Mayo GAA Discussion Thread

cgpg5 · 24-09-2012 11:31PM

Audioslaven wrote: »

Complete rubbish. Mayo do not need mortimer and the media crap around him. He is the big man for the small day and the small man for the big day. He does not give a flying dog b***** about mayo and his team mates. He only cares about himself. Mayo are a better team without him and don't need his type around. I am sure there will be new guys we can bring in to strengthen the team and not revert to his nonsense again.

Say what you like, I wouldn't have minded him playing yesterday even if just for frees

Amprodude · 24-09-2012 11:51PM

The All Ireland champions title will arrive in Mayo one day and I reckon it will be very soon. What Mayo need to do now is keep building on the program that James Horan has been doing. He has done well with Mayo so far, learn from the mistakes of the final, try one or two new things with the team, find two or three more players and take a leaf out of Jim Mc Guinness's book and come back stronger.

Donegal came from nothing in 2010 and won an All Ireland in 2012. Mayo are at a more advance level now then Donegal were at in 2010 and Mayo are good enough to win All Ireland.

Keep the faith James Horan and the Mayo team. You performed very well on the field yesterday and were beaten by the better team, no shame in that. Mayo will learn alot from that and if the players keep the focus and Horan stays in charge, Sam will come back to Mayo.

Audioslaven · 24-09-2012 11:52PM

cgpg5 wrote: »

Say what you like, I wouldn't have minded him playing yesterday even if just for frees

A player needs to contribute more than frees. This is old school crap where a guy is on the panel just for frees. Not sure why O'Connor didn't take all the frees yesterday as he is our best option.

So we get mortimer back in for frees. He is in the papers every few days sprouting crap. Mayo has moved on from this. We should never go back to this crap again. The guys we have now are 100% commited to the end game of trying to win SAM. He made his bed now let the little prick lie in it or even better go spread his crap in some other county team.

I would take any of the current guys every day of the week before mortimer because I know they care and will try to the bitter end. You can't ask more than that. I can't say the same about mortimer

Fr Tod Umptious · 24-09-2012 11:56PM

Audioslaven wrote: »

Complete rubbish. Mayo do not need mortimer and the media crap around him. He is the big man for the small day and the small man for the big day. He does not give a flying dog b***** about mayo and his team mates. He only cares about himself. Mayo are a better team without him and don't need his type around. I am sure there will be new guys we can bring in to strengthen the team and not revert to his nonsense again.

Did you miss the bit where I said, 'Mortimer has to understand....', or 'if Mortimer does the work.......'

There was no way he was coming back in 2012, but next year is a whole new ball game, and eventhough Horan is his own man he is a pragmatist too, and if Mortimer is willing to get stuck in and knows what is involved then there is no reason for him to be out in the cold

Utopia Parkway · 25-09-2012 12:01AM

cgpg5 wrote: »

Connacht is crucial. Mayo are the best team in Connacht by a distance and should win it with little difficulty. No silly slip ups hopefully. A good Connacht and you're in an AI qf against a qualifier. So really and truly Mayo should be making the semis anyway next year and who knows from there

Mayo are the best team in Connacht but they are not good enough that they can just discount the opposition in the province entirely. Mayo barely got past Sligo in the Connacht final. Roscommon had a horrendous championship but are a much better side than they showed this Summer and will have a new coach next year. And of course Galway are unlikely to remain in the doldrums permanently with a lot of young players coming through.

AngeGal · 25-09-2012 12:04AM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Did you miss the bit where I said, 'Mortimer has to understand....', or 'if Mortimer does the work.......'

There was no way he was coming back in 2012, but next year is a whole new ball game, and eventhough Horan is his own man he is a pragmatist too, and if Mortimer is willing to get stuck in and knows what is involved then there is no reason for him to be out in the cold

Mortimer doesn't strike as the type of individual to understand that too easily. As a Galway person, I hope ye bring him back to give us a better chance against ye but you're better off without him.

Audioslaven · 25-09-2012 12:07AM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Did you miss the bit where I said, 'Mortimer has to understand....', or 'if Mortimer does the work.......'

There was no way he was coming back in 2012, but next year is a whole new ball game, and eventhough Horan is his own man he is a pragmatist too, and if Mortimer is willing to get stuck in and knows what is involved then there is no reason for him to be out in the cold

But why bring back a guy who does not care? Some mayo fans are so fecking naive to think that this guy will change his spots. He has been at this for years and now we have a manager who decided enough was enough. Horan is on a totally different plan and it is about hard work, dedication, supporting your team mates. These qualities are not there in him. I have the upmost respect for Horan because he called a spade a spade with this lad

Your comments are so fecking pathetic because we had a team that actually played to the bitter end but now we have supporters bringing up the "bring back mortimer" as a solution to our woes for 2013.

Get a fecking grip.

Syferus · 25-09-2012 12:23AM

Trev is the man you'd want back, thought that 'family statement' business probably burnt the bridge with Horan.

Seans_Username · 25-09-2012 12:30AM

Audioslaven wrote: »

But why bring back a guy who does not care? Some mayo fans are so fecking naive to think that this guy will change his spots. He has been at this for years and now we have a manager who decided enough was enough. Horan is on a totally different plan and it is about hard work, dedication, supporting your team mates. These qualities are not there in him. I have the upmost respect for Horan because he called a spade a spade with this lad

Your comments are so fecking pathetic because we had a team that actually played to the bitter end but now we have supporters bringing up the "bring back mortimer" as a solution to our woes for 2013.

Get a fecking grip.

I think you need to calm down a bit. The lads who are saying that Mortimer should come back do make a valid point.
His free taking would be an asset to the team. But they are saying that he should be back on the team if he can accept that Horan is boss, not him.

Mortimer left the panel probably thinking that the team would go nowhere without him. He saw how close they came to winning and this might give him a good kick up the hole to realise that with him they could go even further.

And I don't think that bringing back Mortimer is a 'solution' as you put it. It's like you're saying they lost in the qualifiers and are begging him to come back. It's more a case of building on this year's performance. A good push for next season, if Horan can straighten him out then it would be a massive step forward. If not, then good riddance to him

Fr Tod Umptious · 25-09-2012 09:53AM

Seans_Username wrote: »

I think you need to calm down a bit. The lads who are saying that Mortimer should come back do make a valid point.
His free taking would be an asset to the team. But they are saying that he should be back on the team if he can accept that Horan is boss, not him.

Mortimer left the panel probably thinking that the team would go nowhere without him. He saw how close they came to winning and this might give him a good kick up the hole to realise that with him they could go even further.

And I don't think that bringing back Mortimer is a 'solution' as you put it. It's like you're saying they lost in the qualifiers and are begging him to come back. It's more a case of building on this year's performance. A good push for next season, if Horan can straighten him out then it would be a massive step forward. If not, then good riddance to him

Thank you, that is exactly the point I am trying to make, but some posters here just prefer to ignore it and continue their rant.

ChippingSodbury · 25-09-2012 10:05AM

Audioslaven wrote: »

He is the big man for the small day and the small man for the big day.

Classic!!

You'd be better off to get one of the existing guys to practice free-taking even harder than they are currently. It's far from impossible for a talented footballer to become a good free-taker with a bit of helping psychology, good coaching and hours and hours of practice.
The game has moved on from the days of having a passenger on the team (and a disruptive one at that) to take the frees...

Audioslaven · 25-09-2012 10:51AM

ChippingSodbury wrote: »

Classic!!

You'd be better off to get one of the existing guys to practice free-taking even harder than they are currently. It's far from impossible for a talented footballer to become a good free-taker with a bit of helping psychology, good coaching and hours and hours of practice.
The game has moved on from the days of having a passenger on the team (and a disruptive one at that) to take the frees...

Spot on. We do not need a guy like him. A passenger free taker is not enough any more. Take a look at Mcfadden. You will not change this guy because he has been around too long. Can't teach old dog new tricks etc. I am not ranting/do not need to calm down as some buckos above are saying. Mayo needs to move on from crap like this. Maughan entertained the media, then he left so mortimer took his place.

Now we have a man who keeps the team in check and has very different principles. Bringing back mortimer only disrupts the team and he offers nothing new.

The fact that Mayo supporters come on sites and say "ah get him to toe the line etc" is pathetic in that it disregards everything good that has been achieved since he left. This is a backward step imo if he comes back. It will only end in tears. I think Horan knows this and also that he does not offer anything different to the team. This is the reason why he never played him.

He only cares about himself and getting his few frees. Its a better solution to get O'Connor to take all and forget about this lad.

We need guys that can win ball in the air as this gives us more options. We must strive for forwards that can do this. This is our only hope. We have a decent backline and midfield is not bad. We need two decent big forwards and I think we will be a match for any team considering to win SAM.

Fowler87 · 25-09-2012 11:13AM

I see Kerry are trying to steal Cian O'Neill. Was meant to be a great addition to coaching team so will be a great loss

naughto · 25-09-2012 12:12PM

Fowler87 wrote: »

I see Kerry are trying to steal Cian O'Neill. Was meant to be a great addition to coaching team so will be a great loss

i cant see him going yet we are still building he would be mad to leave or team now unless theres plenty money involved

Fr Tod Umptious · 25-09-2012 12:18PM

naughto wrote: »

i cant see him going yet we are still building he would be mad to leave or team now unless theres plenty money involved

I heard on Saturday (in Kerry) that he was going to be with them for 2013, the the Kerry fan that told me was none too happy with an outsider coming in to train them

What is the official line of this, has he been approached by Kerry ?

keane2097 · 25-09-2012 12:39PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I heard on Saturday (in Kerry) that he was going to be with them for 2013, the the Kerry fan that told me was none too happy with an outsider coming in to train them

What is the official line of this, has he been approached by Kerry ?

Yeah he's joining us alright. The "Kerry fan" you were talking to sounds like a dope, he'll be a fantastic addition.

intoDwest · 25-09-2012 12:41PM

Unfortunately you need a "stand out" forward to win All Irelands. In Mayo we have one but he just happens to be in Australia playing for The Lions. I know its all a "if my aunt had balls etc" statement but if we had Pierce Hanley at 11 and Andy Moran at 14 on Sunday then we would be All Ireland Champions today.

A county like Mayo cannot afford to be without a one in a generation footballer and that's what I think Hanley is. A big fast direct forward threat from the 40.

We cannot fault the effort of the players and management team, just fell a little short on the day. But the pride has been restored to the Jersey and we can look forward to next year with confidence rather then despair.

And Mort can RIP, not capable of buying into what Horan is selling.

naughto · 25-09-2012 12:50PM

its in the irishexaminer as well balls on it any way.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/mayo-blow-as-oneill-set-to-join-kingdom-next-season-208767.html

Defiler Of The Coffin · 25-09-2012 01:25PM

Keep the chins up lads, the battle is never over until it is won, there is no doubt in my mind that there is an All-Ireland in this team yet, on a different day we would have beaten that Donegal team, we were certainly good enough, just too naive at the start and shaky in front of goal in the 2nd half. The hunger is there and we will be back challenging next year. If Horan does one thing right he learns from the mistakes and moves on.

Not going to pretend I'm not disappointed, I certainly am but this is nothing like the previous two All-Irelands when we were beaten out the gate, them times we just weren't up to the standard but this time is different, massive room for improvement and no doubt we will be a better team because of it.

Brain Stroking · 25-09-2012 03:06PM

Those saying things like "If Mort can buy into Horan's ideas" etc obviously dont know Mort.

Nippledragon · 25-09-2012 03:20PM

FFS lads forget Conor Mortimer. He was a great servant to Mayo GAA but showed his true colours in the end - all he cares about is "mé fein". We are miles better off without him, he offers nothing new.

The weekends experience will stand to the current team. They are positive about next season already, from what I have heard, so fair fecks to them, that is the mindset we need.

Cian O' Neil leaving for Kerry. He has done a great job so deserves our praise. If it's Barry Solan thats coming in to replace him we have no need to worry, he was part of Katie Taylor's backroom team for the olympics and has a very good cv of experience.

jmayo · 25-09-2012 03:42PM

Syferus wrote: »

Trev is the man you'd want back, thought that 'family statement' business probably burnt the bridge with Horan.

I would have Trevor back before his little brother.
Hell I would send Conor over to Kenya in his place.

Nippledragon wrote: »

...
Cian O' Neil leaving for Kerry. He has done a great job so deserves our praise. If it's Barry Solan thats coming in to replace him we have no need to worry, he was part of Katie Taylor's backroom team for the olympics and has a very good cv of experience.

Is he still involved with Laois together with all the other stuff ?

Fr Tod Umptious · 25-09-2012 05:20PM

Brain Stroking wrote: »

Those saying things like "If Mort can buy into Horan's ideas" etc obviously dont know Mort.

well that's that settled then, if he ain't worth talking to over the winter then he ain't worth talking to.

Here is the betting for 2013

Donegal 11/4
Cork 7/2
Kerry 4/1
Dublin 4/1
Mayo 11/1
Tyrone 16/1
Kildare 18/1

Good price at 11/1.

cgpg5 · 25-09-2012 05:28PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

well that's that settled then, if he ain't worth talking to over the winter then he ain't worth talking to.

Here is the betting for 2013

Donegal 11/4
Cork 7/2
Kerry 4/1
Dublin 4/1
Mayo 11/1
Tyrone 16/1
Kildare 18/1

Good price at 11/1.

Kerry 4/1?? And Dublin!!! Wtf

Agree, 11-1 is a super price. Well we're being written off by bookies anyway lets hope that transfers to other teams too

Padkir · 25-09-2012 08:23PM

Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: »

Keep the chins up lads, the battle is never over until it is won, there is no doubt in my mind that there is an All-Ireland in this team yet, on a different day we would have beaten that Donegal team, we were certainly good enough, just too naive at the start and shaky in front of goal in the 2nd half. The hunger is there and we will be back challenging next year. If Horan does one thing right he learns from the mistakes and moves on.

Not going to pretend I'm not disappointed, I certainly am but this is nothing like the previous two All-Irelands when we were beaten out the gate, them times we just weren't up to the standard but this time is different, massive room for improvement and no doubt we will be a better team because of it.

Dead right! We improved by one step since last year. All we need is to do it again. Keep the faith!

Fr Tod Umptious · 26-09-2012 09:48AM

cgpg5 wrote: »

Kerry 4/1?? And Dublin!!! Wtf

Agree, 11-1 is a super price. Well we're being written off by bookies anyway lets hope that transfers to other teams too

Kerry will always be short odds with a bookie beacuse people will always back them based on their history and their ability to turn things around in a relatively short period of time.

Dublin will also be shorter than they should beacuse of the numbers that will back them.

Donegal are real bad value there, I would not expect them to be a realistic contender in 2013 and their their excretions in 2012

Tom Joad · 26-09-2012 09:53AM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Donegal are real bad value there, I would not expect them to be a realistic contender in 2013 and their their excretions in 2012

Ah here - you've crossed the line now - calling it puke football is one thing but calling their style excretions that's OTT - and you a man of the cloth - shame on you

Fr Tod Umptious · 26-09-2012 10:29AM

Tom Joad wrote: »

Ah here - you've crossed the line now - calling it puke football is one thing but calling their style excretions that's OTT - and you a man of the cloth - shame on you

Damn you spell checker, exertions not excretions

keane2097 · 26-09-2012 11:07AM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Kerry will always be short odds with a bookie beacuse people will always back them based on their history and their ability to turn things around in a relatively short period of time.

Dublin will also be shorter than they should beacuse of the numbers that will back them.

Donegal are real bad value there, I would not expect them to be a realistic contender in 2013 and their their excretions in 2012

Spot on.

Syferus · 26-09-2012 01:32PM

It's questionable if Doinegal will have what it takes to repeat but it's far too early to make a judgement either way.

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