Name and Shame Job Bridge

torrential1 · 24-09-2012 02:31PM

Job bridge is the greatest scam going and of course our government and IBEC have no qualms about this blatant abuse and violation of vulnerable unemployed people. I recently applied to a well known company who were offering one such jobbridge position... I didnt even make it to the interview stage. Why? I hadnt enough experience for a rather basic role in consultancy. I have heard since that the successful person has a phd and three years experience in the sector. How is this allowed? The position was advertised as a basic entry level role. She is actually better qualified and has more specific experience than her 'mentor'. Company gets a qualified experienced worker for 9 months for free. Disgrace. I rang jobbridge but I got some organ grinder telling me how she will more than likely get a permanent position afterwards etc... good luck to her if she does but I told her not to hold her breath.

RacoonQueen · 24-09-2012 03:19PM

Government organisations are taking full advantage of the 'scheme'. There were roles in Leinster house and some Dublin hospitals are full of interns who are never going to be awarded jobs at the end of their internships.

http://www.beaumont.ie/index.jsp?p=103&n=144

micromary · 24-09-2012 06:08PM

Maybe a stupid question and maybe I am being very naive but I thought I would ask out there. Does the govt, its ministers or td's not care that all they are doing is prolonging the unemployment situation with no real solution???? After all this current lot got in with a promise that they would create real jobs and stop the hemorrage but as the Irish Times reported on Friday more jobs are being lost. Its a very sorry state of affairs.

ABajaninCork · 24-09-2012 06:14PM

micromary wrote: »

Maybe a stupid question and maybe I am being very naive but I thought I would ask out there. Does the govt, its ministers or td's not care that all they are doing is prolonging the unemployment situation with no real solution???? After all this current lot got in with a promise that they would create real jobs and stop the hemorrage but as the Irish Times reported on Friday more jobs are being lost. Its a very sorry state of affairs.

Short answer? They couldn't give a flying one...I wrote to all my local TD's. Only one bothered to answer. I discussed the matter with another TD who frankly is only there for the beer and is about as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike. I even wrote to Micheal Martin as Leader of the Opposition but never got a response.

So there you go. No point in complaining as no-one gives a sh!t. Sorry...

micromary · 24-09-2012 06:38PM

Think u answered my question pure and simply. It made me laugh anyways how u put it:D

Papa_Bear · 24-09-2012 10:59PM

This bull**** is getting out of hand altogether.

I just looked on the JB site and seen under the building/construction menu listing, 10 ****ing positions (count 'em) of "sales fitter" for Advance Pitstop.

These bastards are really taking the piss now. Feels like they're rubbing it in our faces.

Been trying to get something out of this site for a year now - and nothing!

Why are we always letting employers call all the shots? We should be interviewing these people to see if they're genuine if nothing else FFS!!!

RacoonQueen · 25-09-2012 12:41PM

Search under health/education/... banner and you'll see how many public sector jobs are being listed as well. Classroom assistant etc they've closed schools, sacked teachers etc and want to bring in jobbridge applicants to fill the gap.

SmokeyEyes · 25-09-2012 01:51PM

Glad there's this great rant thread, I'm freaking out at this stage as every single job that's relevant to me and my experience is an internship. Now I'd have no problem if any of them were promising a role at the end of it but right now can't afford to spend another 9 months committing myself to a role where I won't get a proper wage.

It's really depressing we're trying to save for a house and the incredible amount of jobs that are now being advertised as internships is making it nearly impossible to get an entry level position and that even if you do apply they're still really hard to get an interview for because so many people are applying for them.

I'm so angry that this is the situation in Ireland right now:(

rude awakening · 25-09-2012 01:57PM

My thoughts at this very moment exactly!!!!
And even call centers are hiring on these schemes aswell
Its ridiculous.

This country isn't going to move on until companies hire all jobs(management excluded) on a junior basis. Everyone is trainable these days and are willing to be trained :mad::mad::mad:

SmokeyEyes wrote: »

Glad there's this great rant thread, I'm freaking out at this stage as every single job that's relevant to me and my experience is an internship. Now I'd have no problem if any of them were promising a role at the end of it but right now can't afford to spend another 9 months committing myself to a role where I won't get a proper wage.

It's really depressing we're trying to save for a house and the incredible amount of jobs that are now being advertised as internships is making it nearly impossible to get an entry level position and that even if you do apply they're still really hard to get an interview for because so many people are applying for them.

I'm so angry that this is the situation in Ireland right now:(

micromary · 25-09-2012 04:45PM

It is actuelly scary at what is happening at present. I sent a number of mails to a "respected" estate agent advising that I would be interested in buying a coffee shop and try to create a few jobs in the meantime. Every email was ignored. I even rung the guy and he told me a offer was put in already. After this I wrote to the same email address that his service was dire "celtic tiger" service. He immediately wrote back apologizing and saying that that that shop and another was now available. With that type of attitude to people who have savings and are trying to invest and to improve the situation no wonder we are going nowhere as a country. I feel sorry for anybody caught where they are having difficulty with keeping a roof over their heads etc because the banks, estate agents, developers & govt have left us all massively down.

It seem that there are only a few opportunities are there - try to start a business, internship, go back and study or emigrate. Grim picture alright.

yore · 26-09-2012 05:22AM

SmokeyEyes wrote: »

Glad there's this great rant thread, I'm freaking out at this stage as every single job that's relevant to me and my experience is an internship. Now I'd have no problem if any of them were promising a role at the end of it but right now can't afford to spend another 9 months committing myself to a role where I won't get a proper wage.

It's really depressing we're trying to save for a house and the incredible amount of jobs that are now being advertised as internships is making it nearly impossible to get an entry level position and that even if you do apply they're still really hard to get an interview for because so many people are applying for them.

I'm so angry that this is the situation in Ireland right now:(

Why should you need the same company to employ you? Who expects a "job for life" these days? Lots of people do a job for a year or two, learn new skills and then move to a better job. Nothing wrong with that!

If all that's available for your experience is jobsbridge then take it. In 9 months you'll have an extra 9 months experience. Or you can sit on the dole and stagnate. I know what I'd choose!

rude awakening · 26-09-2012 07:13AM

yore wrote: »

If all that's available for your experience is jobsbridge then take it. In 9 months you'll have an extra 9 months experience. Or you can sit on the dole and stagnate. I know what I'd choose!

Have to disagree Yore. I finish on this scheme in 3 days and I can tell you that your only their "tidier-upper" for 6-9 months. You get the admin, the photocopying etc. You live in hope of a "full-time" job. The only experience you really have is the environment you work in.

I'm not that type of person that can just pick-up and move to a different city. I prefer where I have roots. But I'm thinking now I may have to. Its a disgusting truth

Royal Legend · 26-09-2012 07:34AM

micromary wrote: »

Maybe a stupid question and maybe I am being very naive but I thought I would ask out there. Does the govt, its ministers or td's not care that all they are doing is prolonging the unemployment situation with no real solution???? After all this current lot got in with a promise that they would create real jobs and stop the hemorrage but as the Irish Times reported on Friday more jobs are being lost. Its a very sorry state of affairs.

I am sure that they are or will manipulate figures to show that "the scheme" is working. Much the same as the figures they threw out in the Dail last week concerning the brilliant job they had done in reducing waiting lists in hospitals, even though the following day official figures came out showing the opposite.

Makes me laugh, this crowd claimied they were open and honest and changing the face of politics in Ireland, when they are more of the same and in some cases much much worse than the previous regime.
THEY THINK WE ARE ALL TOO STUPID TO NOTICE.

SmokeyEyes · 26-09-2012 09:56AM

yore wrote: »

Why should you need the same company to employ you? Who expects a "job for life" these days? Lots of people do a job for a year or two, learn new skills and then move to a better job. Nothing wrong with that!

If all that's available for your experience is jobsbridge then take it. In 9 months you'll have an extra 9 months experience. Or you can sit on the dole and stagnate. I know what I'd choose!

I don't think that's fair. I'm looking for jobs every day, I have to believe my only two options aren't a Jobsbridge scheme or 'sitting on the dole'. I'm an active job hunter with some experience behind me, that has to count for something in the job world.

rude awakening · 26-09-2012 09:59AM

SmokeyEyes wrote: »

I don't think that's fair. I'm looking for jobs every day, I have to believe my only two options aren't a Jobsbridge scheme or 'sitting on the dole'. I'm an active job hunter with some experience behind me, that has to count for something in the job world.

Agree 100%. But its like I said earlier, until multinational organizations in this country higher non-experienced employees and train them in-house, I don't see the unemployment rate in this country decreasing.

CuriousG · 26-09-2012 10:27AM

yore wrote: »

Why should you need the same company to employ you? Who expects a "job for life" these days? Lots of people do a job for a year or two, learn new skills and then move to a better job. Nothing wrong with that!

If all that's available for your experience is jobsbridge then take it. In 9 months you'll have an extra 9 months experience. Or you can sit on the dole and stagnate. I know what I'd choose!

Probably because the whole point of this scheme is to BRIDGE you to a JOB. What's the point in companies taking on all these interns if there isn't a job afterwards -sure, you might be lucky enough to get one somewhere else, but that shouldn't be the case after most definitely doing the company a favour for so many months. It's obvious you haven't had much experience 'on the dole' if you think that people would rather 'sit and stagnate' ...

ABajaninCork · 26-09-2012 12:17PM

Just heard This on the news...

At last someone seems to be taking this issue on board!

rude awakening · 26-09-2012 01:21PM

This is only a sample of why Waterford/Wexford/Kilkenny is suffering

Administrator
The intern will gain practical experience in an insurance environment, providing support to all departments. The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following diary management(a schedule), switchboards(a phone) and telephone manners(comes naturally), communications(comes naturally) and database management(Trainable). On completion the intern will have attained skills in busy office and database management, and expanded their communication skills.
Education Requirements: Leaving Certificate Ordinary - or equivalent
(Full-time Job for anyone willing to learn) WHY JOBSBRIDGE?

Sales & Office Administrator
Where - Enerpower
The intern will gain practical experience in the work of sales, office administration, customer service and general administration(Trainable). The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following sales, marketing, administration including basic accounts and social media(facebook)

in business. On completion the intern will have attained skills in all areas of working in an office environment including sales, marketing, accounts and general office administration.
Education Requirements: Leaving Certificate Ordinary - Good computer skills preferably to ECDL level
(Full-time Job for anyone willing to learn) WHY JOBSBRIDGE?

Web/Graphic Designer
Where - Passion for Creative Ltd
Education Requirements: Third Level - third level qualification in web/graphic design or related field
The intern will gain practical experience in all areas of web and graphic design, including software programmes such as Adobe Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign as well as HTML, CSS and Dreamweaver. (Learn it in 1 year of college)
(Full-time Junior position in that field) WHY JOBSBRIDGE?

Car Sales Executive
Where - Bolands
The intern will gain practical experience in the field of Trainee Car Sales Executive in retail sales and customer care and satisfaction.
Education Requirements: Leaving Certificate Ordinary -
(Full-time Job for anyone willing to learn) WHY JOBSBRIDGE?:mad:

Documentation Administrator
Where - Teva
The intern will gain practical experience in Microsoft Office including Microsoft Word, Microsoft Excel, Microsoft Access, General Administrative Duties (LAUGHABLE):D
Electronic Documentation Management Software, Document generation, Archiving of Documents and Retains, Pharmaceutical Regulations(LEARNABLE)
(Full-time Job for anyone willing to learn) WHY JOBSBRIDGE?:mad:

There are loads of examples, Im sure this is only a % of a % :mad::mad::mad:

CuriousG · 26-09-2012 01:55PM

rude awakening wrote: »

This is only a sample of why Waterford/Wexford/Kilkenny is suffering

Administrator
The intern will gain practical experience in an insurance environment, providing support to all departments. The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following diary management(a schedule), switchboards(a phone) and telephone manners(comes naturally), communications(comes naturally) and database management(Trainable). On completion the intern will have attained skills in busy office and database management, and expanded their communication skills.
Education Requirements: Leaving Certificate Ordinary - or equivalent
(Full-time Job for anyone willing to learn) WHY JOBSBRIDGE?

Sales & Office Administrator
Where - Enerpower
The intern will gain practical experience in the work of sales, office administration, customer service and general administration(Trainable). The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following sales, marketing, administration including basic accounts and social media(facebook) in business. On completion the intern will have attained skills in all areas of working in an office environment including sales, marketing, accounts and general office administration.
Education Requirements: Leaving Certificate Ordinary - Good computer skills preferably to ECDL level
(Full-time Job for anyone willing to learn) WHY JOBSBRIDGE?

Web/Graphic Designer
Where - Passion for Creative Ltd
Education Requirements: Third Level - third level qualification in web/graphic design or related field
The intern will gain practical experience in all areas of web and graphic design, including software programmes such as Adobe Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign as well as HTML, CSS and Dreamweaver. (Learn it in 1 year of college)
(Full-time Junior position in that field) WHY JOBSBRIDGE?

Car Sales Executive
Where - Bolands
The intern will gain practical experience in the field of Trainee Car Sales Executive in retail sales and customer care and satisfaction.
Education Requirements: Leaving Certificate Ordinary -
(Full-time Job for anyone willing to learn) WHY JOBSBRIDGE?:mad:

Documentation Administrator
Where - Teva
The intern will gain practical experience in Microsoft Office including Microsoft Word, Microsoft Excel, Microsoft Access, General Administrative Duties (LAUGHABLE):D
Electronic Documentation Management Software, Document generation, Archiving of Documents and Retains, Pharmaceutical Regulations(LEARNABLE)
(Full-time Job for anyone willing to learn) WHY JOBSBRIDGE?:mad:

There are loads of examples, Im sure this is only a % of a % :mad::mad::mad:

Also one for a Fitness Instructor in Curves...... A bit of a joke considering they only take on people at entry level anyway, and it cannot really be classed as a gym as such.

I am getting so fed up of looking at FAS daily, in the hope there will be something...... even a good quality intersnship or a crap job as last resort, but there never is! It is always rubbish that will help no one!

rude awakening · 26-09-2012 02:02PM

Agreed
The document admin role is also advertised for a pharma comp in Carlow, but the requirements are ridiculous:

3rd level qualification with a minimum of 8 years experience working in a similar role ideally within the pharmaceutical industry or similar working environment. (SERIOUSLY??? )
Demonstrated knowledge of compliance documentation management and approval processes. (Comes with practice)
Knowledge and experience of GMP and GDP in a pharmaceutical environment.(Comes with practice and training)
Familiarity with automated approval systems such as Trackwise, Documentum etc (who will have this?? )

This is my point regarding in-house training

CuriousG · 26-09-2012 02:20PM

rude awakening wrote: »

Agreed
The document admin role is also advertised for a pharma comp in Carlow, but the requirements are ridiculous:
3rd level qualification with a minimum of 8 years experience working in a similar role ideally within the pharmaceutical industry or similar working environment. (SERIOUSLY??? )

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

A perfect example of how this is being abused.

Also seen WLRFM has an internship up..

donegal11 · 26-09-2012 02:36PM

Wonder what screening goes into positions. How can a deli/shop assistant ever be classed as an internship or positions that imply years of experience.

ABajaninCork · 26-09-2012 03:03PM

Prospective Jobsbridge sponsors are not supposed to ask for experience. I've reported several ads that apparently are asking for it, and they have been removed. Of course, it doesn't mean that the offending words are not simply removed and re-submitted. Neither does it mean that the candidates aren't 'screened out' at interview to get the people 'needed'.

The examples above show that the screening process is not working and needs to be tightened up.

Those highlighted should be forwarded to the ScamBridge' site for naming and shaming. I might also drop a line to info@scambridge.org to ask what will be done with the info gathered.

micromary · 26-09-2012 03:07PM

Well done to Paul Murphy. As for Bruton and the Dept of Social Protection they wud say anything to say that it was a success which is complete bulls**t. I reckon that Bruton and Burton shud be put on a internship as they are brutal at their jobs. I even went out of my way to go to a internship interview on Monday spending ages getting there, and spent ages at the interview as the person interviewing me went thru company accts, stock, payroll etc. I was advised that I would be called this morning regardless. Still no word back. I will ring trw but that is not the point. So frustrating:mad:

ABajaninCork · 26-09-2012 03:08PM

rude awakening wrote: »

This is only a sample of why Waterford/Wexford/Kilkenny is suffering

Administrator
The intern will gain practical experience in an insurance environment, providing support to all departments. The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following diary management(a schedule), switchboards(a phone) and telephone manners(comes naturally), communications(comes naturally) and database management(Trainable). On completion the intern will have attained skills in busy office and database management, and expanded their communication skills.
Education Requirements: Leaving Certificate Ordinary - or equivalent
(Full-time Job for anyone willing to learn) WHY JOBSBRIDGE?

Sales & Office Administrator
Where - Enerpower
The intern will gain practical experience in the work of sales, office administration, customer service and general administration(Trainable). The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following sales, marketing, administration including basic accounts and social media(facebook) in business. On completion the intern will have attained skills in all areas of working in an office environment including sales, marketing, accounts and general office administration.
Education Requirements: Leaving Certificate Ordinary - Good computer skills preferably to ECDL level
(Full-time Job for anyone willing to learn) WHY JOBSBRIDGE?

Web/Graphic Designer
Where - Passion for Creative Ltd
Education Requirements: Third Level - third level qualification in web/graphic design or related field
The intern will gain practical experience in all areas of web and graphic design, including software programmes such as Adobe Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign as well as HTML, CSS and Dreamweaver. (Learn it in 1 year of college)
(Full-time Junior position in that field) WHY JOBSBRIDGE?

Car Sales Executive
Where - Bolands
The intern will gain practical experience in the field of Trainee Car Sales Executive in retail sales and customer care and satisfaction.
Education Requirements: Leaving Certificate Ordinary -
(Full-time Job for anyone willing to learn) WHY JOBSBRIDGE?:mad:

Documentation Administrator
Where - Teva
The intern will gain practical experience in Microsoft Office including Microsoft Word, Microsoft Excel, Microsoft Access, General Administrative Duties (LAUGHABLE):D
Electronic Documentation Management Software, Document generation, Archiving of Documents and Retains, Pharmaceutical Regulations(LEARNABLE)
(Full-time Job for anyone willing to learn) WHY JOBSBRIDGE?:mad:

There are loads of examples, Im sure this is only a % of a % :mad::mad::mad:

Forward those to the Scambridge website!

rude awakening · 26-09-2012 03:09PM

ABajaninCork wrote: »

Forward those to the Scambridge website!

Done!!!!

micromary · 26-09-2012 03:27PM

I advise everybody who has a bad story to go onto scambridge. Btw send a msg to Richard Bruton re the situation. It more then likely won't be read. However just looked at his so called blog. Last entry January 2011 before he got into govt. Says it all about this current govt.

ABajaninCork · 26-09-2012 03:35PM

Micromary: It is Joan Burton, the Welfare minister who department administers the Jobbridge scheme. You need to address your concerns to her. Not that you'll get an answer of course...

micromary · 26-09-2012 03:38PM

Yep I know, but it was John Bruton who is raving how much of a success it is and that 37% of people working on the scheme got full-time jobs afterwards. I asked him to produce the facts. Again it won't be read but I got it off my chest:)

ABajaninCork · 26-09-2012 03:39PM

OIC!! Fire away then...:D

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