RIRA Man shot dead in broad daylight

Fenian Army wrote: »

jmayo wrote: »

Problem with going down that avenue is you then owe alan ryan.

I just find it rather unbelievable that people are still talking up his republican credentials.
I suppose he was like a fair few more protectors or freedom fighters who while supposedly protecting their local community are actually sucking it dry at the same time.
Reminds me a bit of the mafia.

Funny how these guys manage to get rich whilst they are protecting their communities and isn't it funny how some drug dealers and theives can continue to function within their area of control ?

What makes his so called republican credentials all the more laughable is that he lived and operated in Dublin, not in some area that is still controlled by those awful Brits.

The thing is, you wouldn't.

Well, not anymore anyways.

jmayo wrote: »

Problem with going down that avenue is you then owe alan ryan.

I just find it rather unbelievable that people are still talking up his republican credentials.
I suppose he was like a fair few more protectors or freedom fighters who while supposedly protecting their local community are actually sucking it dry at the same time.
Reminds me a bit of the mafia.

Funny how these guys manage to get rich whilst they are protecting their communities and isn't it funny how some drug dealers and theives can continue to function within their area of control ?

What makes his so called republican credentials all the more laughable is that he lived and operated in Dublin, not in some area that is still controlled by those awful Brits.

I love all this moral indignation that flies in the face of reality. Revolutionaries, subversives, anti establishment, terrorists (call them whatever you want) around the world have always funded their operations this way. Bank robbing, involement in what we call crimminal activity.
When you have an EU fund for revolution that they can apply to or a Bank that likes to say Yes to revolutionaries then their methods of fund raising might change.
It a reality of life that this is how they fund themselves, get over it and deal with the core issues. Because otherwise it's just shrill indignation and useless condemnation which always has and always will, fall on deaf ears.

Happyman42 wrote: »

I never said that.
30 years ago to talk about the 'unrealistic' idea that the IRA would disarm, that the Unionists would sit down and thrash out a mutally respectful deal to enable power to be equally shared would have had you thrown in a loony bin.
Yet it happened, but there where those who were left behind and that movement is growing. Is it time to admit that this movement exists and have legitimate claims (even if you don't agree with them), is it time to engineer a situation where these people are brought to a negotiating table and their issues addressed? Or will we wait until the body count is once again high enough?

I admit they have legitimate claims, and I also admit that the unionists have legitimate claims. How do you square that circle?

Happyman42 wrote: »

I love all this moral indignation that flies in the face of reality. Revolutionaries, subversives, anti establishment, terrorists (call them whatever you want) around the world have always funded their operations this way. Bank robbing, involement in what we call crimminal activity.

Perhaps then you will spare us the moral indignation about collusion, oppression and counter-terrorist operations?

After all, it flies in the face of reality and it's always been that way.

Sleepy wrote: »

What legitimate claims have they?

That they should be allowed to run protection rackets? That drug dealers should pay them tax? That they should be allowed to ignore the democratic wishes of the people they claim to represent?

Neither population supports their dream of unification of the two countries on this Island. Both sides voted in the Good Friday agreement.

I think you might need to increase the intensity of your 'research'.
We'll just get them all 'jobs', that'll cure everything. :rolleyes:

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I admit they have legitimate claims, and I also admit that the unionists have legitimate claims. How do you square that circle?

Recognition and negotiation, it's the only way. History teaches us the dangers of supression on this island.
Putting your head in the sand and hoping it will go away is not the answer either.

If one can ignore the sentiment of the video there's some decent pics in there so people can get an idea of what the aggro is about

Monty Burnz wrote: »

What is left to negotiate? What further concessions can now be made to the majority, and what more to the minority?

Do you really think you are going to find that out by suppression? Good luck with that point of view, it is clear that not everyone was accommadated in the GFA. You can jump up and down and point at the voting statistics all you wish, does not deal with the realities though. People have died and will continue to die.....needlessly. We have been here before, are we going to go the same road again?........looks like it to me.

jmayo wrote: »

Ehh how about calling a spade a spade and just call them criminals ?
Yes there are revolunaries, but how anyone can call alan ryan one is beyond me.
What was he revolting against in north Dublin city ?



Again what was he supposedly revolting against ?

And what are the core issues for North Dublin ?
What core issue was being satisfied by demanding a publican shut his business or else ?

BTW why don't you get over it and deal with the modern world.
The vast vast majority of people don't want your so called revolutionaries like alan ryan, because they see them for what they are, criminals who prey on their own.

Just in: 'Will all Republicans, Revolutionaries and those who wish to see a United Ireland please live within 10 miles of the Border'.:rolleyes:

Happyman42 wrote: »

I didn't believe that the two sides could thrash out the GFA, but they did and it is holding for those who signed up to it.

But I thought your argument is that it isn't working and needs to be be renegotiated?

Happyman42 wrote: »

I don't know what the answers are or what terms will satisfy but I do know, what will 'not' work and is not working. Young men are being attracted to this movement again, those who where prepared to allow the GFA address their issues with partition are being swayed back to supporting the disidents. That is what is happening amid all the useless condemnation of this one man's fundraising.

See, now it isn't working again? And to be fair, I don't think it's useless for the wider community to show revulsion for the activities of a man who made a living from violence and the sale of drugs.

Happyman42 wrote: »

Do you really think you are going to find that out by suppression? Good luck with that point of view, it is clear that not everyone was accommadated in the GFA. You can jump up and down and point at the voting statistics all you wish, does not deal with the realities though. People have died and will continue to die.....needlessly. We have been here before, are we going to go the same road again?........looks like it to me.

Yea, thugs and drug dealers!
Time to crack down on scum like Ryan and his criminal ilk.

rarnes1 wrote: »

Not they wouldn't.

The ignorance is unreal.

Ignorance is only to be expected from people who don't know what they are talking about.

SocSocPol wrote: »

Yea, thugs and drug dealers!
Time to crack down on scum like Ryan and his criminal ilk.

You always where full of novel solutions. :rolleyes:

Monty Burnz wrote: »

But how do you satisfy the more extreme elements on either side at the same time? It makes no sense at all.

I honestly don't know. But as I said before, I didn't know how the IRA-Sinn Fein and the Unionists where going to be satisfied, but they have been. You cannot shirk the responsibility to try and try again though and you certainly don't do anything to make it worse and suppressing it, will make it worse.

It seems that you have more information about this guy than is in the public domain. Would you share it please? Ideally, with some sort of proof.

I have been sold pups before about various people. I recognise the speil.

Pol Pot had plenty of supporters too - perhaps we should listen to what they say about him, rather than read the history books?

Listen to what they believe in and tell me you aren't concerned.