RIRA Man shot dead in broad daylight

kfallon · 11-09-2012 12:10PM

Fenian Army wrote: »

Stun guns you mean... He used to confiscate drugs from people in the pub and hand them into the garda, he went to great lengths to have a drug free pub, a rarity in that community.

You have any evidence for what you say?

People just slate him because of the queen banner

What about The Castle pub in Summerhill?

SaoriseBiker · 11-09-2012 12:10PM

seamus wrote: »

Most of his supporters are deluded kids who were told what a great man he was. Speak to those who actually had to deal with him (i.e. publicans and Gardai) and you'll get a much less flattering picture.I'm truly flabbergasted that people like you still exist.

Criticising someone who happens to have republican links, doesn't make any poster a "unionist". The vast majority of Irish people have little respect or condolences to offer for the death of this man. The majority of the population in the republic consider the current nationalist factions to be nothing but criminals and scumbags.

They have tiny pockets of support where ignorance and violence triumph over reason.

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Unionists? Get a grip man. Sure why not call anybody who doesn't like murderous thugs who make a living from the sale of drugs 'West Brits' and be done with it?

Well no one more than unionists like murderous thugs in a British uniform such as the RUC, Brit army etc and their apologists down south as we seen during the 25 years of the troubles. Indeed their's a very grey area when it comes to unionists support of British murder gangs without a uniform also as Paisley, Robinson and co. displayed down the years.

And where is the actual evidence that this man Alan Ryan made money from drugs ?? The fact that the local community who would probably in general be unpolitical and certainly not RIRA supporters turned out to show their respects to me indicates that he wasn't the sort of character that Dr Sir Tony O'Reilly's toilet papers are making him out to be.

Cienciano · 11-09-2012 12:10PM

Fenian Army wrote: »

Stun guns you mean... He used to confiscate drugs from people in the pub and hand them into the garda, he went to great lengths to have a drug free pub, a rarity in that community.

You have any evidence for what you say?

People just slate him because of the queen banner

Any evidence for that?
I notice that his supporters seem to demand evidence for every bit of negativity about him (newspaper reports don't count for evidence either - they're rags out to sell more copies) but they can make whatever claims they like themselves.

Monty Burnz · 11-09-2012 12:11PM

Boombastic wrote: »

:pac: And yet when raided, there were drugs in the pub:D

Strange that people persisted with bringing drugs into his pub, isn't it? Perhaps it was ok to sell drugs there once you paid Alan Ryan his cut.

AEDIC · 11-09-2012 12:12PM

SaoriseBiker wrote: »

While not a supporter by any means of the RIRA one thing that I couldn't help noticing is the sympathy his local community had for him. Clearly as can be seen from the news and youtube, most of his neighbours had time for the man. I don't buy much into discussions like this, a lot of those denouncing the funeral are often unionists disguising themselves as nationalists giving their location as Dublin, Cork etc And then we have the cranks, the Sunday Independent ' nationalists '

Post of the week candidate right there :rolleyes:

So there you have it ladies and gentlemen, you are not a republican if you dont mourn, rejoice in the life of and support a criminal.

Cienciano · 11-09-2012 12:13PM

Fenian Army wrote: »

Yes, which he had confiscated.

I'm assuming you have evidence that the drugs in his pub were confiscated?

Monty Burnz · 11-09-2012 12:14PM

SaoriseBiker wrote: »

Well no one more than unionists like murderous thugs in a British uniform such as the RUC, Brit army etc and their apologists down south as we seen during the 25 years of the troubles. Indeed their's a very grey area when it comes to unionists support of British murder gangs without a uniform also as Paisley, Robinson and co. displayed down the years.

It might astonish you to learn that most people are opposed to murderers regardless of what they are murdering for. This may be an intellectual leap you have yet to make.

SaoriseBiker wrote: »

And where is the actual evidence that this man Alan Ryan made money from drugs ??

Where is the evidence that he didn't? Perhaps you could tell us the highly-paid job that he did to fund his lifestyle - it should be quite easy.

SaoriseBiker wrote: »

The fact that the local community who would probably in general be unpolitical and certainly not RIRA supporters turned out to show their respects to me indicates that he wasn't the sort of character that Dr Sir Tony O'Reilly's toilet papers are making him out to be.

Where is the evidence that he didn't? How do we know they were paying respects rather than just having a gawk at the dead crim?

Ash.J.Williams · 11-09-2012 12:14PM

Cienciano wrote: »

I'm assuming you have evidence that the drugs in his pub were confiscated?

In fairness was there evidence otherwise?

davet82 · 11-09-2012 12:15PM

Cienciano wrote: »

Any evidence for that?
I notice that his supporters seem to demand evidence for every bit of negativity about him (newspaper reports don't count for evidence either - they're rags out to sell more copies) but they can make whatever claims they like themselves.

you are wasting your time, posts like this are just ignored because they cant answer them.

for example i've pointed out numerous times in this thread that the drug dealers have no convictions also, so the same mentality should be applied that they too are also innocent of the accusations made by this guy

Monty Burnz · 11-09-2012 12:15PM

Fenian Army wrote: »

Yes, which he had confiscated.

How odd that the Gardaí saw him coming in every day to them with confiscated drugs and then just went and arrested him for it.

Very. Odd. Almost unbelievable.

SaoriseBiker · 11-09-2012 12:17PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Strange that people persisted with bringing drugs into his pub, isn't it? Perhaps it was ok to sell drugs there once you paid Alan Ryan his cut.

Any evidence of this yet ? Seriously, it's been thrown about but was he ever convicted of drug related offences ? The fact that his local community turned out in such numbers to attend his funeral says it all to me.

AEDIC wrote: »

Post of the week candidate right there :rolleyes:

So there you have it ladies and gentlemen, you are not a republican if you dont mourn, rejoice in the life of and support a criminal.

All IRA men were branded " criminals " in their time ( it's something else a criminal state like Britain calling others "criminals" :rolleyes: ), Micheal Collins and his Squad were the biggest cop killers in the history of the country.

Fenian Army · 11-09-2012 12:18PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

How odd that the Gardaí saw him coming in every day to them with confiscated drugs and then just went and arrested him for it.

Very. Odd. Almost unbelievable.

He pissed them off with his banner, because of it they were threatening not to renew his late license.

I don't particularly care if anyone believes me btw.

AEDIC · 11-09-2012 12:20PM

SaoriseBiker wrote: »

Any evidence of this yet ? Seriously, it's been thrown about but was he ever convicted of drug related offences ? The fact that his local community turned out in such numbers to attend his funeral says it all to me.

All IRA men were branded " criminals " in their time ( it's something else a criminal state like Britain calling others "criminals" :rolleyes: ), Micheal Collins and his Squad were the biggest cop killers in the history of the country.

Your random generalising is staggering....how about talking about this one specific criminal and making it easier for yourself?

Factually speaking, a criminal is one that has a conviction of a criminal offence. Are you denying that the individual in this thread, on that basis, was a criminal? Now that may be a bit specific for your generalising rambling, but give it a try.

SaoriseBiker · 11-09-2012 12:22PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

It might astonish you to learn that most people are opposed to murderers regardless of what they are murdering for. This may be an intellectual leap you have yet to make.

Unionists and their southern allies are anything but opposed to murderers, just read the posts of Junder, Fratton Fred etc on the politics, military and history forums, just so long as it's a British uniform that's doing it or guiding loyalists to do it.

Where is the evidence that he didn't? Perhaps you could tell us the highly-paid job that he did to fund his lifestyle - it should be quite easy.

Where is the evidence that he didn't? How do we know they were paying respects rather than just having a gawk at the dead crim?

If I claim I have a date with Miss World on Friday and some guy says no you don't, the onus is on him to prove I haven't :eek:

Monty Burnz · 11-09-2012 12:24PM

SaoriseBiker wrote: »

Any evidence of this yet ? Seriously, it's been thrown about but was he ever convicted of drug related offences ? The fact that his local community turned out in such numbers to attend his funeral says it all to me.

Evidence? Perhaps you missed it, but he was arrested for possession of cocaine.

SaoriseBiker wrote: »

A
All IRA men were branded " criminals " in their time ( it's something else a criminal state like Britain calling others "criminals" :rolleyes: ), Micheal Collins and his Squad were the biggest cop killers in the history of the country.

All drug dealers, extortionists and murderers were branded criminals too. I'm not sure what Michael Collins has to do with a murderous scumbag who lived off drug money.

SaoriseBiker · 11-09-2012 12:24PM

AEDIC wrote: »

Your random generalising is staggering....how about talking about this one specific criminal and making it easier for yourself?

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Evidence? Perhaps you missed it, but he was arrested for possession of cocaine.

All drug dealers, extortionists and murderers were branded criminals too. I'm not sure what Michael Collins has to do with a murderous scumbag who lived off drug money.

Nothing random about my questions, not one single one of you have produced a single piece of evidence that Alan Ryan was invovled in drug dealing.

.jacksparrow. · 11-09-2012 12:26PM

You can't prove something you didn't do,you can prove something you did do.

AEDIC · 11-09-2012 12:27PM

SaoriseBiker wrote: »

Nothing random about my questions, not one single one of you have produced a single piece of evidence that Alan Ryan was invovled in drug dealing.

Show me one post where I am making that claim. Now perhaps you could answer my question?

Monty Burnz · 11-09-2012 12:27PM

SaoriseBiker wrote: »

Unionists and their southern allies are anything but opposed to murderers, just read the posts of Junder, Fratton Fred etc on the politics, military and history forums, just so long as it's a British uniform that's doing it or guiding loyalists to do it.

What has that got to do with this murdering scumbag? Are you trying the old "hey - look over there!" tactic? It doesn't change the fact that this guy is a dead crim who was murdered for making a living from drug profits.

SaoriseBiker wrote: »

If I claim I have a date with Miss World on Friday and some guy says no you don't, the onus is on him to prove I haven't :eek:

Right - so when are you going to start posting proof for your claims?

11-09-2012 12:27PM

Fenian Army wrote: »

He pissed them off with his banner, because of it they were threatening not to renew his late license.

I don't particularly care if anyone believes me btw.

Who was pissed off by his banner?

We(every sane Irish person) all just looked on in bewildered amusement.

Kevvv · 11-09-2012 12:27PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

It might astonish you to learn that most people are opposed to murderers regardless of what they are murdering for. This may be an intellectual leap you have yet to make.

Where is the evidence that he didn't? Perhaps you could tell us the highly-paid job that he did to fund his lifestyle - it should be quite easy.

Where is the evidence that he didn't? How do we know they were paying respects rather than just having a gawk at the dead crim?

What lifestyle might that be that your talking about? Or should I ask you to show your evidence which shows he didn't earn money in a legitimate way?

Monty Burnz · 11-09-2012 12:28PM

SaoriseBiker wrote: »

Nothing random about my questions, not one single one of you have produced a single piece of evidence that Alan Ryan was invovled in drug dealing.

We didn't say that he dealt drugs - he just sold the right to other people to sell drugs. Which is much, much better of course.

Monty Burnz · 11-09-2012 12:28PM

Kevvv wrote: »

What lifestyle might that be that your talking about? Or should I ask you to show your evidence which shows he didn't earn money in a legitimate way?

So you are claiming he had a good job? What was it?

SaoriseBiker · 11-09-2012 12:33PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

What has that got to do with this murdering scumbag? Are you trying the old "hey - look over there!" tactic? It doesn't change the fact that this guy is a dead crim who was murdered for making a living from drug profits.

Right - so when are you going to start posting proof for your claims?

The man was not convicted of any drug dealing therefore I don't have to produce any evidence Einstein FFS.

davet82 · 11-09-2012 12:34PM

SaoriseBiker wrote: »

Nothing random about my questions, not one single one of you have produced a single piece of evidence that Alan Ryan was invovled in drug dealing.

one of Alan Ryans victims - Michael Kelly

Michael ‘Micka’ Kelly died in a hail of bullets in broad daylight as he was targeted by two ruthless brothers who control the Real IRA in Dublin.

Kelly – who loved fast cars and women – had barely any major criminal convictions and never served any jail time.

so another innocent man was murdered for no reason? :rolleyes:

the evidence is the same for mika kelly rings through for alan ryan, it was common knowledge he profited from drugs although not directly in the dealing and couldnt be proved legally

can we just cut the bullshít

Monty Burnz · 11-09-2012 12:34PM

SaoriseBiker wrote: »

The man was not convicted of any drug dealing therefore I don't have to produce any evidence Einstein FFS.

Please quote where I claimed he dealt drugs - put up or shut up. By the way, you didn't manage to spell 'Saoirse' correctly in your username, Einstein.

Kevvv · 11-09-2012 12:37PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

So you are claiming he had a good job? What was it?

How did you possible pick that out of what I said? Your just coming in here throwing random questions to people and dodging answers with other questions. I never said he he had a good job, and never said he hadn't.

Monty Burnz · 11-09-2012 12:39PM

Kevvv wrote: »

How did you possible pick that out of what I said? Your just coming in here throwing random questions to people and dodging answers with other questions. I never said he he had a good job, and never said he hadn't.

You are denying that he made a living from crime? This is hardly a random question.

SaoriseBiker · 11-09-2012 12:40PM

AEDIC wrote: »

Show me one post where I am making that claim. Now perhaps you could answer my question?

Fair enough, you didn't call him a drug dealer but you did infer that I "rejoice in the life of and support a criminal." in a previous post. It seems my crime is that I pointed out that the turn out by the local community he lived in shows he was far from been the character portrayed by Dr Sir O'Reilly's toilet papers.

Lelantos · 11-09-2012 12:42PM

Fenian Army wrote: »

Monty Burnz wrote: »

How odd that the Gardaí saw him coming in every day to them with confiscated drugs and then just went and arrested him for it.

Very. Odd. Almost unbelievable.

He pissed them off with his banner, because of it they were threatening not to renew his late license.

I don't particularly care if anyone believes me btw.

Just as well then because we don't

RIRA Man shot dead in broad daylight

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