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Gay Marriage/Marriage Equality/End of World?

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  • #842
    Mickeroo
    Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,670 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    Just saw this on BBC news. Full story here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19555757
    Nick Clegg retracts 'bigot' attack on gay marriage opponents

    Nick Clegg has withdrawn comments about opponents of gay marriage in which he called them "bigots".

    The deputy PM was expected to launch an attack on opponents of the policy - which include some Tory MPs - in a speech at a reception later.

    But the wording of extracts released to the media has been changed.

    Sources close to Mr Clegg said the "bigot" claim was "a mistake" in an early draft of the speech which should not have been released to the press.

    But Former Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Carey said the remarks were "very offensive".

    "If he persists in taking that view I and others would be very offended, he said.

    "To be called a bigot is a very offensive statement and I would ask him to recall it...because there are issues here that demand very serious debate."

    How does everyone feel about this? It might not be the most diplomatic thing to put in a speech but I'd have to agree with referring to the opposition views as a bit bigotted in this day and age. I don't really feel the uproar is justified tbh.


  • #843
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Correct thing to do.A racist doesn't like being called a racist, bigots don't like being called bigots and it's politics you've got to (unfortunately!) work with these people to reach a compromise.
    [The reason why they kick up such a fuss about these remarks though is because they actually have no valid defence for their ignorant viewpoints so they'd much prefer use the smokescreen the blatant mud slinging offers them.]


  • #844
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    Just saw this on BBC news. Full story here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19555757



    How does everyone feel about this? It might not be the most diplomatic thing to put in a speech but I'd have to agree with referring to the opposition views as a bit bigotted in this day and age. I don't really feel the uproar is justified tbh.

    I'd have loved if he stuck by the comment. To any criticisms, he could respond with 'Prove that you're not bigoted'. :D He seems like a rather uninvolved politician even though he's in the coalition(publicly anyway), why not take advantage of his position?


  • #845
    doctoremma
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,870 ✭✭✭doctoremma


    Corkfeen wrote: »
    I'd have loved if he stuck by the comment. To any criticisms, he could respond with 'Prove that you're not bigoted'. :D He seems like a rather uninvolved politician even though he's in the coalition(publicly anyway), why not take advantage of his position?

    Agree. The Cleggmeister, who I inadvertently installed in his current role, is in just the right position to yap away with impunity. Cameron (who I even more annoyingly handed power to) can distance himself from it as an official party position.


  • #846
    Mark Hamill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,857 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    How does everyone feel about this?

    I like how the archbishop is offended at being called a bigot, but does not actually contradict it. An unusual showing of honesty from a member of the clergy :pac:.


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  • #847
    MrPudding
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,779 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    doctoremma wrote: »
    Agree. The Cleggmeister, who I inadvertently installed in his current role, is in just the right position to yap away with impunity. Cameron (who I even more annoyingly handed power to) can distance himself from it as an official party position.
    Pah. At least you had a choice. I live in Buckingham, which ios the seat of the speaker. There is a convention that dictates that none of the major parties will go against the speaker, so I have a choice of a number of single issue independents, the Monster Raving Loony Party or UKIP. Considering I am massively pro European, not a great choice. :mad:

    MrP


  • #848
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,541 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    But... they are bigots... :confused:


  • #849
    doctoremma
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,870 ✭✭✭doctoremma


    MrPudding wrote: »
    Pah. At least you had a choice. I live in Buckingham, which ios the seat of the speaker. There is a convention that dictates that none of the major parties will go against the speaker, so I have a choice of a number of single issue independents, the Monster Raving Loony Party or UKIP. Considering I am massively pro European, not a great choice. :mad:

    MrP

    I'd be furious if I were you. The Speaker isn't a political position so why do they hold a constituency? Maybe this position should be elected by parliament for a notional constituency?


  • #850
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    Clegg should not be holding back - he should tell it like it is, otherwise he's just coming across as spineless.


  • #851
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Catholic university in the US lumps gay people in with murders, rapists and the mentally ill:

    Media report: http://www.npr.org/2012/09/10/160763549/college-course-lumps-homosexuality-rape-murder

    Catholic source:http://www.franciscan.edu/PsychologySociologySocialWork/Classes/
    Franciscan University wrote:
    DEVIANT BEHAVIOR focuses on the sociological theories of deviant behavior such as strain theory, differential association theory, labeling theory, and phenomenological theory. The behaviors that are primarily examined are murder, rape, robbery, prostitution, homosexuality, mental illness, and drug use. The course focuses on structural conditions in society that potentially play a role in influencing deviant behavior.


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  • #852
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Penn wrote: »
    But... they are bigots... :confused:


    They may be coalition partner bigots, however, which would make things a bit 'difficult' politically.


  • #853
    Actor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 348 ✭✭Actor


    robindch wrote: »
    Catholic university in the US lumps gay people in with murders, rapists and the mentally ill:

    Media report: http://www.npr.org/2012/09/10/160763549/college-course-lumps-homosexuality-rape-murder

    Catholic source:http://www.franciscan.edu/PsychologySociologySocialWork/Classes/

    Catholics preach that homosexuality is a deviant behaviour. Shock horror!

    Fair play to them.


  • #854
    ShooterSF
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    Actor wrote: »
    Catholics preach that homosexuality is a deviant behaviour. Shock horror!

    Fair play to them.

    And mental illness. Yeah fair play to them.


  • #855
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    When the gay revolution comes, I bet Actor will be first up against the wall.

    tumblr_m84u9uf2tV1qg38m8.png


  • #856
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    Actor wrote: »
    Catholics preach that homosexuality is a deviant behaviour. Shock horror!

    Fair play to them.

    As a seasoned thespian, that must really get on your wick, luvvy.


  • #857
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    Actor wrote: »
    Catholics preach that homosexuality is a deviant behaviour. Shock horror!

    Fair play to them.

    You're back! Unfortunately I don't believe that bull**** claims through pseudoscience should be taught as fact in universities.......


  • #858
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Actor wrote: »
    Catholics preach that homosexuality is a deviant behaviour. Shock horror!

    .......

    It is. I'd have thought some of them would have categorised it as "friendship that crossed a boundary line". Evidently that doesn't apply between consenting adults.....


  • #859
    MrPudding
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,779 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    Sarky wrote: »
    When the gay revolution comes, I bet Actor will be first up against the wall.

    tumblr_m84u9uf2tV1qg38m8.png

    Me thinks the lady doth protest too much...

    MrP


  • #860
    NuMarvel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭NuMarvel


    ShooterSF wrote: »
    And mental illness. Yeah fair play to them.

    Don't ya know? People with mental illness should totally be lumped in with murderers and rapists and the like.

    And based on his comments in another thread, Actor thinks that being gay leads to mental illness, so he probably agrees that having a mental illness is a deviant behaviour... :rolleyes:


  • #861
    Actor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 348 ✭✭Actor


    NuMarvel wrote: »
    Don't ya know? People with mental illness should totally be lumped in with murderers and rapists and the like.

    And based on his comments in another thread, Actor thinks that being gay leads to mental illness, so he probably agrees that having a mental illness is a deviant behaviour... :rolleyes:

    Why then do homosexuals suffer from depression and suicide much more frequently than the general population?

    I'd steer well clear of bum "sex" tbqh.


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  • #862
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Actor wrote: »
    Why then do homosexuals suffer from depression and suicide much more frequently than the general population?

    Because of people like you tbqfh.


  • #863
    Actor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 348 ✭✭Actor


    Sarky wrote: »
    Because of people like you tbqfh.

    Yeah, sure. It's quite evident from my experience on boards.ie, that not one homosexual person gives two tiddlywinks what I have to say about their behaviour.

    Anyway, in my opinion; going against the grain of nature leads to all kinds of problems.


  • #864
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Gone into the LGBT forum and lectured them on the error of their ways, have you?


  • #865
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    Actor wrote: »
    Yeah, sure. It's quite evident from my experience on boards.ie, that not one homosexual person gives two tiddlywinks what I have to say about their behaviour.

    Anyway, in my opinion; going against the grain of nature leads to all kinds of problems.
    Homosexuality is prevalent in nature, but hey, don't let facts get in the way of your simple mindedness.


  • #866
    Actor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 348 ✭✭Actor


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    Homosexuality is prevalent in nature, but hey, don't let facts get in the way of your simple mindedness.

    So are other deviant behaviours. Replication of nature is not a moral argument.


  • #867
    Actor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 348 ✭✭Actor


    Sarky wrote: »
    Gone into the LGBT forum and lectured them on the error of their ways, have you?

    They're not interested in objectivity in there. They're obsessed with self-gratification and individuality.


  • #868
    28064212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,090 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    Actor wrote: »
    Yeah, sure. It's quite evident from my experience on boards.ie, that not one homosexual person gives two tiddlywinks what I have to say about their behaviour.

    Anyway, in my opinion; going against the grain of nature leads to all kinds of problems.
    I take it you don't fly, drive, use man-made buildings or receive any sort of operations (man was meant to die from appendicitis)

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  • #869
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Bahahahahahahahaa. You're afraid of them, aren't you Actor?


  • #870
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Actor wrote: »
    Why then do homosexuals suffer from depression and suicide much more frequently than the general population?

    I'd steer well clear of bum "sex" tbqh.

    Because of years of being put down and abused and being told you were evil by cretins that were turning a blind eye to the real evil in their midst.


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  • #871
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    Sarky wrote: »
    Bahahahahahahahaa. You're afraid of them, aren't you Actor?
    He's clearly a closet homosexual.


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