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The “Innocence of Muslims” And The Hypocrisy of Non-Muslims

  • 29-09-2012 12:57PM
    #1
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    The spate of racist anti-Muslim/pro-Israel ads that have sprung up throughout New York’s subways have been widely condemned but permitted on on the grounds of freedom of speech. The ads which had previously appeared in San Francisco were taken out by the American Freedom Defense Initative (AFDI) who are spearheaded by notorious Islam-bashers Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller, who had personal contact with Morris Sadek, the Egyptian-Copt behind the “Innocence of Muslims” film.

    However, “freedom of speech” for all it’s unquestionable merits has been abused by the gatekeepers to villify “the savage” and “support the civilized man” – the Arab/Muslims semitic cousins.

    Case in point being the contrast between the courts acceptance to display Spencer and Geller’s hate-filled message in the public transport system with an anti-Israel ads which were to appear in King County with the tagline “Israeli war crimes, your tax dollars at work”. The respective judges ruling on:

    Anti-Islam Ad:

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    The judge, Paul A. Engelmayer of Federal District Court, ruled that the rejected ad was “not only protected speech — it is core political speech,”
    Source

    Anti-Israel Ad:

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    The Court also determined that in light of the undisputed facts regarding the purpose of the forum and the factual basis for King County’s application of its policy in this case, King County’s decision to cancel the SeaMAC Ad was both reasonable and viewpoint-neutral.
    Source

    Charlie Hebdo and The Sine Affair

    The hypocrisy on display is undeniable though far from unique and not exclusive to the USA. Another to pour fuel onto the flames of the already raging inferno of Islamic-Western tension was the French Magazine Charlie Hebdo who decided to run provocative cartoons of a turbaned, naked Mohammed.

    The magazine defended it’s right to publish the caricatures on the grounds of “freedom”
    He says nothing wrong has been done, and that his magazine has not infringed French law, as a publication has the right to use the freedom to run critical or satirical cartoons.
    Source

    The French magazine clearly has the freedom and desire to insult Muslims yet the same “freedom” evidently didn’t apply when the criticism is focused on Jews.

    Maurice Siné had been a contributor to Charlie Hebdo for twenty years when in 2008 he published an “anti-semitic” comment in his satirical column suggesting that Jean Sarkozy, the son of the former French President was set to convert to Judaism prior to his marriage to his fiance; a Jewish heiress, to improve his career prospects.

    Sine’s offending comments:
    ‘He’ll go a long way in life, this lad!’
    Source
    Sine was then ordered to apologise by the magazine but he refused and was duly sacked. The Guardian reported:
    The piece was published without controversy – until several days later, when a radio presenter referred to it as anti-Semitic. The families of those concerned were said to be ‘sickened’. Val, who took the controversial decision to re-publish a Danish newspaper’s cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed two years ago in the name of freedom of the press, agreed that the piece was offensive and told its author to apologise.

    Siné refused, saying he would rather ‘cut his own nuts off’ and was, more or less, fired. Cue outrage, argument, counter argument, argument. Was the original statement anti-Semitic? For Val, there was no doubt. Siné’s statements, he said last week, ‘could be interpreted as making a link between conversion to Judaism and social success’ and that they spread the old stereotype associating Jews and money.

    Source

    Max Blumenthal, Death Threats and The Hypocrisy of Google.

    Proving that Islam is not uniquely prone to violence Sine, 79, was targeted with death threats by the terrorist outfit the Jewish Defense League (JDL). Who threatened
    20 centimeters of stainless steel in the stomach, it could well teach the bastard to stop and think.”

    Source
    Another to receive death threats was Jewish journalist/filmmaker Max Blumenthal who received numerous death threats for being a “self-hating Jew” after producing a film critical of the attitudes of Israelis.

    (You can watch the film here: Feeling The Hate In Jerusalem — The Censored Video from Max Blumenthal on Vimeo. )

    Blumenthal’s film went the way of The Palestinian Media Watch who had their account banned for “hatespeech” while Blumenthal’s film was banned from Youtube due to “innapropriate content”.

    And Google/Youtube’s response to the “hatespeech” and innapropriate content” contained in the Innocence of Muslims trailer?
    They denied a White House request to take down the film – all in the name of “freedom” of course.


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Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Why do you keep trying to stir the sh*t?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,109 ✭✭✭MaxSteele


    You need to face facts BB.

    No one cares about sad, deluded ****ers who whinge, bitch and moan like children in prams all because some imaginary c*nt they're lives revolve around comes under criticism.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭fitz0


    Yes, BB, it's all a Jewish plot to fund an anti-Islam industry.

    Your anti-Jewish agenda is quite clear. Your constant attacks on Jews and the horrors they've suffered is sickening anne frankly I'm sick of it.


  • Posts: 4,630 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    fitz0 wrote: »
    Yes, BB, it's all a Jewish plot to fund an anti-Islam industry.

    Your anti-Jewish agenda is quite clear. Your constant attacks on Jews and the horrors they've suffered is sickening anne frankly I'm sick of it.

    I agree.

    Frankly, BB's behaviour is nothing short of Jewvenile.


  • Posts: 81,309 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Ernesto Cold Camper


    gvn wrote: »
    I agree.

    Frankly, BB's behaviour is nothing short of Jewvenile.

    It's no gas craic anymore


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭fitz0


    Aus witz it now BB, you don't really believe this stuff do you?


  • Posts: 4,630 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    bluewolf wrote: »
    It's no gas craic anymore

    That's almost taking it too far ... please don't take it any fuhrer.


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    fitz0 wrote: »
    Yes, BB, it's all a Jewish plot to fund an anti-Islam industry.
    ???
    I have pointed out instances of hypocrisy by the gatekeepers of freedom of speech. Do you dispute any of the examples?
    fitz0 wrote: »
    Your anti-Jewish agenda is quite clear. Your constant attacks on Jews and the horrors they've suffered is sickening anne frankly I'm sick of it.
    Nice pun, but otherwise all your empty bluster and blather is nothing more than that. Nothing that I have said in the OP even comes close to resembling anything even remotely anti-Jewish.

    You should apologise.


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    MaxSteele wrote: »
    You need to face facts BB.

    No one cares about sad, deluded ****ers who whinge, bitch and moan like children in prams all because some imaginary c*nt they're lives revolve around comes under criticism.
    From the militant atheist perspective perhaps but otherwise not a "fact". A lot of people do care about religious intolerance and bigotry.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    MaxSteele wrote: »
    You need to face facts BB.

    No one cares about sad, deluded ****ers who whinge, bitch and moan like children in prams all because some imaginary c*nt they're lives revolve around comes under criticism.

    maybe people wouldnt be so quick to criticise if they didn't make so easy every time they lose their collective sh1t over nothing. a cartoon? kill everrryone!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    Oh, yay! Brown Bomber's conspiratorial mind has come to visit. Anyway, I thought some might have an interest in reading this New Yorker article on Charlie Hebdo.

    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/09/the-charlie-hebdo-affair-laughing-at-blasphemy.html

    Won't post the entire article but here's a quote that stands out .
    “The aim is to laugh,” Laurent Léger, a journalist at Charlie Hebdo, told CNN . “We want to laugh at the extremists—every extremist. They can be Muslim, Jewish, Catholic. Everyone can be religious, but extremist thoughts and acts we cannot accept.”
    I think the vast majority of posters understand that it's a minority causing the problems with rioting and killings. But why exactly should we change the rules because of them? "The Innocence of Muslims" is tasteless etc but it still doesn't work as a reason to make the portrayal of Mohammed illegal. The Life of Bryan(Granted a work of quality) offended plenty of Christians but that doesn't mean it should be banned because it causes offence.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭fitz0


    ???
    I have pointed out instances of hypocrisy by the gatekeepers of freedom of speech. Do you dispute any of the examples?

    Nice pun, but otherwise all your empty bluster and blather is nothing more than that. Nothing that I have said in the OP even comes close to resembling anything even remotely anti-Jewish.

    You should apologise.

    This topic doesn't even belong here. You posted it, knowing our derisive attitude to your tinfoil hattery in order to get a response. I've given you one, that is completely appropriate to the level you usually drag a thread to - off-topic pointlessness. If you want to discuss media bias towards Judaism or against Islam, bring it up in one of the media forums or in the Islam forum.

    Bluster and blather? :/


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    fitz0 wrote: »
    Yes, BB, it's all a Jewish plot to fund an anti-Islam industry.

    Your anti-Jewish agenda is quite clear. Your constant attacks on Jews and the horrors they've suffered is sickening anne frankly I'm sick of it.
    gvn wrote: »
    I agree.

    Frankly, BB's behaviour is nothing short of Jewvenile.
    bluewolf wrote: »
    It's no gas craic anymore
    fitz0 wrote: »
    Aus witz it now BB, you don't really believe this stuff do you?
    gvn wrote: »
    That's almost taking it too far ... please don't take it any fuhrer.

    Ah come on, you guys are ridic-jew-lous.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭fitz0


    Ah come on, you guys are ridic-jew-lous.

    The jewry's out on that pun.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    fitz0 wrote: »
    The jewry's out on that pun.
    Fúck jew!!


  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Of course Jews love free speech, it's free isn't it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭fitz0


    Fúck jew!!

    Take it easy, Jew know I'm only messing with you.


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Corkfeen wrote: »
    Oh, yay! Brown Bomber's conspiratorial mind has come to visit. Anyway, I thought some might have an interest in reading this New Yorker article on Charlie Hebdo.

    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/09/the-charlie-hebdo-affair-laughing-at-blasphemy.html

    Won't post the entire article but here's a quote that stands out .


    I think the vast majority of posters understand that it's a minority causing the problems with rioting and killings. But why exactly should we change the rules because of them? "The Innocence of Muslims" is tasteless etc but it still doesn't work as a reason to make the portrayal of Mohammed illegal. The Life of Bryan(Granted a work of quality) offended plenty of Christians but that doesn't mean it should be banned because it causes offence.
    ... and by that logic nor should Charlie Hebdo fire a cartoonist over perceived anti-semetic remarks, right? But they did...


  • Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    fitz0 wrote: »
    This topic doesn't even belong here.
    Yes it does. Familiarise yourself with the charter.
    fitz0 wrote: »
    You posted it, knowing our derisive attitude to your tinfoil hattery in order to get a response.
    So I shouldn't post opinions here that the herd don't appreciate. Teriffic.
    fitz0 wrote: »
    I've given you one, that is completely appropriate to the level you usually drag a thread to - off-topic pointlessness.
    This an admission of breaking the rules. I assume that the mods now have no option other than to act?
    fitz0 wrote: »
    If you want to discuss media bias towards Judaism or against Islam, bring it up in one of the media forums or in the Islam forum.

    Bluster and blather? :/

    BTW...You still owe me an apology for you nasty slander.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    CharlieHebdoMuhammad.jpg


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭fitz0


    Yes it does. Familiarise yourself with the charter.

    So I shouldn't post opinions here that the herd don't appreciate. Terrific.

    This an admission of breaking the rules. I assume that the mods now have no option other than to act?

    BTW...You still owe me an apology for you nasty slander.

    By all means post whatever opinions you want here, I won't stop you. But I will point out your inherent bias and loony conspiracy jargon.

    If you have a problem with my post, report it and we will both defer to the Mod above. Although, if this 'nasty slander' isn't nasty slander I'm sure it's a Zionist plot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 881 ✭✭✭Bloodwing


    I've read your OP Bomber and I'm slightly lost as to what discussion or debate your hoping to generate from it. All it seems to be is a patch work of pictures and comments from other people. If i didn't know any better BB I might think you've just come here to push your standard BS agenda again and if that is the case you won't be getting and discussion on the topic from me because i too am sick of your rhetoric.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    MaxSteele wrote: »
    You need to face facts BB.

    No one cares about sad, deluded ****ers who whinge, bitch and moan like children in prams all because some imaginary c*nt they're lives revolve around comes under criticism.
    From the militant atheist perspective perhaps but otherwise not a "fact". A lot of people do care about religious intolerance and bigotry.
    How many times does it need to be said?!?

    We're not 'militant'. We're 'staunch'!


  • Posts: 81,309 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Ernesto Cold Camper


    endacl wrote: »
    How many times does it need to be said?!?

    We're not 'militant'. We're 'staunch'!

    I don't know, staunch makes me sound fat


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,880 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    This thread is the perfect example of how to reply to BB from now on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    bluewolf wrote: »
    endacl wrote: »
    How many times does it need to be said?!?

    We're not 'militant'. We're 'staunch'!

    I don't know, staunch makes me sound fat
    Ah, but think how impressed folks will be when they meet you in person and marvel at the great shape you're now in!

    Who ever heard of a fat wolf anyway...?

    Am I maintaining the level of respect and serious the OP deserves, by the way?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    This thread is the perfect example of how to reply to BB from now on.
    I'm still waiting on his exposé of Ayaan Hirsi Ali.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,059 ✭✭✭Sindri


    Corkfeen wrote: »
    I think the vast majority of posters understand that it's a minority causing the problems with rioting and killings.

    Most people don't though. Muslims, Islam, a diverse religion that covers hundreds of ethnicities and over a billion people usually are all tarred with the same brush. They are nearly always referred to collectively especially when being criticized and the qualifier, and more importantly, the understanding of the qualifier "some" is rarely used. I wouldn't expect many to care here though which is a shame.


  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sindri wrote: »
    Most people don't though. Muslims, Islam, a diverse religion that covers hundreds of ethnicities and over a billion people usually are all tarred with the same brush. They are nearly always referred to collectively especially when being criticized and the qualifier, and more importantly, the understanding of the qualifier "some" is rarely used. I wouldn't expect many to care here though which is a shame.

    You do get the irony of that post yeah?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 50 ✭✭rockclover1


    I smell an agenda here


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