RIRA Man shot dead in broad daylight

Monty Burnz wrote: »

No disrespect, but there's a lot of rhetoric there that does not address the question - how do you satisfy the hardline republicans and the hardline loyalists at the same time?

Neither will ever be satisfied as both are at extreme different ends. Most IRA volunteers I know supported the GFA and generally it was the ones who didn't understand how politics work that either walked away or became involved with groups like the RIRA. The aims of groups like the RIRA, 32CSM and Eirigi are always limited because first and foremost they're anti-Sinn Fein and they're blinded by what they see as Adams and McGuinness working in the NI Assembley as them supporting British rule which is not the case. These groups have absolutely no support apart from a handful, they are reduced to fighting drug dealers because there is no need for them on a national scale because the war is over and time has moved on.

Groups like the RIRA etc are hardcore fanatical nationalists and there is not one shred of Republican ideals running through them. We need to get back to true Irish Republicanism and look back to the values of the United Irishmen like Wolfe Tone and Emmet.

cloptrop wrote: »

If the fella was making a normal living from it id say fair enough he was true to his beliefs. Whether they were right or wrong they were his beliefs . But the chap thought it was more important to have two fancy cars than to have one normal car and give the rest to his cause .
But he needed two fancy cars .

it's all image with these lads nowadays, big cars, nice clothes and muscles pumped up. I honestly think most of them think they're Tony Soprano, it's all part of the "image" they want to portray

freddiek wrote: »

ROI soccer international Anthony Stokes posted this message on Twitter the other day


@stoksey10

Thinking of you Alan...



https://twitter.com/stoksey10/status/244364090171072512

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree does it? Hopefully that clown never puts on an Ireland jersey again

It's all goin down on FM104 again...!!!

It's ridiculous that people like this consider themselves to be "republicans" when they dedicate their lives to tearing apart communities through extortion, drug dealing, violence, fear and bullying. They claim they want a "united Ireland" but they seem determined to destroy the republic that we currently have. These people are the absolute dregs of the earth and it's no loss to Ireland when they're murdered.

The real republicans (although not in the traditional sense of the word) are the people who commit themselves to reversing the damage that thugs like these do, the people who work in the most disadvantaged, drug-riddled areas trying to get people back on their feet. They're the real republicans.

EDIT: I'm not suggesting Ryan was involved with drug-dealing as he and a lot of the RIRA are very vocally against it, my point about drug dealing is more in relation to wider gangland violence in the country.

OnTheCounter wrote: »

his father is associated and seemingly a major scumbag. Ran the players lounge in fairview that had the anti queen banner when she came over.

Does that qualify Stokes' father as being a "major scumbag" though?
John Stokes is a self confessed member of the 32CSM, he was arrested for having two stun guns and €200 worth of cocaine on him at the Players Lounge in Ballybough last year, but he regularly seized cocaine off customers and handed it into Clontarf Garda station so whether it his or not could be argued. I don't know him personally to say he's a "scumbag" same as I wouldn't call Alan Ryan a scumbag. I'd question Ryan and his gangs merits on republicanism because to me they're essentially mafioso who will feed on cash at any source, take their cut and pass the rest upstairs.

SocSocPol wrote: »

You are the very one who introduced wild and wholly unsubstansiated allegations about collusion in the first place. Prior to that this was a thread about a lowlife crim who got what he deserved.

Wild and unsubstantiated? Have a read of Stone's book about Milltown.

SaoriseBiker wrote: »

While not a supporter by any means of the RIRA one thing that I couldn't help noticing is the sympathy his local community had for him. Clearly as can be seen from the news and youtube, most of his neighbours had time for the man.

Most of his supporters are deluded kids who were told what a great man he was. Speak to those who actually had to deal with him (i.e. publicans and Gardai) and you'll get a much less flattering picture.

a lot of those denouncing the funeral are often unionists disguising themselves as nationalists giving their location as Dublin, Cork etc

I'm truly flabbergasted that people like you still exist.

Criticising someone who happens to have republican links, doesn't make any poster a "unionist". The vast majority of Irish people have little respect or condolences to offer for the death of this man. The majority of the population in the republic consider the current nationalist factions to be nothing but criminals and scumbags.
They have tiny pockets of support where ignorance and violence triumph over reason.

SaoriseBiker wrote: »

While not a supporter by any means of the RIRA one thing that I couldn't help noticing is the sympathy his local community had for him. Clearly as can be seen from the news and youtube, most of his neighbours had time for the man. I don't buy much into discussions like this, a lot of those denouncing the funeral are often unionists disguising themselves as nationalists giving their location as Dublin, Cork etc And then we have the cranks, the Sunday Independent ' nationalists '

Plenty of his community had no time for him. You can see that by comments online. I wouldn't fancy saying the same thing into an rte camera unless I wanted a visit from a few of his mates, or I had fire insurance on my home.