Is Australia rough?

asherbassad · 27-09-2012 11:01PM

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

You just calm yourself down.

Murders with hammers and women being raped and murdered are not weekly occurrences.

I already backtracked on the rape thing. But murders in general are a weekly occurence. Do you think they're all genteel painless poisonings like in Murder She Wrote?

So being stabbed with a knife or screwdriver, or kicked to death are so much less rough than the ONE hammer attack you mentioned?

kowloon · 27-09-2012 11:08PM

True, Australia might be dangerous, but being Jessica Fletcher's friend is suicidal.

manlad · 27-09-2012 11:13PM

I read the Australian and Irish news on a daily basis. For a substantially smaller country Ireland's crime rate looks so much higher, then again I live in Victoria and news stories from other states arent really broadcast here.

asherbassad · 27-09-2012 11:15PM

Actually,

I'm reversing my rape backtracking.

Police recorded rapes in Ireland:

2007: 357
2008: 348
2009: 377
2010: 479

So, no, they're not a weekly occurrence, they're a damn DAILY occurrence.

Pottler · 27-09-2012 11:41PM

Slunk wrote: »

Bollocks

See what I mean?:D

Jimoslimos · 28-09-2012 12:53AM

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

http://wentworth-courier.whereilive.com.au/news/story/brawl-at-bondi-junctions-tea-gardens/

http://wentworth-courier.whereilive.com.au/news/story/sunday-bloody-sunday-1/

Majority of lads involved in the above article were Irish(know one or two from my time over...nobs the lot)

Seriously, the Wentworth Courier? A local rag/estate agent spam for Eastern Suburb snobs concerned about the price of their property.

I always find it amusing that people whining about the behaviour of other Irish still choose to live and socialise in the same areas populated by young backpackers. Akin to a pensioner moving into a student house and complaining about the parties. Y'know Australia's a pretty big place, there's plenty of places where you can avoid yobbish behaviour, Irish or otherwise.

whatever73 · 28-09-2012 03:04AM

Australia has lots of psychos anyway, just type in Australian serial killers into google

Xavi6 · 28-09-2012 03:14AM

Stinicker wrote: »

I was in Australia for 3 weeks and I would say they are absolute thugs of animals with a drink problem and attitude to match. Racism is rife against Irish people too.

I lol'd, cheers for that.

A good example of typical Australisn brutishness is how they carryon in the International Rules Series, they basically turn a game of football into a running pitch battle and then think this is OK?

Yes they do because AFL and GAA are so far removed from each in terms of physicality it's not even funny. The 'brutishness' you're whinging about is part and parcel of footy. Maybe you're just soft.

Nice rant though (not really)

Feelgood · 28-09-2012 03:23AM

It is no different here to anywhere else, every country, city and town has its own dodgy area that you're not supposed to walk down late at night.

It can get rough down here. The area I live in is popular for night life. There is rarely a weekend that passes that I can't look out the window and see guys beating the ****e out of each other at 3am with cop cars or ambulances whizzing by. It's the usual drug and drink fueled nonsense you can see on any major city street on a weekend.

Saying that I haven't had an ounce of trouble since I got here.

Maximus Alexander · 28-09-2012 07:14AM

I've been in Aus for the last six months on a working holiday visa. I've been in Sydney, Melbourne, Canberra, Snowy Mountains and everywhere in between. I'd have to say no, it's not rough. At least not any more than Ireland or any other country I've been in.

By and large, the people here are fantastic. I've been very impressed by how easy-going they are and in general the atmosphere is much more positive than back home.

The thing is, they have a drink culture that's a lot like ours, which is a recipe for trouble if you're in the wrong place at the wrong time.

massdebater · 28-09-2012 07:28AM

I've been living in Australia just over a year now and from my experience, it's not rough at all here. Ireland's far rougher imo. I think the staggered closing times of clubs in most of the big cities helps, as people aren't turfed out onto the street at the same time on a Saturday night. All cities have places that you know to avoid but, for the most part, I feel far safer walking down the street in Melbourne than I would in Dublin.

PizzamanIRL · 28-09-2012 07:35AM

Australia is a huge place, you can't just ask a question like that.

If those people weren't Irish, you probably wouldn't have given it a second thought.

Every country has rough places and horrible crimes

Slurryface · 28-09-2012 07:39AM

JJLongford wrote: »

Just wondering why it seems that there's a lot of brutal crime stories involving Irish in Oz. I can think of 3 really brutal attacks off the top of my head...

Guy that was punched and died.

Guy that was beaten with hammer recently.

And now Jill Meagher.

Is it just that there's a lot of Irish there and chances are a few are unfortunately going to come across this? (But then again you don't hear of similar from the States, Canada or the U.K. where equally there are lots of Irish).

Is it that there's racism there towards Irish?

Or is it a rough place in general?

Would love your experiences from Oz if you have any!

Bearing in mind we had 5 unlawful killings last week it can hardly be any rougher than here.

gobnaitolunacy · 28-09-2012 08:18AM

I would say Ireland has the edge on being 'rough'. At least Australia doesn't have home grown terrorist organisations and political-religious tensions going back centuries packed into a (relatively) small island.
On a more everyday level, Aussie coppers take far less crap from folks coming out from pubs, street drinking, arguing with bouncers etc than the Guards.

A_Sober_Paddy · 28-09-2012 08:23AM

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Seriously, the Wentworth Courier? A local rag/estate agent spam for Eastern Suburb snobs concerned about the price of their property.

I always find it amusing that people whining about the behaviour of other Irish still choose to live and socialise in the same areas populated by young backpackers. Akin to a pensioner moving into a student house and complaining about the parties. Y'know Australia's a pretty big place, there's plenty of places where you can avoid yobbish behaviour, Irish or otherwise.

I was only in Sydney for a few weeks, spent most of my time in Perth

A_Sober_Paddy · 28-09-2012 08:26AM

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

I would say Ireland has the edge on being 'rough'. At least Australia doesn't have home grown terrorist organisations and political-religious tensions going back centuries packed into a (relatively) small island.
On a more everyday level, Aussie coppers take far less crap from folks coming out from pubs, street drinking, arguing with bouncers etc than the Guards.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter...

Also have you not heard of there biker grang problems

jugger0 · 28-09-2012 08:30AM

Australians are a bit weird especially their sense of humor.. but they're not bad lads, id feel a lot safer walking around Sydney then back home, as for being racist id say they are very tolerant considering their country is being swamped by foreigners.

The only trouble ive seen is caused by abbos, a bad shower indeed.

gobnaitolunacy · 28-09-2012 08:42AM

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter...

Also have you not heard of there biker grang problems

And what about your neighbours in your home city. Great bunch of lads.

A_Sober_Paddy · 28-09-2012 08:44AM

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

And what about your neighbours in your home city. Great bunch of lads.

Which ones are you referring too?

splendid101 · 28-09-2012 08:51AM

jugger0 wrote: »

....as for being racist id say they are very tolerant considering their country is being swamped by foreigners.

The only trouble ive seen is caused by abbos, a bad shower indeed.

Of course you'd think they were tolerant if you're racist yourself.

Their country is being "swamped" because they need the workforce.

CucaFace · 28-09-2012 09:27AM

Toshchiy Imperatritsy Vselennoy wrote: »

They are generally pretty humble.

While I agreed with a lot of your post this one line i just could not.

I lived there for a year and have met many Aussie's travelling the world, and generally speaking I have actually found them to be the most arrogant of people I have ever met.

Roisy7 · 28-09-2012 12:01PM

Lived in Oz for 6 months in 2009 and the area we lived was pretty rough. It's not a perfect society by any means and they have a lot of social problems- just like everywhere else.

The racism towards the aborigines is disgusting but I must admit I never met an aborigine that did themselves any favours. My interactions with them were never exactly positive, but that doesn't make the white Aussie attitude right.

Didn't notice a problem with Asians per se but then I was friendly with Asians over there.

I remember seeing a man stabbed in the street in Northbridge on a night out and the scariest incident in my life was when a man threatened me while I was trying to carry a drunk friend to a taxi (long story). Only for the fact that a girl was with him and called him away god knows what would have happened.

One thing I will say about Aussie society, it seems much more overtly sexist than Irish society. I met guys over there that would say the things you normally only read in After Hours!

Like another poster said, there were FIVE murders in Ireland last week, does that make Ireland "rough"? And I don't know if the murders in Ireland were less violent and shocking than the murders and attacks in Oz (Jill Meagher's death aside).

Anna Finnegan killed by her ex and her brother stabbed Two men SHOT IN FRONT OF THEIR CHILDREN A man beaten outside a pub in Cork city Eugene Gillespie beaten and left dead for two days So I don't know where you're going saying Australia is rougher than Ireland.

Da Shins Kelly · 28-09-2012 12:19PM

asherbassad wrote: »

65 murders in Ireland in 2005.
67 the following year.

52 weeks in a year. You do the math(s)

I'm not disputing that there are murders in Ireland and that we get our fair share of violence. You were being very specific though. People are not raped and murdered every week. That's what I was saying, and that is true.

telecaster · 28-09-2012 12:43PM

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

People are not raped and murdered every week. That's what I was saying, and that is true.

you're wrong

murder stats: linkage

rape stats: linkaroo

Logical Fallacy · 28-09-2012 12:47PM

Ghandee wrote: »

Definitely not!

I lived there for a couple of years 2003-2005 (why the fcuk did I come home?)

They have much more respect for their country, as in its wildlife and fauna than we have.

Every country in the world has its rough parts, or rough people.

We've had a few isolated incidents from Australia recently, but look at what happened in Norway last year?

Is Norway rough?

That's because most of it appears to be trying to kill them.

splendid101 · 28-09-2012 01:02PM

Ghandee wrote: »

They have much more respect for their country, as in its wildlife and fauna than we have.

Historically they've done far more damage to the flora/fauna of the country than possibly anywhere else. The introduction of the cane toad for example.

It's only in recent years that they have, thankfully, begun to properly respect their natural heritage.

Fr_Dougal · 28-09-2012 01:07PM

My name is URL wrote: »

One thing I've noticed when stories about violence are reported is the language and terms used to describe it all. Bashings, king-hit etc. It seems really bizarre to me, like why can they not just report these things as assaults?

Can you imagine RTE reporting a serious attack on somebody as 'A man was battered on Dame Street today'.

Have you forgotten the name everyone gave to the savage killings, beatings, bombings and murders up the North? "The troubles", now that's bizarre.

Mr Benevolent · 28-09-2012 01:07PM

starbelgrade wrote: »

I've never been to Australia & don't want to either. It's not the country per se, but the accent.

It's grand compared to most Irish accents tbh. Especially the Cork and Kerry accents, nasty. I live there for four months and enjoyed it, my girlfriend was there for a year on her own and enjoyed it too. Can't say I saw any violence, but I actively avoided spots where Irish people congregated.

People are not raped and murdered every week. That's what I was saying, and that is true.

You are badly wrong, people are murdered and raped every week.

superblu · 28-09-2012 01:15PM

Did you never see the animals that used to come over from Australia to play that idiotic compromise rules games. They used to batter the sheight out of the Irish lads.

Mr Benevolent · 28-09-2012 01:18PM

jugger0 wrote: »

Australians are a bit weird especially their sense of humor.. but they're not bad lads, id feel a lot safer walking around Sydney then back home

The only trouble ive seen is caused by abbos, a bad shower indeed.

Jesus H. Do you actually read what you post? Do you know the history of Australian genocide? Silly question, you obviously don't.

say they are very tolerant considering their country is being swamped by foreigners.

Wow, your ignorance is total. I'm impressed.

Is Australia rough?

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