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Shock as calves are mauled to death in Donegal

  • 29-09-2012 12:35PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 215 ✭✭


    What do you guys think of this? (Not really sure where to place this to be honest)

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-19755077
    The calves' carcasses were found eaten and with ribs broken, on the farm outside Convoy, near Raphoe, on Thursday. It is not known how the animals died.
    The farmer's wife Nicola Gregg said it was a very upsetting experience to think about what the calves went through before they died.
    She said they would be taking steps to protect other livestock on their farm.
    "My husband heard the calves roaring and when he went down to count them two were missing. When he investigated he saw they had basically been eaten alive.
    "Their heads were fine it was just the stomach area, and the back and tail. They demolished more or less.
    "Their ribs were broken which made us think it must have been something really strong to have done that.
    "My husband said he had never seen anything like that in his life. It's sad and it is worrying."

    This made me think of this wiki article on Cattle mutilation, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle_mutilation
    A hallmark of these incidents is the surgical nature of the mutilation, and unexplained phenomena such as the complete draining of the animal's blood, loss of internal organs with no obvious point of entry, and surgically precise removal of the reproductive organs and anal coring. Another reported event is that the animal is found dumped in an area where there are no marks or tracks leading to or from the carcass, even when it is found in soft ground or mud. The surgical-type wounds tend to be cauterized by an intense heat and made by very sharp/precise instruments, with no bleeding evident. Often flesh will be removed to the bone in an exact manner, consistent across cases, such as removal of flesh from around the jaw exposing the mandible.

    From the whole wiki article, I get that what happened on that farm was not exactly that version of mutilation, it sounded more like animals.

    Surprised that, as he says "eaten alive", I would assume most carnivores would go for the neck, a dead animal is easy to eat compared to a kicking and moving one.
    The eating into the stomach (best access area to soft meat) is what I expect with a predator, but the broken ribs are quite confusing, unless the calves' had fell on a large stone or something.

    I am not suggesting "aliens" as that wiki articles does, because I am don't believe that kinda thing, and its not really surgical...

    What animal could do that to a calf? Two of them? More than one animal?
    Foxes and large dogs, but I would never expect a fox to go for a healthy calf.
    The news article does not give much information, was the bellowing the farmer heard of the other cattle, or did he hear the killed ones, or was it other calves? how soon did he find them?

    What do you think done this?


    Edit: Adding another news site
    FAMILY FEAR MYSTERY ANIMAL KILLED THEIR CALVES
    September 28, 2012

    A farming family fear a large animal ate two of their young calves alive after a gruesome incident on their Co Donegal farm.

    The blooded remains of the one year old calves were found half-eaten on the farm outside Convoy, near Raphoe, yesterday morning.

    The one year old animals, which would have been a considerable size, had a number of their ribs broken.

    The family at the centre of the attack and animal welfare officers are baffled as to who or what killed the animals.

    The attack will again raise suspicions that a large wild cat is still roaming the north-west after sighting in recent years.

    Nicola Gregg, whose husband found the dead animals, said it was a very upsetting experience to think about what the calves went through before they died.

    She said she simply didn’t know what had attacked but suspected it may have ben a larger animal.

    “I know there have been escaped wild big cats like pumas before here and in other countries and I’m convinced something like that has happened here.

    “If this is the case, it is only a matter of time before this animal or animals do this again and farmers should be mindful of that.”

    She said they would be taking steps to protect other livestock on their farm.

    “My husband heard the calves roaring and when he went down to count them two were missing. When he investigated he saw they had basically been eaten alive.

    “Their heads were fine it was just the stomach area, and the back and tail. They demolished more or less.

    “Their ribs were broken which made us think it must have been something really strong to have done that.

    “My husband said he had never seen anything like that in his life. It’s sad and it is worrying.”

    Mr Gregg had the animals removed and disposed of.

    Local RSPCA inspector Kevin McGinley said he found it hard to believe that a dog or dogs would have been able to inflict such damage on such animals.

    However he said because the animals had been disposed of, there was no definite way of identifying what had happened to them.

    “We were not officially informed about the matter but I would find it difficult to accept that dogs were able to do this.

    “These animals were a year old and they would be a considerable size so it would take a lot to take both of them down,” he said.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Il Trap


    What do you guys think of this? (Not really sure where to place this to be honest)

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-19755077


    This made me think of this wiki article on Cattle mutilation, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle_mutilation


    From the whole wiki article, I get that what happened on that farm was not exactly that version of mutilation, it sounded more like animals.

    Surprised that, as he says "eaten alive", I would assume most carnivores would go for the neck, a dead animal is easy to eat compared to a kicking and moving one.
    The eating into the stomach (best access area to soft meat) is what I expect with a predator, but the broken ribs are quite confusing, unless the calves' had fell on a large stone or something.

    I am not suggesting "aliens" as that wiki articles does, because I am don't believe that kinda thing, and its not really surgical...

    What animal could do that to a calf? Two of them? More than one animal?
    Foxes and large dogs, but I would never expect a fox to go for a healthy calf.
    The news article does not give much information, was the bellowing the farmer heard of the other cattle, or did he hear the killed ones, or was it other calves? how soon did he find them?

    What do you think done this?
    If I was a calf. I’d be watching my back right now. They say it’s as big as four cats, and it’s got a retractable leg so as it can leap up at you better and it lights up at night, and it’s got four ears. Two of them are for listening and the other two are kind of back-up ears, and it’s claws are as big as cups and for some reason it’s got a tremendous fear of stamps and Mrs. Doyle was tellin’ me that it’s got magnets on it’s tail so’s if you’re made out of metal it can attach itself to you, and instead of a mouth it’s got four arses!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭--LOS--


    your two links are completely unrelated :confused:

    it's probably just dogs, they do this to sheep, we are talking about calves here not cows so it doesnt seem like that much of a leap


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 215 ✭✭Pensivepuca


    --LOS-- wrote: »
    your two links are completely unrelated :confused:

    it's probably just dogs, they do this to sheep, we are talking about calves here not cows so it doesnt seem like that much of a leap

    Yeah, I just put it there in case someone said cattle mutilation, like the ones reported in the US.

    The calves were almost a year old, could dogs take down two?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Il Trap wrote: »
    If I was a calf. I’d be watching my back right now. They say it’s as big as four cats, and it’s got a retractable leg so as it can leap up at you better and it lights up at night, and it’s got four ears. Two of them are for listening and the other two are kind of back-up ears, and it’s claws are as big as cups and for some reason it’s got a tremendous fear of stamps and Mrs. Doyle was tellin’ me that it’s got magnets on it’s tail so’s if you’re made out of metal it can attach itself to you, and instead of a mouth it’s got four arses!

    We had one of those, Tiddles it was called, had to let it go after the unfortunate incident at our 9 year-old's birthday party.:(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 465 ✭✭Rigol


    is obviously the new world order at it again.
    wake up you sheeples.

    29th september.....9....and 2. 1 day left in september.
    1. 2 times = 1.1.

    9/11. those calves were only recently insured, you'll find the burnt flesh was consistent with thermite.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    hungry hungry hippos?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Aliens, obviously.


    Otherwise, it's not really all that shocking or interesting unless you're a farmer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    --LOS-- wrote: »
    your two links are completely unrelated :confused:

    it's probably just dogs, they do this to sheep, we are talking about calves here not cows so it doesnt seem like that much of a leap



    Would want to be a good number of dogs as a one year old calf, depending on breed and whether it is a bull or heifer, can clock in at anything from 300lbs to 700lbs afaik, and some can be much heavier.

    So we are talking two calves that may have weighed between 21 stone and 50 stone being attacked with enough force to break ribs and rip them open.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,919 ✭✭✭Schism


    It's the beast. I hear it has no mouth, but instead four arses and its yawn sounds like Liam Neeson chasing a load of hens around inside a barrel.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,199 ✭✭✭Shryke


    Aliens, obviously.


    Otherwise, it's not really all that shocking or interesting unless you're a farmer.

    You have to be a farmer to care that two large enough and docile animals were eaten alive near where people live? How about it's not interesting if you're a clod on the internet. The state of some people, how detached can you get.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 215 ✭✭Pensivepuca


    Kess73 wrote: »
    Would want to be a good number of dogs as a one year old calf, depending on breed and whether it is a bull or heifer, can clock in at anything from 300lbs to 700lbs afaik.

    So we are talking two calves that may have weighed between 21 stone and 50 stone being attacked with enough force to break ribs and rip them open.

    Yeah, I am far from a farmer, but this is curious.
    I know dogs to take lambs (and the odd old/sick sheep) but year old calves are big.
    Even a pack of dogs...and when do you see packs of dogs?
    --LOS--
    Local RSPCA inspector Kevin McGinley said he found it hard to believe that a dog or dogs would have been able to inflict such damage on such animals.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭cloptrop


    Id say its the same jokers that were superglueing the doors yesterday .
    Coming up with new ideas us always a challenge for them but they will work around the clock to come up with something original.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,329 ✭✭✭Gran Hermano


    I knew this would happen when we ran out of swans.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    I blame Apple,ever since the iphone5 was released this wave of antisocial behaviour has started.I'm off to contact Joe Duffy-it's a disgrace.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,931 ✭✭✭Calibos


    Cattle Mutilations a few days after a flaming object from outer space flies over Ulster?


    Coincidence??






















    ...of course it is but I can't wait for the creduloids to start sincerely expounding that theory :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭Honest opinion


    Rigol wrote: »
    is obviously the new world order at it again.
    wake up you sheeples.

    29th september.....9....and 2. 1 day left in september.
    1. 2 times = 1.1.

    9/11. those calves were only recently insured, you'll find the burnt flesh was consistent with thermite.

    Yep 100% according to after hours its probably its probably Fianna Fáil's fault as well ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Shryke wrote: »
    You have to be a farmer to care that two large enough and docile animals were eaten alive near where people live? How about it's not interesting if you're a clod on the internet. The state of some people, how detached can you get.
    Animals are eaten alive near where people live every minute of every day. It's not hugely surprising or shocking unless you're a farmer with calves or if you think you're going to be attacked in your sleep by an escaped tiger roaming around Ireland.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    Sounds like the work of Mary Harney. Was any evidence of a sauteed potato side order found at the scene?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 428 ✭✭wolfeye


    Is'nt there a full moon out now at night.
    So i've come to the only logical answer .....There is a werewolf pack living within 35 km2 that area.
    Every one to your pitchforks..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,743 ✭✭✭blatantrereg


    The attack will again raise suspicions that a large wild cat is still roaming the north-west after sighting in recent years.

    http://www.donegaldaily.com/2012/09/28/family-fear-mystery-animal-killed-their-calves/

    I wonder if a big dog like a rottweiler might be capable of inflicting the injuries described, or if this really is evidence of a big cat being around.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,098 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    I'd say everyone in Donegal is still pissed drunk after winning the All-Ireland last weekend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    http://www.donegaldaily.com/2012/09/28/family-fear-mystery-animal-killed-their-calves/

    I wonder if a big dog like a rottweiler might be capable of inflicting the injuries described, or if this really is evidence of a big cat being around.
    No, a one-year-old calf is still pretty big, a rottweiler isn't nearly big enough to do the damage described. A pack of large dogs at a stretch could do it, but even then there would be telltale marks on the neck and head. Plus dogs are very human-friendly animals, a pack of five or six large dogs would stay close to towns and villages and would be spotted very easily.

    A big cat? Maybe, Donegal is pretty wild and there have been allegations that some people may have bought exotic cats as animals in the boom years and just let them roam when they could no longer afford them. Cougars are pretty hardy animals, they could survive Donegal winters.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    Celtic Tiger ( forgive the pun) made for unusual pets, there are a few examples out there. Too expensive to keep now, so are allowed to roam the land, waiting and watching, and killing of course.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Most likely a ManBearPig


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    The attack will again raise suspicions that a large wild cat is still roaming the north-west after sighting in recent years.

    Nicola Gregg, whose husband found the dead animals, said it was a very upsetting experience to think about what the calves went through before they died.

    She said she simply didn’t know what had attacked but suspected it may have ben a larger animal.

    But shipping them off to an abbatoir is grand.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,199 ✭✭✭Shryke


    Shryke wrote: »
    You have to be a farmer to care that two large enough and docile animals were eaten alive near where people live? How about it's not interesting if you're a clod on the internet. The state of some people, how detached can you get.
    Animals are eaten alive near where people live every minute of every day. It's not hugely surprising or shocking unless you're a farmer with calves or if you think you're going to be attacked in your sleep by an escaped tiger roaming around Ireland.

    You have no idea what you're talking about and clearly have no idea what it would take to do this to these animals. Bluffer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Sky King


    But shipping them off to an abbatoir is grand.
    I'd prefer the abbatoir.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭Reindeer


    "However he said because the animals had been disposed of, there was no definite way of identifying what had happened to them."

    If they were truly concerned, they would have taken photos and had someone other than the incompetent animal control officers look at the corpses. The fact there's no evidence, and no one has bothered to look for tracks and take photos of those, or photos of teeth marks, etc could well mean it's a hoax or they very well know what did it. In fact we all know what did it, it was either people or animals or both. When animals attack, especially if they have left as much of the corpse as is claimed in this article, they leave teeth marks on their victims, making an ID relatively easy. So, if it is the case it was animals, the best way to keep from having them identified is to lose the corpses. Humans don't tend to bite animals we attack, so if those corpses did lack teeth marks...

    If you ask me OP, the fact the cattle have broken rib bones likely means someone hit them with a vehicle and maybe tried to cover it up, and perhaps other animals became involved before the corpses were found. It is extremely rare for even a large predator such as a lion or tiger to bother to break the rib bones on something the size of a cow. And here we have two corpses done in such a manner.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,959 ✭✭✭Jesus Shaves


    What's with the amount of conspiracy theory threads lately, yawn.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,250 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    --LOS-- wrote: »
    your two links are completely unrelated :confused:

    it's probably just dogs, they do this to sheep, we are talking about calves here not cows so it doesnt seem like that much of a leap


    Have you ever been near a farm?

    Do you know the size difference between a one year old calf and a one year old sheep?

    Google it there and get back to us


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