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North Korean leader rounded up "short" people in the capital and had them shipped off

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  • #32
    Jonny7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    enno99 wrote: »
    there was a thread on that here

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055919560

    Indeed there are some threads on this forum concerning different countries - the difference is it will the the same posters endlessly trying to link MOSSAD or the CIA with virtually every incident. That's the point - conspiracies do happen in other countries and can be as a result of said countries own government and agencies.

    Shall we point the microscope at Russia?
    there is also reports in the media recently about NK gulags

    Report sheds fresh light on North Korean gulag

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17668076

    But you went for the sensational approach ( for which you and others constantly deride other posters )with NK exterminating short people
    that was based on the testimony of one author who heard it from a friend

    Much of the information from North Korea is along these lines, surreal, bizarre, second-hand information. Most of what we know about the gulags is from escaped prisoners themselves, it's only be correlating their stories can we build a picture.

    The gulags are essentially an accepted fact of life in NK, the iictional FEMA camps in the US are not - which garners more attention from CTers, fact or fiction? what is Alex Jones or the prisonplanet forums buzzing with? the search for the truth my arse :)

    This thread seems to be ending up more a study of the nature of conspiracy theories and posters here rather than discussion on the subject matter - which is pretty interesting in itself.


  • #33
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    This thread seems to be ending up more a study of the nature of conspiracy theories and posters here rather than discussion on the subject matter - which is pretty interesting in itself.
    To be fair you are as much as a conspiracy theorist as anyone else here IMO. You swallowed uncritically every anti-Gadaffi conspiracy theory doing the rounds that came straight from the imagination of lyings hacks. You also nailed your colours to the mast early as well in support of The "Palestinians did the Eilat bus attacks" conspiracy theory, subsequently proved false.

    But enough about you. Why do you think the serial "debunkers" don't try and "debunk" your CT?


  • #34
    Jonny7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    You swallowed uncritically every anti-Gadaffi conspiracy theory doing the rounds that came straight from the imagination of lyings hacks.
    You also nailed your colours to the mast early as well in support of The "Palestinians did the Eilat bus attacks" conspiracy theory, subsequently proved false.

    Actually I would class myself as a conspiracy theorist, but generally more realistic or more probable scenario's, such as recent UK political scandals, phone-hacking, Libor fixing, etc but not really into the whole "OMG European soldiers are beheading Libyan civilians!!11" and all that silly stuff


  • #35
    SIR PEADO BAILOUT
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 97 ✭✭SIR PEADO BAILOUT


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    Actually I would class myself as a conspiracy theorist, but generally more realistic or more probable scenario's, such as recent UK political scandals, phone-hacking, Libor fixing, etc but not really into the whole "OMG European soldiers are beheading Libyan civilians!!11" and all that silly stuff

    Still a little `short` on the facts though aren`t we,`silly stuff` indeed :rolleyes:


  • #36
    Torakx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Torakx


    I dont really see this thread topic as a conspiracy theory really.
    If it really happened, it was well known around the world.

    If it didnt, then you have a CT, but thats not where your stance is, once again you go with the official version, which is fair enough, i happen to think that most likely to be the case aswell.
    I dont mean to rain on the parade, because im sure there is stuff going on in NK that the rest of the world may not even know about.

    We already know they wont report on it in the mainstream media (maybe the odd bbc docu) for the obvious reasons.

    An example of a western CT similar to this one might be the US invading Iraq for wmd's when the whole world already knows its not about that at all.Except i think the NK one is even more accepted than the one i mentioned.
    Sorry couldnt find a better example off the top of my head.


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  • #37
    Jonny7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    Torakx wrote: »
    I dont really see this thread topic as a conspiracy theory really.
    If it really happened, it was well known around the world.

    It simply doesn't contain the elements to really interest the CT community.


  • #38
    Jonny7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    SIR PEADO BAILOUT wrote: »
    Still a little `short` on the facts though aren`t we,`silly stuff` indeed :rolleyes:

    Sure I can fill any gaps with bible prophecies ;)


  • #39
    anniemcl
    Site Banned Posts: 25 ✭anniemcl


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    Sure I can fill any gaps with bible prophecies ;)

    sure why not.israelis are doin well


  • #40
    Joshua J
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Joshua J


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    It simply doesn't contain the elements to really interest the CT community.

    You didn't fool anyone Johnny. I think that's your issue.

    Anyway, vertically challenged North Koreans are far better off now than anytime in history, therefore no conspiracy.


  • #41
    Jonny7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    Anyway, vertically challenged North Koreans are far better off now than anytime in history, therefore no conspiracy.

    That's your own personal interpretation.

    We rarely witness any of the traditional CTer's here challenge many of the CT's presented now do we - so thought it might be interesting if "skeptics" introduced more CTs - the response as you can see is a role reversal.

    Concerning the issue - yes it pretty much ticks all the boxes as a CT - it just doesn't contain the elements that really interest the CT community, that's pretty obvious.


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  • #42
    Joshua J
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Joshua J


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    That's your own personal interpretation.

    We rarely witness any of the traditional CTer's here challenge many of the CT's presented now do we - so thought it might be interesting if "skeptics" introduced more CTs - the response as you can see is a role reversal.

    Concerning the issue - yes it pretty much ticks all the boxes as a CT - it just doesn't contain the elements that really interest the CT community, that's pretty obvious.


    Hmmmmm, interesting.


  • #43
    A Primal Nut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭A Primal Nut


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    That's your own personal interpretation.

    We rarely witness any of the traditional CTer's here challenge many of the CT's presented now do we - so thought it might be interesting if "skeptics" introduced more CTs - the response as you can see is a role reversal.

    Concerning the issue - yes it pretty much ticks all the boxes as a CT - it just doesn't contain the elements that really interest the CT community, that's pretty obvious.

    The reason it's not an interest for the CT community is there is nothing really to debate - almost everyone outside North Korea seems to believe this story; as there is no alternative view put forward; there really isn't anything to debate. If North Koreans were allowed to discuss this, then yes it would be interesting (as they might put forward an alternative view that this didn't happen). But in their absence you have everyone agreeing with each other (CT community, anti-CT community, official sources here in the west, human rights agencies) so it's not really a conspiracy theory.

    Conspiracy Theories in my opinion, would as a starting point, require at least 50% of the population to believe the opposite viewpoint. Otherwise it's not a conspiracy theory, but an established viewpoint.


  • #44
    Jonny7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    Oh I'd go much further and say it's completely subjective. Dozens of bombs and terrorist attacks happened in the last month - none of which garner much interest from this community unless they are in a specific location.

    As for generating debate? well it's often no more rational debate than the witch-trials were actually trials.


  • #45
    Torakx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Torakx


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    Oh I'd go much further and say it's completely subjective. Dozens of bombs and terrorist attacks happened in the last month - none of which garner much interest from this community unless they are in a specific location.

    As for generating debate? well it's no more rational debate than the witch-trials were actually trials. It's a bit like Ghost-hunters really, if something goes bump in the night, it has to be a ghost, and anyone who thinks there is a rational explanation obviously doesn't see the truth man.

    OMG dude just post a CT if there is one!
    For someone who posted a "CT" you have a terrible time staying on topic.
    Im starting to think you have no interest in CT's and more in the actual people who propegate them.

    In which case you can still contribute to the forums, maybe a thread about the new age movement being a conspiracy to subvert CT minded peoples views on the world, much like religion keeps others busy and sports etc.
    Its a CT im totally on board with, bcause i do believe the new age movement has been either started or hijacked to mis-inform and direct attention into the wrong places.

    Honestly i dont watch the news at all on tv or the internet.
    I pick up news tid bits on these forums and then look into it when i have time.
    So please post actual CT's we can discuss.
    The post above yours explains what i have been trying to tell you aswell through this thread.

    Its not about posters here hating Americas or not all at least.Its about finding motives too and many other things.
    Again i say this thread is not easy to discuss because for the most part everyone is in agreement...
    Or did you want just a million thanks under your main post and no comments?
    Im confused...

    How about a CT on those terrorist attacks?
    To me thy could actually be legit considering NK's iron rule.Or it could be as we have in the west (in my view) with gov using it to keep control of rebels.
    That would be a discussion.


  • #46
    Jonny7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    Torakx wrote: »
    OMG dude just post a CT if there is one!
    For someone who posted a "CT" you have a terrible time staying on topic.
    Im starting to think you have no interest in CT's and more in the actual people who propegate them.

    We aren't discussing the CT, we're discussing the nature of CT's in general.

    My own personal interest is in the truth.. which in the case of most threads here involves debunking a lot of fiction.


  • #47
    Torakx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Torakx


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    We aren't discussing the CT, we're discussing the nature of CT's in general.

    My own personal interest is in the truth.. which in the case of most threads here involves debunking a lot of fiction.

    I must be in the wrong thread then.. i thought this was supposed to be about a CT, albeit one that has no need for dicussion since you dont have a conspiracy theory but more a post about what everyone thinks happened.

    I can make loads of those no problem but whats the point?
    Id much rather a topic that has alot of grey areas that just dont add up and need investigation.

    What kind of discussion did you want about these short people beign shipped away?
    Im honestly curious what you expected here.Because the only issues i have with that "CT" is that the only confirmation you have given is some guys testimony that it happened.
    Even then i still agree with you it is most likely what happened.And that doesnt seem to be good enough because i havent acted as you wish?
    Im just here to discuss theories on peoples hidden agendas in bussiness,politics and global rule etc.

    Not here to argue with people and force my opinion.
    Im also interested int he truth, but i dont mind diccussing possibilities to others view on the truth either.


  • #48
    Jonny7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    Torakx wrote: »
    What kind of discussion did you want about these short people beign shipped away?
    Im honestly curious what you expected here.

    Compared to the average "discussion" here? really? I appear to be missing several ingredients alright. CIA, psychics and bible predictions. Again, like I said - it doesn't contain the typical elements.

    Anyway someone requested it in another thread so I posted it up. I didn't expect much.


  • #49
    Torakx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Torakx


    Ok, well im sorry i expected an honest go at a Ct thread.
    You cant seem to get past your views of people here for this to work :(

    you had people agreeing with you and it didnt seem good enough, then someone dissagreed and we got the same response if noot worse.
    All this time you keep talking about CIA and america and now bibles and psychics.
    None of the regular posters here mentioned this stuff yet you continue to focus on that.
    This is looking like a troll attempt, which is fair enough if thats what your doing, its better than the alternative.

    If your here to focus on the posters and not the topics, that puts a bad light on posters who have similar responses to yourself in other threads.
    And confirms your bias takes precedence over evidence to me.

    I used to be biased in the other direction, but i believe i have balanced out, if your in the same situation, i wish you the best with reaching a point where you dont give a toss what people think regarding their world view and can just enjoy the chat and topics instead.

    You dont have to convert everyone.Some people need to help themselves and others are just fine as they are.


  • #50
    SIR PEADO BAILOUT
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 97 ✭✭SIR PEADO BAILOUT


    Jonny7 wrote: »

    Anyway someone requested it in another thread so I posted it up. I didn't expect much.

    Ahh sure now the blame is someone else,and you`d be the bitter biter of da Boards,well sure there`s plenty more CT in te sea :P


  • #51
    Jonny7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    Torakx wrote: »
    Ok, well im sorry i expected an honest go at a Ct thread.
    You cant seem to get past your views of people here for this to work :(

    Like I said before it was to prove a point. There is little or no interest in CTs that don't involve the usual US/Israel/UK.
    you had people agreeing with you and it didnt seem good enough, then someone dissagreed and we got the same response if noot worse.
    All this time you keep talking about CIA and america and now bibles and psychics.
    None of the regular posters here mentioned this stuff yet you continue to focus on that.
    This is looking like a troll attempt, which is fair enough if thats what your doing, its better than the alternative.

    Not trolling, just challenging posts like this
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=80344804&postcount=26
    You dont have to convert everyone.Some people need to help themselves and others are just fine as they are.

    It's not a religion last time I checked, there shouldn't be any converting going on.


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  • #52
    Torakx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Torakx


    No offence intended, i think your not fully appreciating the meaning behind the words conspiracy and convert.
    Its no conspiracy about the short people in NK its an apparently known incident unless you have a CT around it not really happening.

    con·spir·a·cy/kənˈspirəsē/

    Noun:
    • A secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.
    • The action of plotting or conspiring.

    con·vert/kənˈvərt/

    Verb:Cause to change in form, character, or function.
    Noun:A person who has been persuaded to change their religious faith or other beliefs.


    It looks condesending i know but thats what i mean when i use these words.
    Granted the word or abbreviation of CT is taking on new meanings, so in some ways this thread topic might have some Ct related areas.
    But i would be grateful if you could point them out for me to be more clear.
    Or even better, get the ball rolling on that terrorist acts you mentioned in NK.
    A rough guess might be its lead by the south or once again America who are pretty much wedged into the south of Korea iirc.

    Dont you dare pull me on that america comment lol they are involved in south korea last time i looked anyway.Not my fault they cant mind their own business.

    Since i have to back everythign up around these forums including definitions heres what i mean regarding America and the south of Korea.

    http://www.brecorder.com/world/southeast-asia/75388-north-koreas-kim-threatens-war-over-us-south-korea-drill-.html


  • #53
    Jonny7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    Torakx wrote: »
    con·spir·a·cy/kənˈspirəsē/

    Noun:
    • A secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.
    • The action of plotting or conspiring.

    Which is what this was.

    A secret plan by the perpetrators to do something unlawful/harmful

    They conspired to do it, did the victims know? no. Does the NK population know? largely no.

    A conspiracy.

    Did it definitely happen? we don't know. Therefore theory.


  • #54
    Torakx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Torakx


    And what kind of repsonse did you expect upon posting a "CT" everyone for the most part were agreed most likely happened?
    you pretty much posted something that had not got much to it at all.
    We are not in north korea we are in the west.Therefore to us this is not a CT and not secretive at all.

    If you lived in NK or your target audience were Korean then it would apply.

    Heres an example.I could post on this forum showing somehow that the Irish are in better living conditions than people in North Korea and that NK are hiding this fact from its people.

    The only way this is a Ct is if your from North Korea and still stuck in that place with a distorted view of the outside world.
    I am running out of ways to make this any clearer lol


  • #55
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Johnny,
    Whatever it was you were trying to do backfired. Lick your wounds and move on before you embarrass yourself any further.

    FYI "conspiracy theorists" aren't a homogenous group. You'd do well to remember that in future.


  • #56
    Jonny7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    Torakx wrote: »
    And what kind of repsonse did you expect upon posting a "CT" everyone for the most part were agreed most likely happened?

    It's a CT, I posted it, I'm not psychic regarding responses.
    you pretty much posted something that had not got much to it at all.

    Sorry it didn't titillate you, I found it pretty horrendous.
    We are not in north korea we are in the west.Therefore to us this is not a CT and not secretive at all.

    Actually, yes it is a CT. Likewise any from China or Russia are still CT's. Not location dependent - unless you are proving my point on that?
    If you lived in NK or your target audience were Korean then it would apply.

    Do you live in the US or Israel?
    Heres an example.I could post on this forum showing somehow that the Irish are in better living conditions than people in North Korea and that NK are hiding this fact from its people.

    Who's conspiring? that's just a fact.
    The only way this is a Ct is if your from North Korea and still stuck in that place with a distorted view of the outside world.
    I am running out of ways to make this any clearer lol

    Nope, you're just proving it's entirely subjective.

    Like I said before, technically it's a conspiracy theory, what's the big turn-off?

    Seems to me conspiracy theories don't have much of a definition at all and are determined by someone's own personal interests.

    Having a quick look at 90% of CTs on this forum - it certainly appears that way.


  • #57
    Torakx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Torakx


    rofl ok you win.I have given enough time to this troll attempt or just plain ignorance.
    You obviously do not undertand or are purposefully pretending not to.
    So il leave you to discuss CT posters in your NK thread.Sorry i tried to encourage you to be a part of this little community.


  • #58
    Jonny7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    Torakc don't take it personally, it's a debate, next time I'll dig up something more 'debateable'.


  • #59
    SIR PEADO BAILOUT
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 97 ✭✭SIR PEADO BAILOUT


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    next time I'll dig up something more 'debateable'.

    Jaysus yeah looking forward to that :rolleyes: nothing `short` now keep digging away :pac:


  • #60
    Jonny7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,696 ✭✭✭Jonny7


    SIR PEADO BAILOUT wrote: »
    Jaysus yeah looking forward to that :rolleyes: nothing `short` now keep digging away :pac:

    lol I wouldn't hold my breath


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  • #61
    stuar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭stuar


    Jonny7 wrote: »
    lol I wouldn't hold my breath

    I honestly wouldn't blame you not trying this again, it really should be moved to the failure forum, but it doesn't exist, much like your CT so here it stays.

    Maybe this could be stickied for this seasons lambs, who'll soon be joining this forum, kinda like a guide of how not to do it, you started off with your CT, then decided "we aren't discussing the CT", the CT I'm still waiting to read about to be honest.

    I remember reading once about a North Korean limbo dancing competition and the competitors who just walked under the pole were whisked off to a paradise island, the bar was set at 4' 3".
    When the leader visited the island his towering 5' 3" presence earned him the name King Jong Kong, he then kidnapped a film director to make Godzilla v's King Jong Kong and used all the little people as extra's, when filming was complete they were used to man North Korea's midget submarines.
    Maybe the source of your CT was jealous he wasn't in the movie and fabricated the whole non CT.

    Hey that's another CT just like yours:

    Conspiracy: The source fabricated the whole story= A secret plan by the perpetrators to do something unlawful/harmful

    They conspired to do it, did the victims know? no. Does the NK population know? largely no.

    A conspiracy.


    Did it definitely happen? we don't know. Therefore theory.

    Getting back to the CT, what height was short, was there an age limit or were kids rounded up also, what was the name of the island, was there nothing on the island to make a mini rafts out of and make it back to land of the giants?


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