North Korean leader rounded up "short" people in the capital and had them shipped off

Jonny7

Apparently Kim Jong Il (the recently deceased one) rounded up all the short people in PyongJang using propaganda pamphlets and had them shipped to two separate uninhabited islands where they were left to die.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2008/08/12/the_secret_history_of_kim_jong_il?

shedweller

What's the conspiracy?

Torakx

Doesnt sound suprising considering the footage ive seen in a documentary.
Its annoying having the language barrier, i cant exactly start digging around through newspapers from korea...if they even are online.

and lol @ shedweller...somebody was gonna say it

SIR PEADO BAILOUT

shedweller wrote: »

What's the conspiracy?

And sure what`s the problem,if I got the chance I`d ship a boat load of jackeens to Achill feckin short arses bringing us shame :P

Jonny7

shedweller wrote: »

What's the conspiracy?

The conspiracy is in the title and the story, unless you think it's public information and the citizens of Korea actually know about it and approve it. This is more to prove there is not so much an interest or debate in CT's as such.. that it's more that the interest/debate is regarding CT's only from select countries (e.g. US) or areas of interest (NASA).

enno99

Jonny7 wrote: »

The conspiracy is in the title and the story, unless you think it's public information and the citizens of Korea actually know about it and approve it. This is more to prove there is not so much an interest or debate in CT's as such.. that it's more that the interest/debate is regarding CT's only from select countries (e.g. US) or areas of interest (NASA).

Is there more than one source for this story
Or is it just one persons account of what happened ?

Torakx

Well the conspiracy was to ship short people to an island to starve to death.

Im taking it that the rest of the world outside of Korea believes this happened and that the Korean people....not sure.. what do they think happened?

A conspiracy is ussually secretive or misleading.
If you said this is actually not what happened you might have a Ct on your hands, and i would be right behind you trying to see if that might be propoganda from the west.
But to me it does seem like the sort of thing these families would do.

Jonny7

Torakx wrote: »

Im taking it that the rest of the world outside of Korea believes this happened and that the Korean people....not sure.. what do they think happened?

The North Korean people have no idea really, they don't have access to other sources of information, everything is very tightly controlled. Many of them truly believe their leader is actually a deity, that he is infinitely more important than members of their own family, that they are a unique race and their country is absolute paradise compared to foreign countries.

Actually the only person who truly has basic rights in the country is the leader himself. It's 25-odd million people trapped (mentally and physically) in a brutal cult of personality.

nyarlothothep

In many ways NK is a cautionary example for all of us. Any country could eventually end up like NK given the right set of conditions. The cult of personality and mindless bureaucracy/authoritarianism lurks in every society and is attributable to particular psychologies which we should always be vigilant about, the authoritarian personality type should never become invested into the state appartus to the extent of NK or any police state, if at all.

Torakx

Theres a great documentary floating about somewhere.
The person doing it got into alot of places but was constantly with handlers.
It was very insightful into how controlled that nation is and reinforces to me the need to be wary of our own gov who i can see heading in this direction albeit not with a deity in mind.
More like a reputable system organised to serve the people.
Which it isnt and wont be.but thats another theory i suppose.

Its not that I focus on the west as much as the west are ingratiating themselves or plain bullying their way onto foreign soil.
Combine this witht he fact i live in the west and im mostly exposed to western propoganda, i thinks its likely alot of my suspicions would fall on areas i come in contact with more regularly.

I find i cant really discuss this current topic because it seems to be already understood worldwide that this is what happened, i cant find any evidence it hasnt happened.So im in full agreement and holding only a small suspicion that its over blown stories by the west to make N Korea look bad...but they kinda do that all by themselves.

It would be a CT if we were Korean living under that system though

Jonny7

nyarlothothep wrote: »

In many ways NK is a cautionary example for all of us. Any country could eventually end up like NK given the right set of conditions. The cult of personality and mindless bureaucracy/authoritarianism lurks in every society and is attributable to particular psychologies which we should always be vigilant about, the authoritarian personality type should never become invested into the state appartus to the extent of NK or any police state, if at all.

Absolutely and history has plenty of examples; ancient Rome, South American civilizations, East Germany in the seventies/eighties, etc, etc. What makes North Korea such a travesty is the fact that it exists in the 21st century, and that there is just no hope really, there's no "Arab spring" or "fall of the iron curtain" on the horizon for these people - they are under the most absolute form of control and modern technology just makes it more effective and total, I mean how do you even begin instigate an uprising when you can't trust members of your own family not to report you to the authorities and get subsequently shipped to one of these places

Torakx

Remember the movie Equilibrium?
That might be the west in 50-100 years ^^

Imagine there is a worldwide conspiracy from Elites all over the world,who have decided to consolidate power and create a "round table" of sorts.

North Korea would be of great interest to them.Also Russias means of control years back i believe was possibly an experiemnt to see how it would work out compared to democracy.

Im just imagining, but considering the secret societies worldwide and how they are starting to meet up more and more in the last few hundred years, i dont discount the idea too fast just yet.

It seems to me from a dictator/rulers perspective that in a society with acess to alot of information democracy works best.
With a society berift of information democracy could lead to rebellion and the Korean/russian models might be more effective.

The same way the US government and state structure is quite similar to the new european structure but not as effective at pasing legislation as the european one.
Seems like progress in the wrong direction unless you are rich or powerfull.

davoxx

Jonny7 wrote: »

The conspiracy is in the title and the story, unless you think it's public information and the citizens of Korea actually know about it and approve it. This is more to prove there is not so much an interest or debate in CT's as such.. that it's more that the interest/debate is regarding CT's only from select countries (e.g. US) or areas of interest (NASA).

well i promised i'd have a look so here i am. i now regret it. it seems that that story was there just to do some commie bashing of the now dead north korean leader.

point 1: the only ct i can assume is that you are saying that the media (western?) hid this when they knew about it.
that does not make sense.
the west love bashing north korea, they fear communism so much that any chance anyone mentions anything about fairness, communism is trotted out as the absolute evil.

point 2: the story focuses on his old teacher's friend confirming the story.
why did he wait till now to reveal this information? seems suspect.
is there any other evidence to back up the story?

point 3: usa/isreal/uk cts are far more juicy because they are a far bigger more powerful country that purports to be about freedom, but was built on slavery and continues to oppress sovereign nations.

can you see how a story of a priest/teacher raping a boy would garner more attention than just some random bloke. if you can't see that, then you'll never understand why there is disgust at a county and it's population who should know better.

but to be fair, there were cts about russia/china/india/pakistain ... just not north korea as it is really an isolated country, but that is because america wants it that way.

damn i mentioned america again ...

Jonny7

davoxx wrote: »

point 1: the only ct i can assume is that you are saying that the media (western?) hid this when they knew about it.
that does not make sense.
the west love bashing north korea, they fear communism so much that any chance anyone mentions anything about fairness, communism is trotted out as the absolute evil.

The conspiracy is that the leader of a country shipped short people out of the capital.

point 2: the story focuses on his old teacher's friend confirming the story.
why did he wait till now to reveal this information? seems suspect.
is there any other evidence to back up the story?

Role-reversal as I predicted in my other thread.

point 3: usa/isreal/uk cts are far more juicy because they are a far bigger more powerful country that purports to be about freedom, but was built on slavery and continues to oppress sovereign nations.

can you see how a story of a priest/teacher raping a boy would garner more attention than just some random bloke. if you can't see that, then you'll never understand why there is disgust at a county and it's population who should know better.

but to be fair, there were cts about russia/china/india/pakistain ... just not north korea as it is really an isolated country, but that is because america wants it that way.

damn i mentioned america again ...

I think I should start making predictions like RTDH. For some CT's are a titillation, a hobby, a curiousity and that's fine, for others CT's appear to be a vehicle or catalyst for a lot of pent up spite and bitterness.

Anyway, as I said, this is a conspiracy theory, there are multiple sources which I can add later if anyone is genuinely interested.

Chazz Michael Michaels

Jonny7 wrote: »

Many of them truly believe that they are a unique race and their country is absolute paradise compared to foreign countries

Not strictly true, they actually are fed the story that they a purer than other countries because they are worse off. That's according to a book I read anyway.

enno99

Jonny7 wrote: »

Anyway, as I said, this is a conspiracy theory, there are multiple sources which I can add later if anyone is genuinely interested.

Would be interesting to see some other sources



"I have made cripples out of normal, healthy people and sent them away for good," he said. "It is inhumane, what I have done. I shall never be able to hold my head up again."

My friend, a well-connected physician at the time, told me that he had been ordered by the Communist Party to pick out the shortest residents of Pyongyang and South Pyongan province. Against his conscience, he went out to those areas and had local party representatives distribute propaganda pamphlets. They claimed that the state had developed a drug that could raise a person's height and was recruiting people to receive the new treatment. In just two days, thousands gathered to take the new drug

What I would like to know if it was a failed experiment or he just wanted to get rid of short people

Brown Bomber

enno99 wrote: »

My friend, a well-connected physician at the time, told me that he had been ordered by the Communist Party to pick out the shortest residents of Pyongyang and South Pyongan province. Against his conscience, he went out to those areas and had local party representatives distribute propaganda pamphlets. They claimed that the state had developed a drug that could raise a person's height and was recruiting people to receive the new treatment. In just two days, thousands gathered to take the new drug

What I would like to know if it was a failed experiment or he just wanted to get rid of short people

I have a theory that the short people are actually clones, but they have no idea themselves. They are being farmed for body parts for elite Koreans should they require them. When they get taken from their village for "new treatment" they are actually getting taken to a lab to have their retinas removed, or whatever :eek:

davoxx

Jonny7 wrote: »

The conspiracy is that the leader of a country shipped short people out of the capital.

so what is the official stance of the missing people?

Jonny7 wrote: »

Role-reversal as I predicted in my other thread.

what roles have been reversed?
link this other thread ...

Jonny7 wrote: »

I think I should start making predictions like RTDH.

you mean you didn't just claim that you made a prediction? okay, enjoy predicting things.

Jonny7 wrote: »

For some CT's are a titillation, a hobby, a curiousity and that's fine,

thank you almighty one for judging that it is okay!!

Jonny7 wrote: »

for others CT's appear to be a vehicle or catalyst for a lot of pent up spite and bitterness.

and that has never ever happened for ct deniers, never ever ever, they never use commies/muslims/terrorism as an excuse, never ever ever ...

and the thing you don't get is that ct are an opportunity to debate regarding the facts where someone feels that the official story may not be entirely true.
and face the facts we have more access to western lies than eastern by virtue of us living in the west. i'm not going to ignore a lie i see just because there might be a lie in another country in the east i haven't see yet.
i call out wrong wherever wrong is.

so don't take out your frustration that people are showing up your favourite nations out on those who point out their follies.
if the west did not commit the crimes, the world would be a lot better place.

Jonny7 wrote: »

Anyway, as I said, this is a conspiracy theory, there are multiple sources which I can add later if anyone is genuinely interested.

i'd like to see them, both the official denial to the event(s), and some evidence to suggest that the event(s) actually happened.

enno99

A poison dwarf that got overlooked

Bobby Baccala

SIR PEADO BAILOUT wrote: »

And sure what`s the problem,if I got the chance I`d ship a boat load of jackeens to Achill feckin short arses bringing us shame :P

Try it, we'll just have a session.

Brown Bomber

enno99 wrote: »

A poison dwarf that got overlooked

In fairness I often overlook Dwarves.

Unless I am sitting down.

Jonny7

davoxx wrote: »

what roles have been reversed?
link this other thread ...

Here's what I said

Cool, I'll post it up and see if a mysterious role-reversal takes place or it's completely ignored

It's in reference to what would happen if I posted a North Korea CT.. roles reversed.. the conspiracy theorists become skeptics.

Shall I try an Iranian CT next?

As for North Korea CT's there are multiple sources online, just google, usually in the form of top 10 lists, etc.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2011/12/19/kim-jong-il-18-strange-facts_n_1157276.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/7803376/South-Korea-warship-sinking-the-top-10-conspiracy-theories.html
http://skeptoid.com/blog/2011/12/19/be-skeptical-of-these-claims-by-the-late-kim-jong-il/
http://abcnews.go.com/International/kim-jong-il-dead-top-10-crazy-facts/story?id=15187293
http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/20-ridiculous-things-you-never-knew-about-kim-jong
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/shortcuts/2011/dec/19/kim-jong-il-things-never-knew

davoxx

Jonny7 wrote: »

Here's what I said



It's in reference to what would happen if I posted a North Korea CT.. roles reversed.. the conspiracy theorists become skeptics.

thanks for that, i wasn't sure what you meant before.

you do not understand what "skeptics" mean ... conspiracy theorists, as you define them, are naturally skeptics, else we would believe the official stories regardless of how silly they are.

so you claim to be a skeptic only against cts and now you claim to believe this ct?
okay

i was a skeptic and i remain a skeptic ... i doubt any story that does not make sense.

the roles have not been reversed ... sorry.

on the plus side it has not been ignored!!

Jonny7 wrote: »

Shall I try an Iranian CT next?

not if it is about dwarfs ...

Jonny7 wrote: »

As for North Korea CT's there are multiple sources online, just google, usually in the form of top 10 lists, etc.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2011/12/19/kim-jong-il-18-strange-facts_n_1157276.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/7803376/South-Korea-warship-sinking-the-top-10-conspiracy-theories.html
http://skeptoid.com/blog/2011/12/19/be-skeptical-of-these-claims-by-the-late-kim-jong-il/
http://abcnews.go.com/International/kim-jong-il-dead-top-10-crazy-facts/story?id=15187293
http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/20-ridiculous-things-you-never-knew-about-kim-jong
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/shortcuts/2011/dec/19/kim-jong-il-things-never-knew

no i was looking for more on the dwarfs issue, one dwarf steps ...

Torakx

I think your too wrapped up with the CT'ers to enjoy the Ct's Johnny.
As mentioned above skepticism is prevailent among Cters.

You are correct some do focus on certain categories, but not all.
I wish i could have gotten into a good discussion with you on this, but there isnt alot to go on regarding this one.
It doesnt seem like he did much in secret.
I do wonder though if the families thought there friends went away to get treatment,why havent they come back etc.
If they are all dead for years now people would be suspicious maybe.
But knowing how well they are controlled, who would actually say anything publically and get away with it.

From a western point of view a CT on this topic would be something along the lines that the official story (from the wests eyes) was false and that he didnt send them away to die.
But i would say its more likely he did, yet i have no evidence only some guys story years later.

Unless you have more evidence i guess we can say it most likely happened, but not definetly.
you effort is appreciated though, even if it may have been a social experiment on your part
Its good to see new people posting Ct's.
Stick around and keep that up and maybe we will convert you

enno99

I thought you might have had some info on this type of experiment that went awry and was covered up

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1946&dat=19830820&id=H1wxAAAAIBAJ&sjid=TKUFAAAAIBAJ&pg=1249,3778452

growth hormone stirs ethics debate

In an american experiment this fall about 200 normally short children will be comitted to years of growth hormone therapy
Despite concerns about possible long term side-effects iincreased risk of diabetes'heart and bone disease and disproportinate growth of the nose ears and lips

Jonny7

davoxx wrote: »

thanks for that, i wasn't sure what you meant before.

you do not understand what "skeptics" mean ... conspiracy theorists, as you define them, are naturally skeptics, else we would believe the official stories regardless of how silly they are.

so you claim to be a skeptic only against cts and now you claim to believe this ct?
okay

i was a skeptic and i remain a skeptic ... i doubt any story that does not make sense.

ROFL

no i was looking for more on the dwarfs issue, one dwarf steps ...

Well NK is pretty tightly controlled so I am suspect of any info that makes it out of that country, still there should be more links online, www.reddit.com has a sub reddit (/northkorea) which has a lot of up to date info etc, it's a good place to start asking

Chazz Michael Michaels

davoxx wrote: »

thanks for that, i wasn't sure what you meant before.

you do not understand what "skeptics" mean ... non-conspiracy theorists, as you define them, are naturally skeptics, else we would believe the conspiracy theory stories regardless of how silly they are.

so you claim to be a skeptic only against the official story and now you claim to believe this official story?
okay

i was a skeptic and i remain a skeptic ... i doubt any story that does not make sense.

Apologies for the edit, but it kind of serves a point.

Jonny7

Torakx wrote: »

You are correct some do focus on certain categories, but not all.
I wish i could have gotten into a good discussion with you on this, but there isnt alot to go on regarding this one.
It doesnt seem like he did much in secret.
I do wonder though if the families thought there friends went away to get treatment,why havent they come back etc.
If they are all dead for years now people would be suspicious maybe.
But knowing how well they are controlled, who would actually say anything publically and get away with it.

The original article I linked is actually quite rare in it's depth, the controls and restrictions and repurcussions make almost everything about NK a "conspiracy theory" so to speak. Most of the stories are just plain sad rather than sensational, so often make for pretty macabre reading.

The sinking of the Cheonan is probably one of the more iwell-known/intriguing.

donalg1

If you ask me this was all just a big misunderstanding and what actually happened was the North Korean Olympics team were gathered together and shipped to Britain (the island) to fend for themselves in competitions.

Torakx

Jonny7 wrote: »

The original article I linked is actually quite rare in it's depth, the controls and restrictions and repurcussions make almost everything about NK a "conspiracy theory" so to speak. Most of the stories are just plain sad rather than sensational, so often make for pretty macabre reading.

The sinking of the Cheonan is probably one of the more iwell-known/intriguing.

Ok am i the only one who read midget submarine and instantly pictured the same folks that were shipped away huddled into a sub?
A bit disrespectfull but my mind can have an evil sense of humour.

I do agree there are alot of sad storeis from that zone.
Its incredible to me that a country can get away with what its doing for so long and yet the western world invades loads of other countries for alot less.
The north Korean royal family for all we know model their regime on Hitlers book.

But this is one of the many reasons why i find Ct's interesting and some of them i actually believe are more likely true than not.

Its sad but back in the day i used to believe charities actually were trying to help and that wars were fought to liberate countries...oh yes and god could hear me.
Further analysis of the book of job thanks to Carl Jung shows that if god is real then he is a complete douchebag anyway!

enno99

Jonny7 wrote: »

The original article I linked is actually quite rare in it's depth, the controls and restrictions and repurcussions make almost everything about NK a "conspiracy theory" so to speak. Most of the stories are just plain sad rather than sensational, so often make for pretty macabre reading.

The sinking of the Cheonan is probably one of the more iwell-known/intriguing.

there was a thread on that here

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055919560


there is also reports in the media recently about NK gulags

Report sheds fresh light on North Korean gulag

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17668076

But you went for the sensational approach ( for which you and others constantly deride other posters )with NK exterminating short people
that was based on the testimony of one author who heard it from a friend

Jonny7

enno99 wrote: »

there was a thread on that here

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055919560

Indeed there are some threads on this forum concerning different countries - the difference is it will the the same posters endlessly trying to link MOSSAD or the CIA with virtually every incident. That's the point - conspiracies do happen in other countries and can be as a result of said countries own government and agencies.

Shall we point the microscope at Russia?

there is also reports in the media recently about NK gulags

Report sheds fresh light on North Korean gulag

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17668076

But you went for the sensational approach ( for which you and others constantly deride other posters )with NK exterminating short people
that was based on the testimony of one author who heard it from a friend

Much of the information from North Korea is along these lines, surreal, bizarre, second-hand information. Most of what we know about the gulags is from escaped prisoners themselves, it's only be correlating their stories can we build a picture.

The gulags are essentially an accepted fact of life in NK, the iictional FEMA camps in the US are not - which garners more attention from CTers, fact or fiction? what is Alex Jones or the prisonplanet forums buzzing with? the search for the truth my arse

This thread seems to be ending up more a study of the nature of conspiracy theories and posters here rather than discussion on the subject matter - which is pretty interesting in itself.

Brown Bomber

Jonny7 wrote: »

This thread seems to be ending up more a study of the nature of conspiracy theories and posters here rather than discussion on the subject matter - which is pretty interesting in itself.

To be fair you are as much as a conspiracy theorist as anyone else here IMO. You swallowed uncritically every anti-Gadaffi conspiracy theory doing the rounds that came straight from the imagination of lyings hacks. You also nailed your colours to the mast early as well in support of The "Palestinians did the Eilat bus attacks" conspiracy theory, subsequently proved false.

But enough about you. Why do you think the serial "debunkers" don't try and "debunk" your CT?

Jonny7

Brown Bomber wrote: »

You swallowed uncritically every anti-Gadaffi conspiracy theory doing the rounds that came straight from the imagination of lyings hacks.

You also nailed your colours to the mast early as well in support of The "Palestinians did the Eilat bus attacks" conspiracy theory, subsequently proved false.

Actually I would class myself as a conspiracy theorist, but generally more realistic or more probable scenario's, such as recent UK political scandals, phone-hacking, Libor fixing, etc but not really into the whole "OMG European soldiers are beheading Libyan civilians!!11" and all that silly stuff

SIR PEADO BAILOUT

Jonny7 wrote: »

Actually I would class myself as a conspiracy theorist, but generally more realistic or more probable scenario's, such as recent UK political scandals, phone-hacking, Libor fixing, etc but not really into the whole "OMG European soldiers are beheading Libyan civilians!!11" and all that silly stuff

Still a little `short` on the facts though aren`t we,`silly stuff` indeed :rolleyes:

Torakx

I dont really see this thread topic as a conspiracy theory really.
If it really happened, it was well known around the world.

If it didnt, then you have a CT, but thats not where your stance is, once again you go with the official version, which is fair enough, i happen to think that most likely to be the case aswell.
I dont mean to rain on the parade, because im sure there is stuff going on in NK that the rest of the world may not even know about.

We already know they wont report on it in the mainstream media (maybe the odd bbc docu) for the obvious reasons.

An example of a western CT similar to this one might be the US invading Iraq for wmd's when the whole world already knows its not about that at all.Except i think the NK one is even more accepted than the one i mentioned.
Sorry couldnt find a better example off the top of my head.

Jonny7

Torakx wrote: »

I dont really see this thread topic as a conspiracy theory really.
If it really happened, it was well known around the world.

It simply doesn't contain the elements to really interest the CT community.

Jonny7

SIR PEADO BAILOUT wrote: »

Still a little `short` on the facts though aren`t we,`silly stuff` indeed :rolleyes:

Sure I can fill any gaps with bible prophecies

anniemcl

Jonny7 wrote: »

Sure I can fill any gaps with bible prophecies

sure why not.israelis are doin well

Joshua J

Jonny7 wrote: »

It simply doesn't contain the elements to really interest the CT community.

You didn't fool anyone Johnny. I think that's your issue.

Anyway, vertically challenged North Koreans are far better off now than anytime in history, therefore no conspiracy.

Jonny7

Anyway, vertically challenged North Koreans are far better off now than anytime in history, therefore no conspiracy.

That's your own personal interpretation.

We rarely witness any of the traditional CTer's here challenge many of the CT's presented now do we - so thought it might be interesting if "skeptics" introduced more CTs - the response as you can see is a role reversal.

Concerning the issue - yes it pretty much ticks all the boxes as a CT - it just doesn't contain the elements that really interest the CT community, that's pretty obvious.

Joshua J

Jonny7 wrote: »

That's your own personal interpretation.

We rarely witness any of the traditional CTer's here challenge many of the CT's presented now do we - so thought it might be interesting if "skeptics" introduced more CTs - the response as you can see is a role reversal.

Concerning the issue - yes it pretty much ticks all the boxes as a CT - it just doesn't contain the elements that really interest the CT community, that's pretty obvious.

Hmmmmm, interesting.

A Primal Nut

Jonny7 wrote: »

That's your own personal interpretation.

We rarely witness any of the traditional CTer's here challenge many of the CT's presented now do we - so thought it might be interesting if "skeptics" introduced more CTs - the response as you can see is a role reversal.

Concerning the issue - yes it pretty much ticks all the boxes as a CT - it just doesn't contain the elements that really interest the CT community, that's pretty obvious.

The reason it's not an interest for the CT community is there is nothing really to debate - almost everyone outside North Korea seems to believe this story; as there is no alternative view put forward; there really isn't anything to debate. If North Koreans were allowed to discuss this, then yes it would be interesting (as they might put forward an alternative view that this didn't happen). But in their absence you have everyone agreeing with each other (CT community, anti-CT community, official sources here in the west, human rights agencies) so it's not really a conspiracy theory.

Conspiracy Theories in my opinion, would as a starting point, require at least 50% of the population to believe the opposite viewpoint. Otherwise it's not a conspiracy theory, but an established viewpoint.

Jonny7

Oh I'd go much further and say it's completely subjective. Dozens of bombs and terrorist attacks happened in the last month - none of which garner much interest from this community unless they are in a specific location.

As for generating debate? well it's often no more rational debate than the witch-trials were actually trials.

Torakx

Jonny7 wrote: »

Oh I'd go much further and say it's completely subjective. Dozens of bombs and terrorist attacks happened in the last month - none of which garner much interest from this community unless they are in a specific location.

As for generating debate? well it's no more rational debate than the witch-trials were actually trials. It's a bit like Ghost-hunters really, if something goes bump in the night, it has to be a ghost, and anyone who thinks there is a rational explanation obviously doesn't see the truth man.

OMG dude just post a CT if there is one!
For someone who posted a "CT" you have a terrible time staying on topic.
Im starting to think you have no interest in CT's and more in the actual people who propegate them.

In which case you can still contribute to the forums, maybe a thread about the new age movement being a conspiracy to subvert CT minded peoples views on the world, much like religion keeps others busy and sports etc.
Its a CT im totally on board with, bcause i do believe the new age movement has been either started or hijacked to mis-inform and direct attention into the wrong places.

Honestly i dont watch the news at all on tv or the internet.
I pick up news tid bits on these forums and then look into it when i have time.
So please post actual CT's we can discuss.
The post above yours explains what i have been trying to tell you aswell through this thread.

Its not about posters here hating Americas or not all at least.Its about finding motives too and many other things.
Again i say this thread is not easy to discuss because for the most part everyone is in agreement...
Or did you want just a million thanks under your main post and no comments?
Im confused...

How about a CT on those terrorist attacks?
To me thy could actually be legit considering NK's iron rule.Or it could be as we have in the west (in my view) with gov using it to keep control of rebels.
That would be a discussion.

Jonny7

Torakx wrote: »

OMG dude just post a CT if there is one!
For someone who posted a "CT" you have a terrible time staying on topic.
Im starting to think you have no interest in CT's and more in the actual people who propegate them.

We aren't discussing the CT, we're discussing the nature of CT's in general.

My own personal interest is in the truth.. which in the case of most threads here involves debunking a lot of fiction.

Torakx

Jonny7 wrote: »

We aren't discussing the CT, we're discussing the nature of CT's in general.

My own personal interest is in the truth.. which in the case of most threads here involves debunking a lot of fiction.

I must be in the wrong thread then.. i thought this was supposed to be about a CT, albeit one that has no need for dicussion since you dont have a conspiracy theory but more a post about what everyone thinks happened.

I can make loads of those no problem but whats the point?
Id much rather a topic that has alot of grey areas that just dont add up and need investigation.

What kind of discussion did you want about these short people beign shipped away?
Im honestly curious what you expected here.Because the only issues i have with that "CT" is that the only confirmation you have given is some guys testimony that it happened.
Even then i still agree with you it is most likely what happened.And that doesnt seem to be good enough because i havent acted as you wish?
Im just here to discuss theories on peoples hidden agendas in bussiness,politics and global rule etc.

Not here to argue with people and force my opinion.
Im also interested int he truth, but i dont mind diccussing possibilities to others view on the truth either.

Jonny7

Torakx wrote: »

What kind of discussion did you want about these short people beign shipped away?
Im honestly curious what you expected here.

Compared to the average "discussion" here? really? I appear to be missing several ingredients alright. CIA, psychics and bible predictions. Again, like I said - it doesn't contain the typical elements.

Anyway someone requested it in another thread so I posted it up. I didn't expect much.

Torakx

Ok, well im sorry i expected an honest go at a Ct thread.
You cant seem to get past your views of people here for this to work

you had people agreeing with you and it didnt seem good enough, then someone dissagreed and we got the same response if noot worse.
All this time you keep talking about CIA and america and now bibles and psychics.
None of the regular posters here mentioned this stuff yet you continue to focus on that.
This is looking like a troll attempt, which is fair enough if thats what your doing, its better than the alternative.

If your here to focus on the posters and not the topics, that puts a bad light on posters who have similar responses to yourself in other threads.
And confirms your bias takes precedence over evidence to me.

I used to be biased in the other direction, but i believe i have balanced out, if your in the same situation, i wish you the best with reaching a point where you dont give a toss what people think regarding their world view and can just enjoy the chat and topics instead.

You dont have to convert everyone.Some people need to help themselves and others are just fine as they are.

SIR PEADO BAILOUT

Jonny7 wrote: »

Anyway someone requested it in another thread so I posted it up. I didn't expect much.

Ahh sure now the blame is someone else,and you`d be the bitter biter of da Boards,well sure there`s plenty more CT in te sea :P

Jonny7

Torakx wrote: »

Ok, well im sorry i expected an honest go at a Ct thread.
You cant seem to get past your views of people here for this to work

Like I said before it was to prove a point. There is little or no interest in CTs that don't involve the usual US/Israel/UK.

you had people agreeing with you and it didnt seem good enough, then someone dissagreed and we got the same response if noot worse.
All this time you keep talking about CIA and america and now bibles and psychics.
None of the regular posters here mentioned this stuff yet you continue to focus on that.
This is looking like a troll attempt, which is fair enough if thats what your doing, its better than the alternative.

Not trolling, just challenging posts like this
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=80344804&postcount=26

You dont have to convert everyone.Some people need to help themselves and others are just fine as they are.

It's not a religion last time I checked, there shouldn't be any converting going on.