One in fifty killed by US killer drones in Pakistan is a known "terrorist".

pablomakaveli · 25-09-2012 07:09PM

Mr Cumulonimbus wrote: »

Can still be considered a criminal act though if reckless or careless planning is involved that leads to excessive civilian deaths, even if the target itself is legitimate.

Article 8, "War Crimes", of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court mentions this.

Section 2b (iv) states that:

Link: http://untreaty.un.org/cod/icc/statute/romefra.htm

That would basically cover deaths of civilians due to negligence which someone should be charged for if that was the case. I'd completly agree with that.

Piliger · 25-09-2012 07:10PM

pablomakaveli wrote: »

America doesnt deliberately target innocents they target the militants. The Islamist militants like to target innocents specifically however so its not like for like.

Exactly right. An unfortunate few innocent bystanders is worth the vast majority of accurate terrorists. This is a war.

pablomakaveli · 25-09-2012 07:10PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Not on this site.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nKh8kdBLVI

Is that from Fox News?

(The same network that is opposed to Obama)

OurLadyofKnock · 25-09-2012 07:10PM

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

Why are you posting this $hite in AH? Pi$$ off back to Conspiracy Theories you loon.

Ah yes, "Conspiracy Theorist" - perhaps the most over-used phrase ever.

Very boring at this stage. But carry on if is the last thing holding your delusions of the world being run by cuddly teddy bears together.

Bet you were first in line to pay the houshold charge too...

Goodboy! Goodboy!!! Here is another 'impartial' Government or Corporate Press Release for ya. There's a good boy.

"Woof~Woof!"

25-09-2012 07:12PM

Dolmio Pants wrote: »

I personally believe that a fifth of U.S. of Americans cannot locate it on a map, like, such as, the Iraq.

If you gave me a map of the world, I'd have a hard time pointing Iraq out. I'd give a good guess, but it'd probably be wrong.

pablomakaveli · 25-09-2012 07:12PM

Piliger wrote: »

Exactly right. An unfortunate few innocent bystanders is worth the vast majority of accurate terrorists. This is a war.

A bad attempt to twist my words into something i never said or even hinted at.

czx · 25-09-2012 07:14PM

OurLadyofKnock wrote: »

Ah yes, "Conspiracy Theorist" - perhaps the most over-used phrase ever.

Very boring at this stage. But carry on if is the last thing holding your delusions of the world being run by cuddly teddy bears together.

Bet you were first in line to pay the houshold charge too...

Goodboy! Goodboy!!! Here is another 'impartial' Government or Corporate Press Release for ya. There's a good boy.

"Woof~Woof!"

Pretty good phrase for dealing with people who call others sheeple tbh

Mr Cumulonimbus · 25-09-2012 07:15PM

czx wrote: »

[SIZE=-1][/SIZE]How can you say that they have such knowledge?

Real time video and satellite imaging ability.

czx · 25-09-2012 07:19PM

Mr Cumulonimbus wrote: »

Real time video and satellite imaging ability.

So you're saying that they have the ability to positively ID civilians and they still shoot regardless?

OurLadyofKnock · 25-09-2012 07:21PM

To be fair most people really are mindless sheep.

Look at the circulation of the Sunday World, the ratings for X-Factor and celeb shows, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of Irish **** walking around in British soccer jersies contastantly going "us and we" when talking about Liverpool, Celtic, Man U, Scunthorpe are "Irish" clubs because some dipso sports hack in the Daily Star told them.

The sheeple term is pretty spot on I am sad to report.

Run_to_da_hills · 25-09-2012 07:21PM

pablomakaveli wrote: »

Is that from Fox News?

(The same network that is opposed to Obama)

A pro Obama news channel would be telling you that theses drones would be used for hunting rabbits, just like the recent DHS purchase of millions of hollow point bullet rounds. :rolleyes:

And the sad thing is that Americans would believe it.

pablomakaveli · 25-09-2012 07:22PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

A pro Obama news channel would be telling you that theses drones would be used for hunting rabbits, just like the recent DHS purchase of millions of hollow point bullet rounds. :rolleyes:

Well id just disregard both fox and the pro obama source in that case then.

czx · 25-09-2012 07:25PM

OurLadyofKnock wrote: »

To be fair most people really are mindless sheep.

Seems to be the reason some people believe in CTs. A need to validate their perceived superiority.

czx · 25-09-2012 07:26PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

And the sad thing is that Americans would believe it.

They're just stupid, mindless sheep, right?

enfant terrible · 25-09-2012 07:30PM

czx wrote: »

They're just stupid, mindless sheep, right?

Silly yanks why can't they be more like us sophisticated europeans.

czx · 25-09-2012 07:33PM

enfant terrible wrote: »

Silly yanks why can't they be more like us sophisticated europeans.

Do you think the same for the folks in the Middle East?

Mr Cumulonimbus · 25-09-2012 07:42PM

czx wrote: »

So you're saying that they have the ability to positively ID civilians and they still shoot regardless?

No. Such technical aids should be helping to decide whether to shoot or not in the first place. If they were "shooting regardless" whats the point of them at all?

czx · 25-09-2012 07:48PM

Mr Cumulonimbus wrote: »

No. Such technical aids should be helping to decide whether to shoot or not in the first place. If they were "shooting regardless" whats the point of them at all?

So what you qouted is pointless in that they don't have prior knowledge that they are targeting civilians

wes · 25-09-2012 08:22PM

long range shooter wrote: »

1. Muslim Turkey has expelled approximately 1,500,000 Greeks from its empire in the east and replaced them with Turks. They have massacred approximately 2 million Armenians and replaced them with Turks in the west.

Muslim Turkey?

Your taking the piss right? There is no way you are aware of the above and not aware who Ataturk was.

Ataturk who was the leader of the Turkish nationalist movement who was running the the show at the time was an Atheist..... So I take it by your logic, we can now blame Atheists then? Otherwise, your a massive hypocrite. (BTW, I don't think Atheists should be blamed, just showing how silly the claims being made are).

long range shooter wrote: »

2. Muslim Turkey has invaded and occupied northern Cyprus, displacing the Greeks living there.

Again, showing that you haven't a clue. Turkey is a secular state.

Won't bother with as you have clearly shown that you can't even get your whatabotery right. So no point in addressing the rest of it.

Run_to_da_hills · 25-09-2012 08:24PM

enfant terrible wrote: »

Silly yanks why can't they be more like us sophisticated europeans.

I guess Europeans would be far more vigilant about the past.

SuperInfinity · 25-09-2012 08:28PM

I've said it before and I'll say it again: these drones are monstrous, horrific killing machines. They aren't natural, they are an abomination.

The "pilots" are sitting at home developing a playstation mentality about killing civilians. When it becomes so easy to just press a button and make a problem go away, humans fail to comprehend completely what they're doing.

At least in the old days, if you were going to kill someone whether evil or not, you generally had to take some risk to do it. You had to put your own life out there. In the old days, there was some pride and dignity associated with the job, I'd be able to have some respect for that, and if you didn't believe in what you were doing, you wouldn't be there. Soldiers wouldn't go into a war that they were terribly opposed to ethically. Nowadays, it's all too easy.

At least before, there was some resistance to complete US control over the world. If you were a peace-loving Arab trying to protect your family you could get out a rocket launcher and try to blast those ****ers to kingdom come. You'd have a chance. You'd put the fear of god into the enemy if nothing else, even if you die they might think twice the next time. Now even if you kill one, it doesn't matter, they just keep going. Nothing was lost to the US.

Come on, who could really believe the US is doing anything good over there? The US is a joke.

I know who I'd shoot down if I had my own personal drone... every US soldier, and the higher up the better, Obama being the biggest target of all.

Nodin · 25-09-2012 08:31PM

czx wrote: »

Seems to be the reason some people believe in CTs. A need to validate their perceived superiority.

You manage to the job ok without them though.

Mr Cumulonimbus · 25-09-2012 08:32PM

czx wrote: »

So what you qouted is pointless in that they don't have prior knowledge that they are targeting civilians

You're being a bit misleading here.

My original point was intended to deal with the outcomes of planned attacks. Technical aids can reduce the incidences of the lack of knowledge being an excuse when civilian casualties occur, but not eliminate it entirely obviously.

But I'd ask you how many civilian casualties need to occur before lack of knowledge becomes a poor excuse?

wendell borton · 25-09-2012 08:33PM

One in fifty is propably quite a high succes rate compared to other wars, look at dresden, nagasaki etc. etc. who many innocent people killed there. To this day people are still dying in cambodia and Laos from bombs droped there during the war in vietnam.

kowloon · 25-09-2012 08:33PM

twinytwo wrote: »

walking into a crowd of unarmed women and children and blowing yourself up is as cowardly as it gets................

I'd argue it's a horrible thing to do, but not necessarily cowardly. I'd imagine it takes a bit of bravery to overcome your fear of exploding.

My point is, people love to brand the bad guy a coward because they don't like the motive. It's not always wise to underestimate the enemy.

Yedya wrote: »

And IED's?

If it's one you have to set off in person and results in your death I suppose it counts. I'm not sure if that's what you mean though.

Slurryface · 25-09-2012 08:36PM

SuperInfinity wrote: »

I've said it before and I'll say it again: these drones are monstrous, horrific killing machines. They aren't natural, they are an abomination.

The "pilots" are sitting at home developing a playstation mentality about killing civilians. When it becomes so easy to just press a button and make a problem go away, humans fail to comprehend completely what they're doing.

At least in the old days, if you were going to kill someone whether evil or not, you generally had to take some risk to do it. You had to put your own life out there. In the old days, there was some pride and dignity associated with the job, I'd be able to have some respect for that, and if you didn't believe in what you were doing, you wouldn't be there. Soldiers wouldn't go into a war that they were terribly opposed to ethically. Nowadays, it's all too easy.

At least before, there was some resistance to complete US control over the world. If you were a peace-loving Arab trying to protect your family you could get out a rocket launcher and try to blast those ****ers to kingdom come. You'd have a chance. You'd put the fear of god into the enemy if nothing else, even if you die they might think twice the next time. Now even if you kill one, it doesn't matter, they just keep going. Nothing was lost to the US.

Come on, who could really believe the US is doing anything good over there? The US is a joke.

I know who I'd shoot down if I had my own personal drone... every US soldier, and the higher up the better, Obama being the biggest target of all.

They aren,t natural??? your kidding right?
Is flying planes into tower block natural? how about blowing up trains in Madrid and London, is that natural?

Nodin · 25-09-2012 08:40PM

Slurryface wrote: »

They aren,t natural??? your kidding right?
Is flying planes into tower block natural? how about blowing up trains in Madrid and London, is that natural?

Whats that to do with anything?

Bradidup · 25-09-2012 08:51PM

Slurryface wrote: »

They aren,t natural??? your kidding right?
Is flying planes into tower block natural? how about blowing up trains in Madrid and London, is that natural?

I don't think that there is many that still believes in those stories that we were lead to believe from main stream media channels.

karma_ · 25-09-2012 08:54PM

Nodin wrote: »

Whats that to do with anything?

Absolutely nothing, although its a staple debating tactic of the pro-war lads.

Manic Moran · 25-09-2012 08:55PM

I think one in fifty is a reasonably good ratio. I have to say, I have never known ahead of time who it was I was shooting at. Usually such identification would only happen afterwards.

One in fifty killed by US killer drones in Pakistan is a known "terrorist".

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