6-in-1 vaccinations and autesim links?

aristotle25 wrote: »

Hi,

Baby due the 6-in-1 vaccinations and having been hearing people go on about potential links to causing authesim?

Anyone got similar concerns?

Did anyone go and try to get the vaccinations done 1 at a time rather than 6 in 1 go?

Thanks

I dont think you can get them done one at a time. They come combined in the one injection. Baby gets 2 - one in each thigh - 6 in 1 in one leg and PCV in the other.

I asked my GP straight out if she had vaccinated her children, and as I find her well informed and knowlegable, when she said she felt that the benefits of the vaccine far outweighed the (unsubstantiated) perceived risks and that she had no hesitation in vaccinating her own children I was happy to trust her opinion.

Fri.Day wrote: »

Everyone to their own, i`d be against it for the reasons that i don`t think there`s much diptheria, hepatitus B or polio around my parish.
Probably more prevalent in Africa and Asian countries with less sanitation.

I could be wrong but doesnt it also include vaccinnes for Measles and Mumps. Mumps can cause long term damage and measles outbreaks have been more and more common lately.
My kids are 11 and 7 and both had the vaccine, I also asked my GP what he thought and his advice was the percieved risk of autism was so small compared to the damaging effects of one of these diseases it was a no-brainer.

Also with so many un-vaccinated people coming from abroad, these diseases are more previalant. I had a friend who was born in Nigeria and died about 5years ago from TB, didnt we wipe that out in this country years ago.

Many people will give you differing opinions but my personal belief is that vaccines are good and protect our children, from some very nasty diseases.

aristotle25 wrote: »

This is what I dont understand. If it is a percieved risk then that is fine as it means there is no risk really.

But is the GP saying there is "tiny" risk? i.e. there is a actually a risk, even though it is tiny. I guess the wiki linked above shows its all rubbish.

I will ask my GP too.

Well there is no connection between vacination and autism. The Wakefield paper that first suggested this link was later retracted. It had a lot of things wrong with it.

Perhaps the GP wasn't aware of the retraction or his conversion with the other poster happened prior to this.

Even if there was a tiny risk of developing the autism this would be far outweighed by the reduced risks of developing measles, mumps, or rubella.

Maybe have a look at your family history OP to see if there was/is any record of reactions to the vaccine?

I am saying this because in my family there have been a number of incidents where Sudden Infant Death has occurred shortly after receiving the (then 5-in-1). In one case the baby had not left the doctor's surgery. As well as that, there are a number of children in the family who developed convulsions after getting it.

The doctors told us at the time that it was the Pertussis (Whooping Cough) aspect that was the troublesome one, and up until a few years ago they gave the rest of the children in the family the vaccines separately without the Pertussis. Then I had my daughter in 2006, I was informed that they did not do them separately any more.

My own GP did some research and found that the only place the vaccines could be sourced individually were in Asia somewhere. As an alternative, my daughter was referred to an immunologist in Temple Street. After she turned 1, She was taken in overnight and given the 6-in-1, whilst being closely monitored, and this was repeated for her boosters. All went well, no adverse reactions .

From my own experience however, I got very conflicting information from a number of doctors before it was sorted out. Some claimed that the reactions were nonsense, (at one stage I was threatened with HSE involvement for not getting her immunised) whilst other doctors refused to give her the vaccine (hence being referred to Temple Street).

I would advise OP that you do a bit of background research yourself, both on the vaccines and regarding your own family history. Discuss your worries with your GP, but remember it is your decision at the end of the day, and what you feel is best for your baby.

Good Luck

*EDIT : As far as I know also it is the MMR vaccine that is more commonly linked with Autism rather than the 6-in-1? I chose not to get this one at all ( I am fairly sure the rubella is available on its own anyway) as I have heard far too many stories from people I know about the effects of it on their kids.

aristotle25 wrote: »

The difficult thing is I need accurate real information to make a decision but all there is is conflicting, vague information.

Well, an accurate real fact is that Andrew Wakefield's article has been truly debunked and even referred to as fraudulent: http://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.c7452.

The risk of a child having an adverse reaction to being immunised is absolutely tiny, especially when compared to the risk of your child coming into contact with a non-immunised child (either from another country or one whose parents are anti-immunisation).

pwurple wrote: »

More visits and more injections = needless.

This is quite important when dealing with young kids. They will quickly associate the doctor with pain if they have to go several times for immunisations when it's unnecessary. Given the choice, most adults would prefer to get it all over and done with using the minimum amount of time and needles.

pwurple wrote: »

They are tested with the current schedule and are deemed safe. Changing the schedule is untested.

Not disagreeing with your post, but just a quick point of the scheduling... The schedule for vaccines here is at the earliest acceptable date for many of them, followed by appropriate gaps between them so as not to overload the immune system bytrying to get it tomake too amny antibodies at one time, and liklihood of the child encoutering the diseases here at certain ages etc.
In many other countries the scheduling is very different even with many, albeit not all, of the same vaccines.
You can choose to delay vaccination, or to only get certain vaccines.

Deleted User wrote: »

There is absolutely no evidence that the MMR injection has any correlation to autism/ adverse effects. Like literally none, I can't believe that people are so ignorant as to put their children's health at risk.

Not being ignorant, I am familiar with the lack of solid evidence. However I am speaking from personal experience having spoken with parents who have very convincing grounds to claim otherwise.

I made a personal choice not to get the MMR for my daughter, mostly based on the family history of severe reactions, which both my GP and the immunologist in Temple Street supported.

RobFowl wrote: »

This forum is a bit different from the parenting one. As it's a scientific one its preferred if posters quote references and evidence to support opinions.
Basically the more evidence you provide to support your opinion the better.

Hope this helps.

Didn't notice it was moved until now!

Well as we know there is little/no scientific evidence of the link so my experiences are fairly null and void here.

SandyRamp wrote: »

2. Secondly, and this is a very minor reason as to why I would be wary when compared to my first, I used to work in a fairly large primary school. During my time there I got to know a lot of the parents, and it shocked me that a significant number of the parents of special needs kids (mostly autistic) swore that their kids changed significantly after receiving the vaccine. One mum had 4 boys, 3 of whom she insisted were normal, healthy kids until they received the vaccine. In the weeks following she claimed they became distant, withdrawn etc. until they were eventually diagnosed.

I remember reading that one of the reasons parent's of autistic children were so convinced by Wakefield's paper was that children the age at which babies get the MMR (around 14months far as I can remember?) is in and around the age that signs of autism become apparent.

I think what people don't realise is that by not vaccinating your children it is not just your children you are endangering but you're putting certain vulnerable groups at a huge risk. I know of a a 3 month old baby (too young for the vaccine) who contracted whooping cough and nearly died. Doctor's told the parents baby had probably gotten it from an unvaccinated child in creche or wherever!

Deleted User wrote: »

You really wouldn't vaccinate your child against the risk of Polio?

The OP asks if we parents had similar concerns and yes I do.

SandyRamp wrote: »

2. Secondly, and this is a very minor reason as to why I would be wary when compared to my first, I used to work in a fairly large primary school. During my time there I got to know a lot of the parents, and it shocked me that a significant number of the parents of special needs kids (mostly autistic) swore that their kids changed significantly after receiving the vaccine. One mum had 4 boys, 3 of whom she insisted were normal, healthy kids until they received the vaccine. In the weeks following she claimed they became distant, withdrawn etc. until they were eventually diagnosed. Her 4th kid wasn't immunised, and hasn't been diagnosed with anything. I realise that I do not know the ins and outs of each of their experiences, but she was not an isolated case. This alone wouldn't have persuaded me not to get it, had I not had the family history I do I probably would have went ahead with it. But it does make you think.

This also concerns me as the mother of a precious little boy I have seen autism being most prevalent in boys in my dealings with kids through my job.
I love my little boy way too much to vaccinate him, just in case he might get a rare virus/disease, just scare tactics as I see them, not to mention who benefits financially from these "products"

Fri.Day wrote: »

This also concerns me as the mother of a precious little boy I have seen autism being most prevalent in boys in my dealings with kids through my job.
I love my little boy way too much to vaccinate him, just in case he might get a rare virus/disease, just scare tactics as I see them, not to mention who benefits financially from these "products"

What?!? Do you also love him too much to let him wear a seat belt? As this is a science forum I feel it is only right that I call you out on this dangerous, unscientific, nonsense.

After the Wakefield study vaccination rates dropped from about 92% to about 84%, at the same time measles rates rose. Cases increased from about 60 in 1998 to nearly 450 in 2006.

Vaccination saves millions of lives every year. That you would deny it from your children and recommend others do the same is incredibly irresonsible.