Any protestants in NI that feel Irish?

davet82 · 20-09-2012 01:14PM #1

The whole mcilroy saga got me thinking, i've heard of catholics and people with Irish surnames (so not just religion) feeling British. I remember reading a survey about a small minority of catholics who would rather stay under british rule...

is there any prodestants or people of that desent that would feel irish and would like a united ireland?

i'm just curious, i'm not looking for a debate on the politics of it just if there any people that feel that way, sort of a vice-versa of the mcilroy thing?

Heroditas · 20-09-2012 01:20PM

I know plenty of Northerners who are Protestants but feel very much "Irish".
They just don't want to be part of a country run from Dublin.
As one of them once told me: "I'm Irish, but I'm also British"

Grolschevik · 20-09-2012 01:22PM

I've met several Northern Protestants who would consider themselves to be Republicans politically.

Where To · 20-09-2012 01:22PM

I know plenty of protestants who consider themselves Irish. I know plenty of protestants who consider themselves british. I know plenty more who couldn't give a fluck.

davet82 · 20-09-2012 01:22PM

Heroditas wrote: »

They just don't want to be part of a country run from Dublin.

i cant really blame them for that bit, think half the country feels like that at them moment!

Crooked Jack · 20-09-2012 01:22PM

I have a few nationalist/republican protestant friends. They're very much in the minority but they're definitely there

davet82 · 20-09-2012 01:24PM

Crooked Jack wrote: »

I have a few nationalist/republican protestant friends. They're very much in the minority but they're definitely there

i find that really strange, what influnced them into taking that view do you know? Do they live in a mainly nationalist area or something?

Heroditas · 20-09-2012 01:24PM

davet82 wrote: »

i cant really blame them for that bit, think half the country feels like that at them moment!

More than half!!

Seaneh · 20-09-2012 01:26PM

A lot of the ulster rugby boys would be protestant and very much considers themselves to be Irish.

Stinicker · 20-09-2012 01:27PM

They are Irish whether they like it or not and they cannot escape this as they live in Ireland. Northern Ireland is an artificial commodity created by the partition of the island. It is a political oddity.

Francie Barrett · 20-09-2012 01:27PM

Crooked Jack wrote: »

I have a few nationalist/republican protestant friends. They're very much in the minority but they're definitely there

Really? I have never met any. I know a few Protestants who have no problem labeling themselves as being Irish, but I have never met any nationalist Protestants.

Stinicker · 20-09-2012 01:29PM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Really? I have never met any. I know a few Protestants who have no problem labeling themselves as being Irish, but I have never met any nationalist Protestants.

Some of Ireland's most prominent Nationalists were Protestants, Sam Maguire and Douglas Hyde for example. Religion should have nothing to do with the conflict and what is the occupation of 1/6th of Ireland was allowed descend into sectarian conflict by the British and Unionist majority and their bigoted ways.

RikkFlair · 20-09-2012 01:36PM

Just on the McIlroy thing, I believe Darren Clarke would identify himself as Irish. To be fair he probably sees himself as Britsh/N.Irish also, but he did pose with the tricolour at the Ryder cup, something which McIlroy of course quickly discarded when someone threw him one at the US Open.

That said, Clarke did say that he was glad to be holding the Orange part of the flag. :pac:

sureitsgrand · 20-09-2012 01:38PM

Google Billy Leonard.

Interesting man.

iDave · 20-09-2012 01:42PM

Eddie Irvine i believe is a protestant but was never comfortable with the Union flag being raised when he won. He tried to get the FIA to introduce a compromise flag but they werent having any of it. He also moved to Dublin but not sure if hes still here.

Fuinseog · 20-09-2012 01:42PM

are there any shinners in the north who speak Irish?

is there anyone in south county dublin who does not feel west british?

Francie Barrett · 20-09-2012 01:42PM

Stinicker wrote: »

Some of Ireland's most prominent Nationalists were Protestants, Sam Maguire and Douglas Hyde for example. Religion should have nothing to do with the conflict and what is the occupation of 1/6th of Ireland was allowed descend into sectarian conflict by the British and Unionist majority and their bigoted ways.

I am talking about Protestant nationalists in Northern Ireland today.

LordSutch · 20-09-2012 01:43PM

Stinicker wrote: »

Some of Ireland's most prominent Nationalists were Protestants, Sam Maguire and Douglas Hyde for example. Religion should have nothing to do with the conflict and what is the occupation of 1/6th of Ireland was allowed descend into sectarian conflict by the British and Unionist majority and their bigoted ways.

You were doing so well until the last part, so I crossed it out.

Border-Rat · 20-09-2012 01:43PM

I grew up with the Captain of the National Cricket Team. He was a bit of a Loyalist at school, I guess he grew out of it.

J Cheever Loophole · 20-09-2012 01:43PM

Brian Keenan.

krudler · 20-09-2012 01:45PM

Popcorn! get your popcorn!

Fuinseog · 20-09-2012 01:46PM

wolfe tone, Chas Stuart Parnell.

henry mountcharles

cloptrop · 20-09-2012 01:46PM

The fella who started the Home Rule movement was protestant as far as I remember . And yer man who got caught trying to smuggle guns from the spanish and shot was as well can never
remember names.

minidazzler · 20-09-2012 01:47PM

Stinicker wrote: »

They are Irish whether they like it or not and they cannot escape this as they live in Ireland. Northern Ireland is an artificial commodity created by the partition of the island. It is a political oddity.

Ireland is an artificial country created by boundaries of the sea though it was never truly united. The High Kings/King of Tara were NOT in charge of a country that was united by any manner of means.

Seaneh · 20-09-2012 01:49PM

minidazzler wrote: »

Ireland is an artificial country created by boundaries of the sea though it was never truly united. The High Kings/King of Tara were NOT in charge of a country that was united by any manner of means.

Fail.

Ireland is the geographical name for an Island in the north Atlantic.

Irish is the name given to the people who live on the Island.

Border-Rat · 20-09-2012 01:50PM

Seaneh wrote: »

Fail.

Ireland is the geographical name for an Island in the north Atlantic.

Irish is the name given to the people who live on the Island.

And even Scotland. The Roman term for 'Irish' was Scot was it not?

Topper Harley · 20-09-2012 01:50PM

RikkFlair wrote: »

Just on the McIlroy thing, I believe Darren Clarke would identify himself as Irish. To be fair he probably sees himself as Britsh/N.Irish also, but he did pose with the tricolour at the Ryder cup, something which McIlroy of course quickly discarded when someone threw him one at the US Open.

Well there's plenty of debate over that too. Some think he discarded the tricolour while others say a security guard pulled it away. I myself believe even if he didn't want to pose with it he would make sure to have gotten rid of it discretely as he has always tried to avoid the issue so as not to upset anyone and keep their support. Which is fair enough, there's enough division as it is and it's slowly going away and he doesn't want to be the cause of it flairing up again.

Fuinseog · 20-09-2012 01:51PM

do people really give a toss where they live and who rules them as long as they can live a decent life with a decent job?

Seaneh · 20-09-2012 01:52PM

Border-Rat wrote: »

And even Scotland. The Roman term for 'Irish' was Scot was it not?

Well the word Scotland comes from Scoti, which basically means of Ireland...

Seaneh · 20-09-2012 01:53PM

Fuinseog wrote: »

do people really give a toss where they live and who rules them as long as they can live a decent life with a decent job?

It's only in the last 2 decades that nationalists in the north could live a decent like with a decent job

No wonder they care who rules them when they were denied basic human rights.

Fuinseog · 20-09-2012 01:54PM

Seaneh wrote: »

Well the word Scotland comes from Scoti, which basically means of Ireland...

Scotland or Scotia Major is an irish colony. we should take it back.

Any protestants in NI that feel Irish?

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