouncers generally prefer to work where there's less trouble.

Melion · 29-09-2012 10:45PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

@Melion would you agree with my post over the page about a lot of bouncers being extremely obnoxious? Note I didn't say all, I said I can tell the difference.
As I said, the one who screwed me over doesn't seem to be there anymore and I highly doubt they'd get rid of someone just because one guy complained, they probably got a ton of complaints.

There was a photograph doing the rounds over the summer of a guy with horrific facial injuries after some bouncers beat him up, are you going to tell me "he probably deserved it", as if it's ok for bouncers to greviously assault someone under some circumstances?

Ive met plenty who i considered obnoxious, then i worked with them and realised they were sound lads.

What photograph? Was there 100% evidence that doormen did it? I know in my years working doors that i have never punched or hit anyone, anybody that i have had to put out has been restrained properly and made to leave.

kippy · 29-09-2012 10:46PM

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

Going out 1-3 nights a week, multiple premises each night, for 7-8 years. Also working with these people, chatting to them etc

Do the calculations if it has you that interested.

Any more excuses?

I'll give you my sample size now.

Remembering being 18, knowing the kind of wankactery that 18 years olds can get up to, knowing that things definetly haven't changed in that respect. Realising the OP was with another 39 18 year olds tanked up from cheaper drink at home (most likely). Knowing that at that age you sometimes think the whole world is out to "ruin" your night out with your mates.

I know lots of people in the professions that you believe are full of arseholes, have been going out a lot longer than you have, indeed have been escorted from premises on occassion and indeed not given entry on occasion. I've worked in bars and clubs all over the shop as well as deal with members of the traffic corps on a regular basis.
They are all trying to do their job within environments that are not always the best.

Melion · 29-09-2012 10:46PM

cafecolour wrote: »

Honestly, only a small minority of bouncers in my experience are on a power trip. Most just want a drama/conflict free 'day on the job' and go home. Don't believe me? Compare the turnover in security at your local 'knacker' club (generally very high) to the turnover in the local upscale/minimal fights club (generally very low). Bouncers generally prefer to work where there's less trouble.

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