Father shoots dead own son

stevenmu · 28-09-2012 02:35PM

HeyThereDeliah wrote: »

Would it be ok if he shot someone else's son ?
I would have to feel more sorry for the son who for wherever reason was out robbing houses at 15yrs of age and robbing from his own aunt, maybe he thought this was better than breaking into someone else's house.

I would question why he was out robbing houses.

Well if it was someone else's son, then I'd feel sorry for someone else, but probably not as much. I don't know if it's really possible to directly compare tragedies, but if it is then I'd say that the father shooting his own son is more tragic than someone else's.

I'd feel sorry for the son as well, but probably less so. He had a greater degree of influence over the circumstances. I don't think he deserved to die, but it was his actions which caused the events to unfold as they did.

jmayo · 28-09-2012 02:44PM

CruelCoin wrote: »

The son "lunged" at the father with something shiny.

In that case, split second instinct kicks in and you aim for the largest target available; the torso.
Unless he had military/security training, it's unlikely the father would have been able to calmly aim at the legs.

Actually I would say military and police are told to make sure they take the perp or attacker down and take no chances.
Maybe in some instances where they want to capture someone for interogation they aim to only wound.

AnonoBoy · 28-09-2012 03:09PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

I thought the NRA's pro gun agenda is based on scare mongering people into needing them to protect themselves, not to go out and attack others?
So I'm pretty sure they'd be of the opinion that the kid ideally shouldn't have been trying to break into another persons property as well as acting in a threatening manner.

Sure. Fine. Ruin my fun with 'facts' and 'truth' why don't you? :mad:

AnonoBoy · 28-09-2012 03:11PM

Matt_Trakker wrote: »

http://www.followingthenerd.com/ftn_news/boy-shoots-himself-at-school-dressed-as-two-face/

I hope he wasn't bullied coz that's horrible, I know plenty about it from my school days but why in the name of batman Jesus *insert appropriate gawd name here would he dress up as harvey feckin dent?

Young boy commits suicide at school?

That one's not funny in the slightest.

Read the article you posted - he was dressed up because it was a charity Superhero dress-up day at school. So everyone was dressed up.

How the f*ck would you find that funny?

CruelCoin · 28-09-2012 03:36PM

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Young boy commits suicide at school?

That one's not funny in the slightest.

Read the article you posted - he was dressed up because it was a charity Superhero dress-up day at school. So everyone was dressed up.

How the f*ck would you find that funny?

I'm sorry, but having read the article, that superhero bit gave me a wee chuckle. just a wee one mind.

Something deeply ironic about that.

Still tragic though. Uh-huh, yes siree

Zab · 28-09-2012 03:41PM

seamus wrote: »

The man decided he was justified in shooting an intruder, so he did. I think it's irrelevant who the intruder was, as every intruder is someone's son.

Hard for the father, but that's the risk you take when you pull the trigger.

Ehm, well obviously it wasn't relevant when he didn't know it was his son but equally obviously it'd be relevant if he'd known at the time as he wouldn't have shot him and wouldn't have considered his life to be in danger (assuming his story is true of course).

anncoates · 28-09-2012 03:45PM

CruelCoin wrote: »

Not sure why the son "lunged" at him though. Whether the son was startled or not, the father had no mask on....

Would he have really lunged at his father who was holding a gun while he (son) was masked?

Of course, they always 'lunge' prior to being blown away, don't they? You're hardly going to say to the police, Well, I sneaked up on the burglar and thought to myself got me a turkey shoot, yee-hah, etc.

CruelCoin · 28-09-2012 04:12PM

anncoates wrote: »

Would he have really lunged at his father who was holding a gun while he (son) was masked?

Of course, they always 'lunge' prior to being blown away, don't they? You're hardly going to say to the police, Well, I sneaked up on the burglar and thought to myself got me a turkey shoot, yee-hah, etc.

Fair point.

I revise my statement then to the son being a ****ing idiot for trying to break into a home in a land populated by gun-toting "get off my lawn" types.

Toshchiy Imperatritsy Vselennoy · 28-09-2012 04:40PM

Why didn't she call the police?

When she called why didn't he call the police?

How did he get there so fast?

You would think if he was close enough to shoot him he would be close enough to recognise him.

He he not question where his son was?

What age is the son was he an adult?

It seems suspicious to me.

Why did neither of them allow the police to handle it?

They had time for a phone call.

Any motives for a setup or murder?

I have no children i am too young. Do any of you? Most parents would rather go through nything else but their child dying no matter how screwed up the kid is. Family values are screwed up.

I think i would shoot myself if i did this. But thankfully i would have the sense to call the freaking police instead of my Dumbass brother who owns a gun because he thinks he knows what he is doing.

His punishment is the ultimate one....worse than dying i would imagine.

I hope he does not crumble mentally ...he probably will though. He will need a lot of support.

And as for the sister...why not call police??

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE TAKE THE LAW INTO THEIR OWN HANDS

If the police had to legitimately shoot i in self defense ...(which with their experience they could have taken steps to avoid) then at least the father would not have the pain of doing it and would have known that he had taken every step to avoid it.

CruelCoin · 28-09-2012 04:47PM

Toshchiy Imperatritsy Vselennoy wrote: »

Why didn't she call the police?

When she called why didn't he call the police?

How did he get there so fast?

You would think if he was close enough to shoot him he would be close enough to recognise him.

He he not question where his son was?

What age is the son was he an adult?

It seems suspicious to me.

Why did neither of them allow the police to handle it?

They had time for a phone call.

Any motives for a setup or murder?

I have no children i am too young. Do any of you? Most parents would rather go through nything else but their child dying no matter how screwed up the kid is. Family values are screwed up.

I think i would shoot myself if i did this. But thankfully i would have the sense to call the freaking police instead of my Dumbass brother who owns a gun because he thinks he knows what he is doing.

His punishment is the ultimate one....worse than dying i would imagine.

I hope he does not crumble mentally ...he probably will though. He will need a lot of support.

And as for the sister...why not call police??

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE TAKE THE LAW INTO THEIR OWN HANDS

If the police had to legitimately shoot i in self defense ...(which with their experience they could have taken steps to avoid) then at least the father would not have the pain of doing it and would have known that he had taken every step to avoid it.

It may be different elsewhere, but where i live, the time between a call to the guards, and someone actually coming out, is something in excess of an hour.
What are you going to do in the meantime? Fend him off with bad language?
Not that i'm an expert, but i expect you could do some pretty decent damage in an hour, with time left over to flee.....

As for the range, guns can and most often do have a range further than you can make out visible facial features. The "don't shoot till you see the whites of their eyes" analogy doesn't apply here.

Zab · 28-09-2012 04:48PM

Toshchiy Imperatritsy Vselennoy wrote: »

Why didn't she call the police?

When she called why didn't he call the police?

How did he get there so fast?

You would think if he was close enough to shoot him he would be close enough to recognise him.

He he not question where his son was?

What age is the son was he an adult?

It seems suspicious to me.

Why did neither of them allow the police to handle it?

They had time for a phone call.

Any motives for a setup or murder?

I have no children i am too young. Do any of you? Most parents would rather go through nything else but their child dying no matter how screwed up the kid is. Family values are screwed up.

I think i would shoot myself if i did this. But thankfully i would have the sense to call the freaking police instead of my Dumbass brother who owns a gun because he thinks he knows what he is doing.

His punishment is the ultimate one....worse than dying i would imagine.

I hope he does not crumble mentally ...he probably will though. He will need a lot of support.

And as for the sister...why not call police??

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE TAKE THE LAW INTO THEIR OWN HANDS

If the police had to legitimately shoot i in self defense ...(which with their experience they could have taken steps to avoid) then at least the father would not have the pain of doing it and would have known that he had taken every step to avoid it.

Most of your questions are answered in the article. I suggest you read it.

ScumLord · 28-09-2012 04:52PM

1ZRed wrote: »

Why do they feel the need to immediately shoot to kill without exception? Yeah he's breaking into your house, but If it was me I'd shoot him in the legs, if he was unarmed that is.

Only someone who's never fired a gun would think that's even possible in a panicked situation.

Even trained professional wouldn't have much hope of carrying out such a shot.

nibtrix · 28-09-2012 04:52PM

boneyarsebogman wrote: »

mike65 wrote: »

"Father shoots own son dead" is correct English.

Does it really matter?
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Well, it kind of does, as "father shoots dead own son" makes it sound like a zombie situation!

Dravokivich · 28-09-2012 04:54PM

Toshchiy Imperatritsy Vselennoy wrote: »

How did he get there so fast?

Well, they would be living nearby each other considering it'll be unlikely the 15 year old kid would have alternative means of transportation other than his dad.

ScumLord · 28-09-2012 05:06PM

Toshchiy Imperatritsy Vselennoy wrote: »

Why didn't she call the police?

When she called why didn't he call the police?

How did he get there so fast?

The Police would have just shot him more. The kids only chance would be how scary the cops would be, maybe he would have given up with them shouting at him.

CodeMonkey · 28-09-2012 05:27PM

Daily Mail is blocked in work so I googled other news source on this.
http://www.therecord.com/news/world/article/808462--father-fatally-shoots-son-in-home-intrusion
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/09/28/connecticut-father-kills-masked-intruder-learns-it-his-son/

None of the other articles mentioned any lunging on the boys part and no one knows what the shiny object is. Of course in any official report the victum of a shooting will always be armed and lunging at the shooter. There will most likely never be a report that says otherwise in any shooting of this kind.

The boy was actually adopted so who knows what the relationship is like, maybe he did lunge at dad cause they don't get along. Did the boy know dad was armed with a gun? Let says he did aggressively lunged at dad, would he have done so if giving a warning? Was dad right to shot intruder because it wasn't actually his property.

Shryke · 28-09-2012 06:16PM

seamus wrote: »

The man decided he was justified in shooting an intruder, so he did. I think it's irrelevant who the intruder was, as every intruder is someone's son.

Hard for the father, but that's the risk you take when you pull the trigger.

What kind of inept drivel is this?

kincsem · 28-09-2012 06:20PM

USA. 200,000,000 guns.

parrai · 28-09-2012 06:29PM

Shryke wrote: »

What kind of inept drivel is this?

seamus wrote: »

The man decided he was justified in shooting an intruder, so he did. I think it's irrelevant who the intruder was, as every intruder is someone's son.

Hard for the father, but that's the risk you take when you pull the trigger.

It's called logic, wisdom.

The man felt, as is his right in america, that he was defending sister/sister in laws property by shooting the intruder, whom at the time, we presume, he had no knowledge of who the intruder was.

Every action has consequences. He brought a gun to the situation, and used the weapon.

Had there been no gun, the outcome could have been different.

Now he has to live with the fact he has killed his own son.

dublinman1990 · 28-09-2012 06:58PM

Your thread title seems to be misleading.

That very same Daily Mail noted that the guy's son in whom he killed was adopted. If this is coming to light now, I think that the adopted father will have more consequences (both personal and judicial) coming from the son's real parent's and from the federal court's.

Other scenarios might include that the son's real parent's could have knowingly found out that he was a bad influence on Society as a whole. We just don't know that.

You have take into that no charges were filed immediately against him yet as he still grieving with his son's loss.

Father shoots dead own son

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