Cannabis based products to be legalised

BobbyPropane · 11-09-2012 05:07PM #1

"Health Dept hopes to bring legislative proposals to allow cannabis-based medicinal products"

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0911/plans-to-allow-cannabis-based-medicinal-products.html

Bit out of nowhere...

FinnLizzy · 11-09-2012 05:09PM

Brownies can be cannabis based products. Let the good times roll!

later12 · 11-09-2012 05:10PM

Thread title should be changed to stipulate Cannabis for medical use.

Vastly different, but this development is a significant dispaly of common sense, in fairness.

AnonoBoy · 11-09-2012 05:16PM

later12 wrote: »

Thread title should be changed to stipulate Cannabis for medical use.

"I have a bit of a headache doctor." *cough* *cough*

- "Why are you coughing? You said you had a headache."

"Oh just give me the pot you miserable f*cker." :mad:

mikom · 11-09-2012 05:18PM

The Department of Health has told RTÉ News that its officials have been engaging with experts on how best to legally describe cannabis-based medicinal products, while maintaining existing controls on cannabis and cannabis substances.
He said it was not about smoking and inhaling cannabis as a drug of abuse.

Foad.
Only the cunt's abuse it.

More money for pharma when Sativex is simply a tincture.......

Sativex is super strong, concentrated cannabis. Nothing more, nothing less.

GW Pharmaceuticals would have you believe that it’s a “pharmaceutical” product because according to its research that’s what patients prefer. As the GW spokesman puts it, “It’s a pharmaceutical solution, formulated with the ability to deliver a precise dose and with stringent standards of quality, safety and efficacy”.

In fact, what GW does is grow high quality cannabis under pretty much the same conditions as most illegal growers. It uses clonal propagation to ensure consistent levels of cannabinoids. Lighting and hydroponic nutrition is computer controlled with automatic ventilation. It really is no different from the most sophisticated and efficient illegal cannabis farms. It’s a recognised and proven technology now also used by Bedrocan in Holland, the Dutch government’s exclusive medicinal cannabis grower and Gropech in California which is building a new 60,000 sq ft facility in Oakland for an annual harvest worth $50 million.

The difference between these crops from legal and illegal growers is insignificant. It’s similar to buying your tomatoes from the supermarket or the farm shop.

GW takes its high quality cannabis, chops it up and makes a tincture by heating it under pressure with CO2 and then adding ethanol to precipitate an oil. Then, with the addition of a little peppermint oil to mask the taste and some preservative, the filtered liquid is packaged into tiny little aerosol bottles. Each spray delivers 2.7mg of THC and 2.5mg of CBD. What GW doesn’t tell you that it also contains all the other 100+ cannabinoids found in the plant, each of which has its own mechanism of action and effect. It also contains flavonoids, terpines and other compounds. Everything that is found in the plant.

I applaud GW Pharmaceuticals for bringing the enormous benefits of cannabinoid therapy into the 21st century. It’s nothing new though. The medicinal value of the plant has been known and widely used for thousands of years. Only in the last century has it been demonised by lies and propaganda. It would be a mistake though to think that Sativex is anything different from the plant itself. It’s just been wrapped up in a marketing and physical package which has enabled stupid and cowardly politicians to accept it.

http://www.clear-uk.org/the-truth-about-sativex/

More lies from your leaders and so called experts......... "they steal your dreams and sell them back to you".
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wp_rathead · 11-09-2012 05:20PM

Think we are going to find a lot of people suddenly suffering from chronic back pain

TeddyTedson · 11-09-2012 05:23PM

Now let people smoke it for medicinal use

It can help with insomnia

cherryghost · 11-09-2012 05:26PM

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Now let people smoke it for medicinal use
It can help with insomnia

+1! It helped me through some bad times it did. I had insomnia for quite some time and I was on the verge of depression until a friend recommended I try it before bed. Was awesome :P No more insomnia either. It also reduced my eczema to zero, although it's flared right back up again but I also haven't touched the stuff in years.

shanered · 11-09-2012 05:27PM

Is there many places with the medicinal stuff legal while smoking it etc. is still illegal, California and Holland are the two example mentioned above, but both are much more lax then Ireland's current cannabis laws.

davet82 · 11-09-2012 05:29PM

i'm going home to microwave my balls woo-hoo!!

latenia · 11-09-2012 05:31PM

They should make it suppository only, just for the lulz

zenno · 11-09-2012 05:31PM

Cannabis-Based... In reality, this will not be the same as cannabis that you smoke as certain chemicals will be taken out of it for medicinal use and will not have the healing properties you would get if you smoked it. It's just big pharma trying to sell a dud which will not work.

El Siglo · 11-09-2012 05:33PM

davet82 wrote: »

i'm going home to microwave my balls woo-hoo!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl6MwpboJRo

crazy cabbage · 11-09-2012 05:35PM

later12 wrote: »

Thread title should be changed to stipulate Cannabis for medical use.

Vastly different, but this development is a significant dispaly of common sense, in fairness.

Lets get something straight. There isn't such a clear cut between medical use and 'recreational' use which is what i presume you are against from the way your post was phrased. Just googled 'reacreation' on a dictionary and this is what it said.

1. refreshment of health or spirits by relaxation and enjoyment
2. an activity or pastime that promotes this

In otherwords healty activity. So when you take cannabis 'recationaly' I would consider it to be preventivie health care and preventive medicine. It can help with alot of aliments and keep stress level low. That adds years to your life before you are even sick!!!

It is not like the people who take cannabis for medical reasons gets loads of benifits and the people who take 'reactionaly' dont. Even if there is nothing 'wrong' with me when i take it, i still get the same anti-oxidants and anti-inflammatory and 'potentially' anti-cancer and anti-stress ect ect benifits that people who take for 'medical reason' get.

Cannabis-Based... In reality, this will not be the same as cannabis that you smoke as certain chemicals will be taken out of it for medicinal use and will not have the healing properties you would get if you smoked it. It's just big pharma trying to sell a dud which will not work.

Use a vaporizer!!!

later12 · 11-09-2012 05:39PM

zenno wrote: »

Cannabis-Based... In reality, this will not be the same as cannabis that you smoke as certain chemicals will be taken out of it for medicinal use and will not have the healing properties you would get if you smoked it.

I guess the Dept of Health don't want to be promoting smoking as a healthy endeavour in its own right. Just guessing, thogh.

crazy cabbage wrote: »

Lets get something straight. There isn't such a clear cut between medical use and 'recreational' use which is what i presume you are against from the way your post was phrased. Just googled 'reacreation' on a dictionary and this is what it said.

You can stop just there Cabbage.

I'm completely in favour of cannabis as a recreational drug,no idea where you are getting your opinion from.

I'm simply pointing out this is going to be prescribed for medical use approved by Doctors, it's not a relaxation of the law on cannabis, which I would support, but that latter position is totally irrelevant here anyway as it's not what the Government are doing.

zenno · 11-09-2012 05:47PM

later12 wrote: »

I guess the Dept of Health don't want to be promoting smoking as a healthy endeavour in its own right. Just guessing, thogh.

You can stop just there Cabbage.

I'm completely in favour of cannabis as a recreational drug,no idea where you are getting your opinion from.

I'm simply pointing out this is going to be prescribed for medical use approved by Doctors, it's not a relaxation of the law on cannabis, which I would support, but that latter position is totally irrelevant here anyway as it's not what the Government are doing.

What i mean is that some of the chemicals that make up cannabis and the euphoric feelings you get from normal cannabis will be taken out of the medicinal strand of the pharma product. This was a problem in the states where pharma took out these things and patients were saying it was not working anywhere near as the real cannabis so the patients went back to smoking it which did work for their pain.

crazy cabbage · 11-09-2012 05:49PM

later12 wrote: »

I guess the Dept of Health don't want to be promoting smoking as a healthy endeavour in its own right. Just guessing, thogh.

You can stop just there Cabbage.

I'm completely in favour of cannabis as a recreational drug,no idea where you are getting your opinion from.

I'm simply pointing out this is going to be prescribed for medical use approved by Doctors, it's not a relaxation of the law on cannabis, which I would support, but that latter position is totally irrelevant here anyway as it's not what the Government are doing.

Sorry. Misread you post. My bad

It is a step in the right direction. If it helps ill people then it needs to be avalable to them

Kurz · 11-09-2012 05:56PM

crazy cabbage wrote: »

It is a step in the right direction.

I don't think it is a step in the right direction to be honest. In the states you can grow and buy the plant yourself if you get the right certification. This whole "Sativex" business seems to me like pharma companies have seen what happened in the states and made sure they control the product here. If anything this will end up being an obstacle to similar medical cannabis laws here as they have in America. We'll be stuck with some overpriced, poor quality and patented product as the only option.

zenno · 11-09-2012 05:57PM

This country's rulers are soo backward it makes my head spin. I find it crazy that Something like cannabis of which helps in pain relief for some people can be made Illegal. It is clearly down to lack of education within our backward government while alcohol which kills untold amounts of people is freely available and legal. It's insane.

Mickeroo · 11-09-2012 05:58PM

Step in the right direction for sure.

Does anyone else not think it's a bit silly they'll allow a cannabis based drug but not the actual herb its made from to be available though? Why give the people sunny delight when they need oranges I say :P

Kurz · 11-09-2012 06:04PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

Step in the right direction for sure.

Does anyone else not think it's a bit silly they'll allow a cannabis based drug but not the actual herb its made from to be available though? Why give the people sunny delight when they need oranges I say :P

The sunny delight company makes no money if you grow an orange tree. It helps when the sunny delight company are buddies with politicians and people with influence like the pharmaceutical companies are.

Chuck Stone · 11-09-2012 06:04PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

Does anyone else not think it's a bit silly they'll allow a cannabis based drug but not the actual herb its made from to be available though?

Just shows how patently cynical it is to prevent people from growing their own medicine/drug.

It's fine when it is 'corporatized' and you have to go through an intermediary but if Granny tries to grow a bit down the back garden for her aches and pains it's a criminal she becomes.

Evil corporate scum.

crazy cabbage · 11-09-2012 06:17PM

Kurz wrote: »

I don't think it is a step in the right direction to be honest. In the states you can grow and buy the plant yourself if you get the right certification. This whole "Sativex" business seems to me like pharma companies have seen what happened in the states and made sure they control the product here. If anything this will end up being an obstacle to similar medical cannabis laws here as they have in America. We'll be stuck with some overpriced, poor quality and patented product as the only option.

You are right of course but i was looking at it more from a public preception point of view. I know most people that i bring the topic up with (gently) have a negative attitude towards it. Allowing companys to sell cannabis for medical reasons means a few things.
1) will get rid of the scedual 1 status which is crippiling most reasearch. It is increadbly hard to get permission to do experments with sceadual 1 drugs. Reversing this can only be poistive.
2) This cannabis will have to be grown somewhere. In ireland hopefully under strict conditions. Will set the groundwork for legal stuff that will bbe neaded when it is fully leaglised
3) Change in popular public opinion

Cuple of years down the line and it will be legilised fully. It will never be outright legilised.

Not ideal i know but is a start.

zenno · 11-09-2012 06:18PM

Pharmaceutical drugs have been developed which either contain or have similar chemicals as those found in the marijuana (cannabis) plant.

This is the problem right here... the pharmaceutical companies will be producing their own chemicals to have a similar effect as real cannabis but how would pharma's made-up chemicals have the same health benefits as the real thing, well imo they won't. If people using natural cannabis feel pain relief from the original cannabis plant then i cannot see different man-made chemicals working exactly the same as the real thing, more dangerous i'd say.

Pharma's man-made chemicals will obviously not have the same effect as the real thing and who knows what side-effects their so-called similar chemicals will have.

ilovesleep · 11-09-2012 06:19PM

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Now let people smoke it for medicinal use
It can help with insomnia

Now let people smoke it for recreational use too

mhigh86 · 11-09-2012 06:20PM

I have watched a couple of programs on this and they have devloped a mouth spray made from weed for MS users, but have extracted out the thc's so don't be thinking you'll be getting high from this........but we'll have to wait and see what legislative amendments are made. But good news for MS suffers.

Nichololas · 11-09-2012 06:25PM

Translating from the real world to AH:

Health Dept hopes to bring legislative proposals to allow cannabis-based medicinal products
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Health Dept hopes to bring legislative proposals to allow cannabis-based products
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Health Dept hopes to legalise cannabis-based products
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Cannabis-based products to be legalised!

zenno · 11-09-2012 06:26PM

mhigh86 wrote: »

I have watched a couple of programs on this and they have devloped a mouth spray made from weed for MS users, but have extracted out the thc's so don't be thinking you'll be getting high from this........but we'll have to wait and see what legislative amendments are made. But good news for MS suffers.

I don't see it as good news for MS suffers as they won't be getting the clean natural cannabis that works for them, they will be getting a similar product with different chemicals added and this is not natures natural product.

The pharmaceutical companies are no better than the head shops in using Similar chemicals to mess people up.

ceegee · 11-09-2012 06:28PM

zenno wrote: »

Pharmaceutical drugs have been developed which either contain or have similar chemicals as those found in the marijuana (cannabis) plant.

This is the problem right here... the pharmaceutical companies will be producing their own chemicals to have a similar effect as real cannabis but how would pharma's made-up chemicals have the same health benefits as the real thing, well imo they won't. If people using natural cannabis feel pain relief from the original cannabis plant then i cannot see different man-made chemicals working exactly the same as the real thing, more dangerous i'd say.

Pharma's man-made chemicals will obviously not have the same effect as the real thing and who knows what side-effects their so-called similar chemicals will have.

Any sort of scientific evidence for this argument or did you just pull it out of your ass?

There are plenty of examples of medicines that are based on plant compounds that are more effective than the original plants. You also avoid the problem of variation in strength which is inherent in plants.

mhigh86 · 11-09-2012 06:33PM

zenno wrote: »

I don't see it as good news for MS suffers as they won't be getting the clean natural cannabis that works for them, they will be getting a similar product with different chemicals added and this is not natures natural product.

The pharmaceutical companies are no better than the head shops in using Similar chemicals to mess people up.

OK,,,,,,,,,,put it relieves pain and spasms.

zenno · 11-09-2012 06:33PM

ceegee wrote: »

Any sort of scientific evidence for this argument or did you just pull it out of your ass?

There are plenty of examples of medicines that are based on plant compounds that are more effective than the original plants. You also avoid the problem of variation in strength which is inherent in plants.

No need to be a dick. Google is your friend, so do some research.

Cannabis based products to be legalised

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