Romney: Obama voters are the 47% who are dependent on the government

Can we believe such buffoon is running for office? He will say anything to whatever crowd he is addressing, he is so shallow. Help us all in the world if this disaster on legs gets elected. He just alienated one half of the voters in a few words..... Can we take much more?

Duck Soup wrote: »

The fall out from the remarks in the video is interesting. For a start, it does two things that strategically the Romney campaign would not have wished for. (a) It eats up pretty much the whole of this week's news cycle, with the clock counting down and no time to waste. (b) It brings the conversation back to taxes at a time when they want desperately to get the spotlight on broader economic issues.

Then there's the tricky matter of how you respond directly to the comments. The Romney campaign has decided to double down instead of disowning them. They seem to believe that to walk back the remarks would simultaneously compound his reputation as a flip-flopper and/or disingenuous, as well as píssing off the hard right of the party who think it's one of the few good things he's said. So double-downing it is, with the hope it energizes the base to some extent.

At this stage, I'm wondering how many times a campaign can shoot itself in the foot and still walk.

Like this?

The Bishop! wrote: »

I think you may be giving him too much credit.

On top of the numerous gaffes and blunders, the tax returns fiasco, peddling discredited economic policies etc etc... this is a man who strapped his dog to the roof of his car and drove 650 miles from Massachusetts to Canada on vacation.

His actions have more than a passing resemblance to George W if you ask me.

I do understand most of what you have said above.

His predecessor George W gave us a hell for the past eight years until Obama was elected. I have never suggested to give credit to Romney to a party to full of people who want to start war when people like it or not, who want to make the poor and retirees look like idiots when they don't even notice it.

Those stances by republicans are purely immoral IMO.

The republicans do not have a tendency to share in someone else's belief. They steal it for their own personal gain.

I don't want another presidency where total greed is their core message.

What I want is a huge amount of respect and dignity in this campaign. Not lies or half truths.

And I want that better image of dignity and respect to come from the Democrats.

Fox is anti-Obama - FACT

But there's a huge part of the rest of the media who are blatantly pro-Obama and do drag Romney over the coals for his gaffes. But, they are gaffes... hilarious stupid blatant no-comeback gaffes! and he's made so many at this stage he just comes across to me as a fool.... a very pompous rich unbelievably disingenuous fool. He's a complete scam of a person and incapable of the job in question... he seems barely human it's weird.

It's true Eric Holder should be hammered in the media far more than he is and there is deffo other stuff on Obama which should be put out there to balance the thing but really though.. is it even debatable who has made more of a fool of himself so far? there's no argument - Romney has made a complete spa of himself and this is probably the worst gaffe so far in my opinion. John Stewart did a great job on it the other night if you haven't seen it I suggest you go find it! it was so vicious (and very funny if you're anti-Romney as I am).

But I'll say it again - if it's just a question of getting Obama out then this stuff really has limited effect literally no matter how character annihilating it is! Romney could eat a baby LIVE on CNN and suffer a 2% hit! That's the world we live in that's the American two horse media circus and this republican campaign is an embarrassment to the modern world. Obama will win hopefully by 1-2% (even though I myself am not a massive fan of what he has done re: his personal Drone War for instance)

So many American voters have been successfully sheep-dogged into black and white irrational ignorant, hate-based polar positions over this last couple of election cycles so much so that you have this crazy istuation where seemingly rational people can't possibly accept that the other side has a single good idea and that literally everything the other side says and does in completely wrong and visa versa - that is just mental... totally irrational behavior ... inhuman even. Of course both sides have some good idea and some bad ones... both sides are polluted with corporate donors and interest groups vying for their ticket to win.. it's always been that way and it hasn't change (no matter what Obama stupidly promised a carried-away emotionally driven feel good voter base last time round)

On a personal human level Obama kicks Romney's ass completely he's just a better guy all round in my view and that is very very important as the president actually has so much personal power in the US system... as Obama has showed many times... for good and bad in my view. So on that note Obama is better for the world (esp when it comes to the Iran thing etc... not so much with the drone thing in Pakistan etc).

On a party level - who's in power doesn't matter at all in any way to older committed Republicans - they could care less if their guy was a mixed race black/latino gay college professor as long as their party wins.

Rest of it is just funny stuff for us (vastly more pro-democrat on this forum)
to laugh at and poke fun... and gang up on the few reps who brave this forum and try and fight the side of their guy (in this case a very very tough job)

and fair play to them for trying coz this Romney cat is just a complete douche... it's actually hard to believe that out of half the US population of so many brilliant thinkers, business people and academics and writers and speakers that Romney beat his way to the top of that pile with a big handful of cash and a waffle-load of appeasing shmoozy bullsh1t on the back of a disgracefully arrogant and irresponsibly selfish business career of pure wealth collection and a personality of wet cardboard that HE is the guy they ended up with... makes you lose faith that anything will ever change in this game, no matter what Obama tried to promise last time around about money and influence in Washington. It's all bullsh1t.

Obama 2012 yay

Duck Soup wrote: »

The problem is he's not telling the truth. 61% of people who don't pay income tax are paying payroll tax - they're the working poor. Another 20% are seniors, who've paid tax all their lives. Included in the remaining 19% are the disabled, including disabled army vets. These people make up the 47% who are Romney's moochers and takers.

Incidentally, taking as many people out of the tax net as possible has been the policy of successive Republican and Democratic administrations, in order to make work a more attractive proposition when moving people off welfare.

Tax people making very little money and you (a) put them further into poverty and (b) disincentivize the move from welfare to work. Good luck to Mr. Romney if he wants to stand on that platform.

Yup. And the numbers, if anyone has the time to read them, back you up.

Contrary to "Entitlement Society" Rhetoric, Over Nine-Tenths of Entitlement Benefits Go to Elderly, Disabled, or Working Households

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3677&fb_source=message

I find it extraordinary, but not surprising in the least, that certain posters have their BS shot down in burning flames, right before their eyes, and yet keep coming back to post the same, utterly discredited pablum over and over again.

There is nothing new under the sun.

Duck Soup wrote: »

The problem is he's not telling the truth. 61% of people who don't pay income tax are paying payroll tax - they're the working poor. Another 20% are seniors, who've paid tax all their lives. Included in the remaining 19% are the disabled, including disabled army vets. These people make up the 47% who are Romney's moochers and takers.

Incidentally, taking as many people out of the tax net as possible has been the policy of successive Republican and Democratic administrations, in order to make work a more attractive proposition when moving people off welfare.

Tax people making very little money and you (a) put them further into poverty and (b) disincentivize the move from welfare to work. Good luck to Mr. Romney if he wants to stand on that platform.

And with the majority of new employment minimum wage type stuff it seems you are damned if you, damned if you don't.

Reekwind wrote: »

This wasn't a gaffe of Romney's. A gaffe is when you have a slip of the tongue or make a meal of a message. Instead this was Romney telling an audience of rich donors how he actually views the world. It was the most honest that we've seen Mitt and it spelt out, in some detail, how he perceives American society

Welcome to the real Mitt Romney. At last

yes deffo agree... but it may even be a bit more than that too. A gaffe to most people is as you say a slip of the tongue and just messing up some situation or other with a knee jerk comment or ill thought out response but either way this would still be regarded by the media as a 'gaffe moment'... a single moment where one candidate or other shoots themselves as you say in the foot or in this case possibly directly in the face!

but Mitt wasn't necessarily just being totally candid and himself and totally honest in this situation in my view... he was playing to the mob - in this case a room of rich people (which doesn't make them bad people!) and he needs their 50k cash (prob 500k to 1Mill between them!!!) so he was just pandering to that particular audience to get what HE wants.. exactly what he wants for exactly what he thinks they want... and THAT is the real Mitt Romney.

A business man to the center of his sole..

as a result of being brought up in an undiluted 100% pure capitalist family, friends and college 'culture'. It's all about the deal with Mitt. He doesn't exhibit any tendencies to really believe in almost anything at all in my view he's like a machine, purely built to win money or win benefits for himself. He sees every situation as an easy game of I do what they want - I get what I want! It matters not a damn to him whether he comes off as looking slightly insanely foolish with every bad flip flop or incomprehensibly inane move but in fact he is laughing all the way through all this because he thinks he knows how the system works to the core (and depending on how cynical you are he may in fact actually know) he's been part of it, the HAVES... as apposed to the HAVE-NOTS. He views the world as a table for the rich and well.. everyone else who serve merely to enrich those who can get it from them. He thinks there's only so much room at the table and you're either on the inside or the outside and he most assuredly is on the inside and possibly views himself as one of those few who completely understand how the inside works, how to get there and stay there and sacrifice any unworthy principles such as moral consideration for others or social responsibility for the the purpose of winning! which to him is to gain as much power and wealth as possible no matter what the greater consequences are. Greed IS great to Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan.. the difference between the two is that Paul Ryan is an idealist capitalist.. he sees a greater purpose in what he does... he's like Paul Wolfowitz, he feels he was put here to cause great changes and only he knows what the right way is, whereas Romney doesn't give a ****... he literally is laughing at us all because he knows( or believes which is the same thing to him) that money is all that matters, fukc the poor! and win or lose he's set up for life and cares not for greater purpose as Ryan at least does (even if I disagree with every ounce of his being).