Wallace is keeping his €41k payment.. for research !

Uriel. · 11-09-2012 11:29AM

Peanut2011 wrote: »

What happened with going in to politics for bettering your own country, not your own pocket?

These cronies are all there for personal gain and Mick just proved it. They get paid a salary + expenses and this €41k leaders allowance (no questions asked) is just yet another way of "rewarding themselves"!

If you have the passion for the job and want to make the difference than you should go forward not cos you want better pay packet!

I am sure none of us cared how much they were paying themselves when the money was floating around, that is partially why we are in the mess we are in. When the times are tough they should be the people we look up to and say look at the sacrifice they are making to make the Ireland a better place.

Instead every time we look up we see more and more ways they are milking us all!

So much for all of their promises! Also, it is interesting that the person who DEFRAUDED this country from millions is now one of the decision makers! Any other employer would have sacked the employee and have them in front of the court! But when it comes to the Dáil, all they can do is voice their concern!

La di da!!!

hmmm, not sure if you grasped the Irish parliamentary model, but Mick Wallace is not employed by the Dáil. Mick Wallace is essentially employed by the People and the people must "sack" him. Of course, it's solely the people in Wexford in this regard. A prime example as to why our national politicians should be selected on the basis of a national constituency rather than a local one, imo.

As regards, politicians "going in to politics for bettering your own country" - a lot of TDs would have this mindset, but you are not going to go into it long term for a peanut salary, considering the workload, particularly those who are in a serious position to make a difference (members of cabinet, members of Government etc...)

I wouldn't want a parliament full of Joe Higgins'

donalg1 · 11-09-2012 11:45AM

Uriel. wrote: »

The 41k as I understand it, is only available to independents because they don't have the resources of a political party behind them.

You seemed very sure that they earn more than POTUS in your previous post. Are you also equally sure that they earn more than most leaders of European countries?

Yep sure am

ilovesleep · 11-09-2012 11:47AM

Uriel. wrote: »

hmmm, not sure if you grasped the Irish parliamentary model, but Mick Wallace is not employed by the Dáil. Mick Wallace is essentially employed by the People and the people must "sack" him. Of course, it's solely the people in Wexford in this regard. A prime example as to why our national politicians should be selected on the basis of a national constituency rather than a local one, imo.

As regards, politicians "going in to politics for bettering your own country" - a lot of TDs would have this mindset, but you are not going to go into it long term for a peanut salary, considering the workload, particularly those who are in a serious position to make a difference (members of cabinet, members of Government etc...)

I wouldn't want a parliament full of Joe Higgins'

So how would people go about sacking a politician? Wait for the next election and vote him out? In 3 or 4 years time? I don't think so. If you broke a rule or did something serious, you'd be sacked straight away. But with an Irish politician we get to hang onto them after they do some badness, so that they have more time to do more badness.

You mentioned something in your post that I agree with. Politics in this country is all wrong. Voting locally for national issues.

Over at politics.ie, a poster wrote that the people of Ireland only have themselves to blame for voting wallace back in. I fail to see this logic when he was in one constituency. It was also mentioned here that Wallace fooled and tricked many people in his constituency going on about new politics.

donalg1 · 11-09-2012 11:48AM

Jaysoose wrote: »

What values?

He was standing for election based on his connection with the common people of wexford who viewed him fondly due to his past record. the dogs in the street could have seen he was out for himself and its very convenient it took him to lose his bollox before he felt this "calling" to politics.

So transparent its actually sickening that we have to look at his false mug on telly or in the papers.

Thanks wexford you really played a blinder electing this guy.

I am from Wexford and didnt vote for him never would as it was plainly obvious what he is like. People said its time to vote in one of their own a person that represents everyone, well this made me laugh almost as much as Mick saying he was going to make sure that all the bankers and developers that messed the country up are held to account. Now this lad owes tens of millions in bad loans (granted not to Irish Banks but still) that will never be repaid, he is the epitomy of everything that is wrong with the country, yet the fools in this county still elected him.

He made as much as he could from developing during the boom and when this money well dried up he stole from the tax payer, then saw the election as another opportunity to jump on a gravy train and make another fortune for himself, and if anyone thinks he ran for election to carry out some noble acts they are mistaken, he ran for election to look out for himself.

Zulu · 11-09-2012 11:50AM

Unvouched expenses are symbolic of whats wrong with this country.

ejmaztec · 11-09-2012 11:54AM

holystungun9 wrote: »

Please say you are American or Canadian. I hope this word isn't making its way into our vocabulary.

Yes, those American "panties" coming over here and stealing our "bloomers with reinforced gussets".:mad:

bbam · 11-09-2012 11:56AM

Anyone out there who voted for Wallace willing to comment in how it's turned out, is this what ye expected, will ye vote for him again?

I hear he recently got a 10 minute standing applaud at a reception he was at, does this signal that locally he's a hero? Why, what has he done for Wexford?

Uriel. · 11-09-2012 11:57AM

donalg1 wrote: »

Yep sure am

Then you are wrong again.

http://www.paywizard.org/main/VIPPaycheck/world-leaders-salaries

Comparing a TD' salary to POTUS or other world leaders is a silly starting point anyway, but that's what you chose.

If it was me, I would have tried to compare national legislators in different countries

Uriel. · 11-09-2012 12:03PM

ilovesleep wrote: »

So how would people go about sacking a politician? Wait for the next election and vote him out? In 3 or 4 years time? I don't think so. If you broke a rule or did something serious, you'd be sacked straight away. But with an Irish politician we get to hang onto them after they do some badness, so that they have more time to do more badness.

You mentioned something in your post that I agree with. Politics in this country is all wrong. Voting locally for national issues.

Over at politics.ie, a poster wrote that the people of Ireland only have themselves to blame for voting wallace back in. I fail to see this logic when he was in one constituency. It was also mentioned here that Wallace fooled and tricked many people in his constituency going on about new politics.

Yep by not voting him in the next time. That's practically it. The people of Wexford could put pressure on him to resign his seat before the next election if they were also inclined.

The only other ways that I know of are prescribed in the Electoral Act 1992

41.—A person who—

(a) is not a citizen of Ireland, or

(b) has not reached the age of 21 years, or

(c) is a member of the Commission of the European Communities, or

(d) is a Judge, Advocate General or Registrar of the Court of Justice of the European Communities, or

(e) is a member of the Court of Auditors of the European Communities, or

(f) is a member of the Garda Síochána, or

(g) is a wholetime member of the Defence Forces as defined in section 11 (4), or

(h) is a civil servant who is not by the terms of his employment expressly permitted to be a member of the Dáil, or

(i) is a person of unsound mind, or

(j) is undergoing a sentence of imprisonment for any term exceeding six months, whether with or without hard labour, or of penal servitude for any period imposed by a court of competent jurisdiction in the State, or

(k) is an undischarged bankrupt under an adjudication by a court of competent jurisdiction in the State,

shall not be eligible for election as a member, or, subject to section 42 (3), for membership, of the Dáil.

42.—(1) Subject to subsections (2) and (3), where a member of the Dáil—

(a) incurs an incapacity or disability referred to in section 41 , or

(b) is appointed to a post referred to in section 41 , or

(c) is appointed under the Constitution as a Judge, or Comptroller and Auditor General,

he shall thereupon cease to be such member and a vacancy shall exist accordingly in the membership of the Dáil.

(2) The registrar of the court by which a sentence referred to in section 41 (j) was imposed on a member of the Dáil or was confirmed on appeal shall notify the Chairman of the Dáil of the imposition or confirmation of the sentence as soon as possible after—

(a) in case no appeal is taken against the conviction or sentence, the expiration of the time limit for taking the appeal,

(b) in case an appeal is taken against the conviction or sentence and the appeal is disallowed or a sentence mentioned in section 41 (j) is imposed on the appeal, the determination of the appeal,

and on receipt of such notification by the Chairman of the Dáil a vacancy shall exist in the membership of the Dáil.

(3) Where a member of the Dáil has been adjudicated bankrupt by a court of competent jurisdiction in the State and within six months of the date of the order of adjudication the said order is not annulled or the person the subject of the order has not obtained a certificate of discharge under section 85 (7) of the Bankruptcy Act, 1988 , the Examiner of the High Court shall, as soon as possible after the expiration of the period of six months from the date of the order, notify the Chairman of the Dáil and on receipt of such notification by the Chairman of the Dáil a vacancy shall exist in the membership of the Dáil.

(4) As soon as may be after the receipt of a notification under subsection (2) or (3) the Chairman of the Dáil shall inform the Dáil of such receipt.

ejmaztec · 11-09-2012 12:05PM

Mick Wallace - The Daly Male.

:pac:

Uriel. · 11-09-2012 12:06PM

bbam wrote: »

Anyone out there who voted for Wallace willing to comment in how it's turned out, is this what ye expected, will ye vote for him again?

I hear he recently got a 10 minute standing applaud at a reception he was at, does this signal that locally he's a hero? Why, what has he done for Wexford?

this pretty much - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wexford_Youths_F.C.

dj jarvis · 11-09-2012 12:10PM

bbam wrote: »

Get the fukc down of your high horse there mate.

This guy got elected based on his campaign fore new politics, Change the system, get the ordinary man in control.
Since getting into office he had done nothing but bring his position and indeed the whole notion of honest politics into disrepute. He lay down with dogs and now has the fleas of corrupt office. People are damn right to come on and express their disgust at his behaviour. [BPeople are damn right to come on and express their disgust at his behaviour[/B].

1 - learn how to read - i was doing the complete opposite of getting on a high horse - christ i even made a point of spelling that out - funny you did not get that !!! and im far from you mate " Buddy "

2 LOL super LOL - really ??? new politics ?? HAW HAW HAW - jesus how naive ARE YOU ? does anyone actually believe the spin from the politicians before during or after a election ?? cop on son - new politics , thanks for the laugh

3 just becasue its AH does not mean you just have to bang away at the keyboard like a masturbating monkey - a valid point can sometimes be made here, and stop contradicting yourself "People are damn right to come on and express their disgust at his behaviour " and the next doozy " Remember, this is After Hours not the Politics forum " ????
well what one are we to follow oh master ???

my point, that you wildly missed in your race against the red mist to get your indignation out - is this - don't whimper like a little girl here , stop wasting my time and everyone elses , go make the call , drop them a email , AND THEN COME ONE and pretend to be outraged at something you are never going to do anything about anyway - welcome to Ireland - will talk a good fight but to f2uck2g lazy to ACTUALLY do anything about it

i wont do anything about it becasue i dont give a flying **** that someone who is entitled to take pay and perks is, SHOCK HORROR taking said pay and perks !!!!!!! its a NON story

so big boy, other than take my post the wrong way and post crap on AH , what are YOU going to do about it seeing it consumes one so ????

Zulu · 11-09-2012 12:15PM

Yawn: someone starts a flame war on the internet....

:rolleyes:

billybudd · 11-09-2012 12:16PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

1 - learn how to read - i was doing the complete opposite of getting on a high horse - christ i even made a point of spelling that out - funny you did not get that !!! and im far from you mate " Buddy "

2 LOL super LOL - really ??? new politics ?? HAW HAW HAW - jesus how naive ARE YOU ? does anyone actually believe the spin from the politicians before during or after a election ?? cop on son - new politics , thanks for the laugh

3 just becasue its AH does not mean you just have to bang away at the keyboard like a masturbating monkey - a valid point can sometimes be made here, and stop contradicting yourself "People are damn right to come on and express their disgust at his behaviour " and the next doozy " Remember, this is After Hours not the Politics forum " ????
well what one are we to follow oh master ???

my point, that you wildly missed in your race against the red mist to get your indignation out - is this - don't whimper like a little girl here , stop wasting my time and everyone elses , go make the call , drop them a email , AND THEN COME ONE and pretend to be outraged at something you are never going to do anything about anyway - welcome to Ireland - will talk a good fight but to f2uck2g lazy to ACTUALLY do anything about it

i wont do anything about it becasue i dont give a flying **** that someone who is entitled to take pay and perks is, SHOCK HORROR taking said pay and perks !!!!!!! its a NON story

so big boy, other than take my post the wrong way and post crap on AH , what are YOU going to do about it seeing it consumes one so ????

:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac: Hillarious

D1stant · 11-09-2012 12:16PM

jaykay74 wrote: »

If he came out and said "I'm taking it because I'm entitled to it" I would have a bit more respect for the guy.

I wouldn't. Its a leaders allowance. Show leadership

The guy is a scruffy crook. Two fingers at the Dail, Wexford and Ireland.

If he had an ounce of integrity he would have resigned over his tax affairs. Instead he gives a Princess Diana speech in the Dail and lines his pockets once more

dj jarvis · 11-09-2012 12:25PM

Zulu wrote: »

Yawn: someone starts a flame war on the internet....

:rolleyes:

na - just responding to someone who attacks my post , but obviously misses the point - usual crap , half reads then jumps to a wrong conclusion

if this kind of poster spent half the time being upset with the people in the country who are causing the problem , rather than wasting time talking a good fight on AH , we would be a lot better off

so i wonder - how many people who have posted on this thread will ACTUALLY try and do something about it ??
sure they have the right to post crap here - but wont make one bit of difference
and that was my point

Jaysoose · 11-09-2012 12:37PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

na - just responding to someone who attacks my post , but obviously misses the point - usual crap , half reads then jumps to a wrong conclusion

if this kind of poster spent half the time being upset with the people in the country who are causing the problem , rather than wasting time talking a good fight on AH , we would be a lot better off

so i wonder - how many people who have posted on this thread will ACTUALLY try and do something about it ??
sure they have the right to post crap here - but wont make one bit of difference
and that was my point

You should make a long facebook post..thats were the real internet hardnuts are at these days.

You are wasted here.

Grimebox · 11-09-2012 01:00PM

And you wouldn't take it if you were him?

donalg1 · 11-09-2012 01:02PM

bbam wrote: »

Anyone out there who voted for Wallace willing to comment in how it's turned out, is this what ye expected, will ye vote for him again?

I hear he recently got a 10 minute standing applaud at a reception he was at, does this signal that locally he's a hero? Why, what has he done for Wexford?

Hasnt done a thing for Wexford, some people would say he set up a football club, but that wasnt exactly done for the people of Wexford. It was done for himself to play with basically.

ThinkAboutIt · 11-09-2012 01:04PM

Man takes money he is entitled too.
Shock.
Horror.
Outrage.

Don't hate the playa hate the game.

ejmaztec · 11-09-2012 01:09PM

Grimebox wrote: »

And you wouldn't take it if you were him?

I'd take it, but I'd make damn certain that I actually did what I was supposed to do with it, and I'd also make every single receipt available in the public domain to shut the whingers up.

Seedy Arling · 11-09-2012 01:15PM

conorhal wrote: »

What's he researching? How many expensive dinners it will take in One Pico it will take to get into Claire Daily's panties?

Ugghhhh. I hate the word 'panties.' And when used in the context with those two it chills me to the bone.

Jaysoose · 11-09-2012 01:25PM

ThinkAboutIt wrote: »

Man takes money he is entitled too.
Shock.
Horror.
Outrage.

Don't hate the playa hate the game.

This is the problem they are playing a game...but we are paying tax and letting them.

dj jarvis · 11-09-2012 03:11PM

Jaysoose wrote: »

This is the problem they are playing a game...but we are paying tax and letting them.

not being smart but do something about it
get onto your local councilors and TD's - ring government buildings , email the f2ck out of everyone , get your mates to do it , start a campaign ect ect ect

or you can do what the vast majority do - NOTHING ( well whinge on AH about it )

me , im not going to do nothing - i care not one jot - he is entitled to it becasue he was elected to the post , the post involves these perks and more

FFS - these allowances were known BEFORE the election - don't remember a thread on independents leaders allowances - and now hes taking it shock horror

not getting the public indignation on thiis one - think about it
that is like being shocked that it rains a lot in Ireland

Jaysoose · 11-09-2012 03:14PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

not being smart but do something about it
get onto your local councilors and TD's - ring government buildings , email the f2ck out of everyone , get your mates to do it , start a campaign ect ect ect

or you can do what the vast majority do - NOTHING ( well whinge on AH about it )

me , im not going to do nothing - i care not one jot - he is entitled to it becasue he was elected to the post , the post involves these perks and more

FFS - these allowances were known BEFORE the election - don't remember a thread on independents leaders allowances - and now hes taking it shock horror

not getting the public indignation on thiis one - think about it
that is like being shocked that it rains a lot in Ireland

Could you post this on facebook publicly on wallaces page..then i might pay attention to your bollox.

Answer one question for me, would there be less public indignation towards this man if he had not conspired to defraud the vat man for a couple of million while standing in front of the elctorate preaching about a change in politics.

He should be on his uppers not talking about what he is "entitled to" its a sad joke.

Zulu · 11-09-2012 03:21PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

i care not one jot

You care enough to bitch & moan on Boards.

donalg1 · 11-09-2012 03:23PM

dj jarvis wrote: »

not being smart but do something about it
get onto your local councilors and TD's - ring government buildings , email the f2ck out of everyone , get your mates to do it , start a campaign ect ect ect

or you can do what the vast majority do - NOTHING ( well whinge on AH about it )

me , im not going to do nothing - i care not one jot - he is entitled to it becasue he was elected to the post , the post involves these perks and more

FFS - these allowances were known BEFORE the election - don't remember a thread on independents leaders allowances - and now hes taking it shock horror

not getting the public indignation on thiis one - think about it
that is like being shocked that it rains a lot in Ireland

The public indignation stems from the fact Mick owes Revenue 2.1million quid, and then there is the fact that he was claiming to be a wonderful politician who would lead by example and give half his salary back while at the same time taking this 41k and not mentioning it.

I think people are just sick of this kind of sh1t and the blatant cheek of Mick has rubbed people up the wrong way on more than one occasion.

Jimoslimos · 11-09-2012 04:24PM

I don't have a problem per se with TDs being paid a high salary + expenses. Money is and will always be an important motivating factor for people to succeed and work hard.

My issues are;

a) we have too many TDs. Given that debates in the Dail are sparsely attended I reckon the actual work could be more efficiently carried out with half or even a third the number we currently have.

b) the work they actually spend most time doing doesn't warrant their current salary level. Shure he fixshed the road, built a new community centre, opened a local school are all well and good but it's not what a TD should be rewarded for. Researching, debating and formulating important fiscal and social policies are what I'd expect from a TD at national level. Attending local 'constituency clinics' to hear Mary moan about how the bus only comes every hour instead of half an hour isn't.

The public are to blame for b). We pay for councillors to represent us at local level then bypass them to petition TDs - giving both groups a cushy number. Councillors do nothing, TDs do the work of councillors at vastly increased wages and nobody does the work of TDs

dj jarvis · 11-09-2012 04:34PM

Jaysoose wrote: »

Could you post this on facebook publicly on wallaces page..then i might pay attention to your bollox.

Answer one question for me, would there be less public indignation towards this man if he had not conspired to defraud the vat man for a couple of million while standing in front of the elctorate preaching about a change in politics.

He should be on his uppers not talking about what he is "entitled to" its a sad joke.

what bollox would that be ? that i pointed out that he is entitled to this money and hes taking it ? that is bollox is it ? then get onto your td and do something about it instead of getting at me - that is the point

as for defrauding the revenue - read the thread and my first post , i clearly state that BOTH the revenue and the director of corporate enforcement have said HE HAS NO CASE TO ANSWER - he is not being pursued on this matter

so the law of the land has no issue with him , he is taking what his employer offered him - so whats the issue ? your not happy - then get off your arse and try change it

EXACTLY what i said in my first post - fuppin windbags will release noise and bluster - but in reality will do fup all about it - well done lads

so the ruling class win again becasue they know most are gob****e windbags who will do nothing but cry into their pints ( or their keyboards )

and why should i post anything on his facebook page ?? i dont care that he his taking this allowance - you see im not so naive to think that he would not have taken it - it is not a shock to me

i suggest you and your ilk get on and start ringing joe - all your good for

just read post before shooting your mouth off - i have said that i think he is morally bankrupt - what more should i say on the matter ?

dj jarvis · 11-09-2012 04:38PM

donalg1 wrote: »

The public indignation stems from the fact Mick owes Revenue 2.1million quid, and then there is the fact that he was claiming to be a wonderful politician who would lead by example and give half his salary back while at the same time taking this 41k and not mentioning it.

I think people are just sick of this kind of sh1t and the blatant cheek of Mick has rubbed people up the wrong way on more than one occasion.

granted - you are 100% correct - but what will the good folk on this thread or AH in general do about it ???

nothing but pass oxygen about it - again that was my original point , read my first post

but if people want to make me the villain of the thread - go ahead - as i said i dont give a crap - legally he is doing nothing wrong - although i do think he has some neck - but sure he joins a HUGE line of them doing the same.

at least i not being a hypocrite and talking out one side of my face while sitting back and doing nothing

oh i love Ireland

Wallace is keeping his €41k payment.. for research !

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