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Why is Shakespeare so highly regarded?

  • 23-09-2012 08:01AM
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    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 550 ✭✭✭


    I've read some of his stuff in school like everyone, I just don't get the hype. Sure he was talented, but the hype is over the top IMO.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,221 ✭✭✭BluesBerry


    Better a witty fool, than a foolish wit - I suppose


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,880 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    Gauss wrote: »
    I've read some of his stuff in school like everyone, I just don't get the hype. Sure he was talented, but the hype is over the top IMO.

    Thanks for sharing.

    I think lamb is overrated.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭Seanchai


    Gauss wrote: »
    I've read some of his stuff in school like everyone, I just don't get the hype. Sure he was talented, but the hype is over the top IMO.

    Because he was a better plagiarist than his contempories in the English language. Although the very mention of Shakespeare being, in fact, a plagiarist would provoke the ire of British nationalists.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    HE FIXED THE ROAD!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭golden lane


    Seanchai wrote: »
    Because he was a better plagiarist than his contempories in the English language. Although the very mention of Shakespeare being, in fact, a plagiarist would provoke the ire of British nationalists.

    he was very well known...around the "globe"...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    I just remember his sister :-) not a bad group of singers imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,969 ✭✭✭hardCopy


    Seanchai wrote: »
    Gauss wrote: »
    I've read some of his stuff in school like everyone, I just don't get the hype. Sure he was talented, but the hype is over the top IMO.

    Because he was a better plagiarist than his contempories in the English language. Although the very mention of Shakespeare being, in fact, a plagiarist would provoke the ire of British nationalists.

    That want even his real beard


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭MadameGascar


    Because he invented knock knock jokes!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭cloptrop


    Shakespeare is so highly regarded because he is British . Joe Cole , Joe Harte , Prine Haryy and William and Cheryl Cole are also over rated because the Englidh media like to build them up .

    "If it were done when it were done then it were well it were done quickly".


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 181 ✭✭squrm


    cloptrop wrote: »
    Shakespeare is so highly regarded because he is British . Joe Cole , Joe Harte , Prine Haryy and William and Cheryl Cole are also over rated because the Englidh media like to build them up .

    "If it were done when it were done then it were well it were done quickly".

    Reading that is like hearing Jonathan Ross speak it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    squrm wrote: »
    Reading that is like hearing Jonathan Ross speak it

    Or Russell Brand. "It were me what done it Sir!"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,490 ✭✭✭Fluorescence


    Did any other playwright at the time write a scene ending: "Exit: pursued by a bear"? Nope.

    Case closed :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,880 ✭✭✭Doc Farrell


    This. Above all: to thy own own self be true.

    Brevity is the soul of wit.

    Now is the winter of our discount tents ( O'Meara camping ad in the 80's)

    Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more: it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.


    The common curse of mankind, - folly and ignorance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,605 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    He's no Katie Price.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,589 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    He couldn't even spell his own name.

    Seriously, all of his surviving signatures are spelt differently.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭humbert


    Who would his detractors regard as, as good, or better?


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,589 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Dante , Cervantes :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    I can't understand a word he bloody writes and I don't want to either. Hamlet is crap imo. Twihard till I die.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,184 ✭✭✭3ndahalfof6


    because, just because.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,565 ✭✭✭losthorizon


    Dante , Cervantes :pac:


    Fairly interesting fact

    Cervantes died in April 22nd 1616

    Shakespeare died on April 23rd 1616.

    Cervantes is also much more readable imo.

    Cervantes only wrote the second part of Don Quixote because someone else forged a second part in his name so in the book Don Quixote keeps bumping into people who have read about him in the forged book. Surreal or what!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    A few reasons:
    • While he did often draw inspiration heavily from other works and historical events, he elevated everything he borrowed with a thematic complexity and a keen insight into human nature, which of course is also evident in his more original works.
    • His mastery of the English language was amazing. Purely in terms of language, so much of what he committed to paper is utterly beautiful or profound, as well as being gorgeous purely in how it sounds thanks to his choice of words and use of iambic pentameter. To truly appreciate this, it helps to hear his words spoken aloud, though one can still appreciate them while reading them.
      It's a surprisingly rare skill to be able to tell a great story with complex themes and interesting, human characters, combined with language which is attractive in itself. Dickens is another great writer who could do this, but not at Shakespeare's level.
    • Closely related to this is his contribution to the English language. I could provide some examples of words and phrases coined by him, but I genuinely don't know where to start, so I'll simply include this list.
      I doubt there's a single English-language thread of more than twenty posts on this website that doesn't include a word or phrase on that list.
    • Lastly, he achieved the nigh impossible goal of appealing to a wide audience. His historical subjects and thematic depth have long-appealed to the intellectual classes, while his broad comedy and recognisable character types had a more populist appeal.
      It's generally now believed that Shakespeare offers nothing to the common man, which is a great pity. A tragedy, if you will. It's not difficult to understand Shakespeare at all. While some of his vocabulary is obviously going to be a little out-of-date, much of it can still be understood in context, and the grammar, crucially, is basically the same as it is now.
      When taught properly by a good, passionate teacher, and performed well, Shakespeare's works can be enjoyed by anyone.
      I saw Much Ado About Nothing (a highly relatable and relevant play about the battle of the sexes, and unlike some of his comedies, still genuinely funny) performed at The Globe last year. Everyone in the audience had a fantastic time and had no trouble following the action. This included a large group of secondary school students who spent most of the time doubled over with laughter. Few modern playwrights, I'd warrant, could achieve a similar effect.

    Not bad for a glove-maker's son.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,386 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Seanchai wrote: »
    Because he was a better plagiarist than his contempories in the English language. Although the very mention of Shakespeare being, in fact, a plagiarist would provoke the ire of British nationalists.
    The bold bit is the thing though. Damn near all writers plagiarise, but he did it better and made major improvements to the original stories.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,231 ✭✭✭Hercule Poirot


    He was writing plays at a time when theatre was the only form of public entertainment, he was endorsed by royalty (iirc) and was generally the best in Britain - why is he still taught in schools today? Because teachers hate children


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,118 ✭✭✭AnnyHallsal


    Excellent post, King of Moo.

    The more you read Shakespeare, the more you realise how inconceivably far ahead he is of his closest peer. The humanity of the pieces - to think of the second half of King Lear makes me well up - the mindboggling wisdom, the linguistic dexterity, the poetry, the range ...

    It's irritating to hear some would-be provocateur (usually a teenager) trot out "Shakespeare is ****." That's objectively false. Fair enough, his reputation is staggering. But so is the work. And it was written for the popular stage, not for the kind of academic scrutiny that's been mining it for centuries.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,118 ✭✭✭AnnyHallsal


    The plagiarism thing is a red herring. The Renaissance didn't prize originality. That's pretty much a Romantic invention.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    Wibbs wrote: »
    The bold bit is the thing though. Damn near all writers plagiarise, but he did it better and made major improvements to the original stories.

    Unless you were Early Man it's tough to write an original story. It always boils down to the same things, thematically.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,752 ✭✭✭markesmith


    Someone had to be the best, and Shakespeare ticks all the boxes. It's like the Mona Lisa is the world's most famous painting, because some painting has to be the best.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Having to do Julius Caeser for the Inter cert and Hamlet for the Leaving seemed like a fate worse than death to me at the time.

    Having to learn poetry was ridiculous as well.


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