later12 wrote: » Thread title should be changed to stipulate Cannabis for medical use.
The Department of Health has told RTÉ News that its officials have been engaging with experts on how best to legally describe cannabis-based medicinal products, while maintaining existing controls on cannabis and cannabis substances. He said it was not about smoking and inhaling cannabis as a drug of abuse.
Sativex is super strong, concentrated cannabis. Nothing more, nothing less. GW Pharmaceuticals would have you believe that it’s a “pharmaceutical” product because according to its research that’s what patients prefer. As the GW spokesman puts it, “It’s a pharmaceutical solution, formulated with the ability to deliver a precise dose and with stringent standards of quality, safety and efficacy”.In fact, what GW does is grow high quality cannabis under pretty much the same conditions as most illegal growers. It uses clonal propagation to ensure consistent levels of cannabinoids. Lighting and hydroponic nutrition is computer controlled with automatic ventilation. It really is no different from the most sophisticated and efficient illegal cannabis farms. It’s a recognised and proven technology now also used by Bedrocan in Holland, the Dutch government’s exclusive medicinal cannabis grower and Gropech in California which is building a new 60,000 sq ft facility in Oakland for an annual harvest worth $50 million. The difference between these crops from legal and illegal growers is insignificant. It’s similar to buying your tomatoes from the supermarket or the farm shop.GW takes its high quality cannabis, chops it up and makes a tincture by heating it under pressure with CO2 and then adding ethanol to precipitate an oil. Then, with the addition of a little peppermint oil to mask the taste and some preservative, the filtered liquid is packaged into tiny little aerosol bottles. Each spray delivers 2.7mg of THC and 2.5mg of CBD. What GW doesn’t tell you that it also contains all the other 100+ cannabinoids found in the plant, each of which has its own mechanism of action and effect. It also contains flavonoids, terpines and other compounds. Everything that is found in the plant. I applaud GW Pharmaceuticals for bringing the enormous benefits of cannabinoid therapy into the 21st century. It’s nothing new though. The medicinal value of the plant has been known and widely used for thousands of years. Only in the last century has it been demonised by lies and propaganda. It would be a mistake though to think that Sativex is anything different from the plant itself. It’s just been wrapped up in a marketing and physical package which has enabled stupid and cowardly politicians to accept it.http://www.clear-uk.org/the-truth-about-sativex/
TeddyTedson wrote: » Now let people smoke it for medicinal use It can help with insomnia
davet82 wrote: » i'm going home to microwave my balls woo-hoo!!
later12 wrote: » Thread title should be changed to stipulate Cannabis for medical use. Vastly different, but this development is a significant dispaly of common sense, in fairness.
1. refreshment of health or spirits by relaxation and enjoyment2. an activity or pastime that promotes this
Cannabis-Based... In reality, this will not be the same as cannabis that you smoke as certain chemicals will be taken out of it for medicinal use and will not have the healing properties you would get if you smoked it. It's just big pharma trying to sell a dud which will not work.
zenno wrote: » Cannabis-Based... In reality, this will not be the same as cannabis that you smoke as certain chemicals will be taken out of it for medicinal use and will not have the healing properties you would get if you smoked it.
crazy cabbage wrote: » Lets get something straight. There isn't such a clear cut between medical use and 'recreational' use which is what i presume you are against from the way your post was phrased. Just googled 'reacreation' on a dictionary and this is what it said.
later12 wrote: » I guess the Dept of Health don't want to be promoting smoking as a healthy endeavour in its own right. Just guessing, thogh. You can stop just there Cabbage. I'm completely in favour of cannabis as a recreational drug,no idea where you are getting your opinion from. I'm simply pointing out this is going to be prescribed for medical use approved by Doctors, it's not a relaxation of the law on cannabis, which I would support, but that latter position is totally irrelevant here anyway as it's not what the Government are doing.
crazy cabbage wrote: » It is a step in the right direction.
Mickeroo wrote: » Step in the right direction for sure. Does anyone else not think it's a bit silly they'll allow a cannabis based drug but not the actual herb its made from to be available though? Why give the people sunny delight when they need oranges I say :P
Mickeroo wrote: » Does anyone else not think it's a bit silly they'll allow a cannabis based drug but not the actual herb its made from to be available though?
Kurz wrote: » I don't think it is a step in the right direction to be honest. In the states you can grow and buy the plant yourself if you get the right certification. This whole "Sativex" business seems to me like pharma companies have seen what happened in the states and made sure they control the product here. If anything this will end up being an obstacle to similar medical cannabis laws here as they have in America. We'll be stuck with some overpriced, poor quality and patented product as the only option.
mhigh86 wrote: » I have watched a couple of programs on this and they have devloped a mouth spray made from weed for MS users, but have extracted out the thc's so don't be thinking you'll be getting high from this........but we'll have to wait and see what legislative amendments are made. But good news for MS suffers.
zenno wrote: » Pharmaceutical drugs have been developed which either contain or have similar chemicals as those found in the marijuana (cannabis) plant. This is the problem right here... the pharmaceutical companies will be producing their own chemicals to have a similar effect as real cannabis but how would pharma's made-up chemicals have the same health benefits as the real thing, well imo they won't. If people using natural cannabis feel pain relief from the original cannabis plant then i cannot see different man-made chemicals working exactly the same as the real thing, more dangerous i'd say. Pharma's man-made chemicals will obviously not have the same effect as the real thing and who knows what side-effects their so-called similar chemicals will have.
zenno wrote: » I don't see it as good news for MS suffers as they won't be getting the clean natural cannabis that works for them, they will be getting a similar product with different chemicals added and this is not natures natural product. The pharmaceutical companies are no better than the head shops in using Similar chemicals to mess people up.
ceegee wrote: » Any sort of scientific evidence for this argument or did you just pull it out of your ass? There are plenty of examples of medicines that are based on plant compounds that are more effective than the original plants. You also avoid the problem of variation in strength which is inherent in plants.
