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RIRA Man shot dead in broad daylight

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,612 ✭✭✭Lelantos


    jmayo wrote: »
    Problem with going down that avenue is you then owe alan ryan. :(

    I just find it rather unbelievable that people are still talking up his republican credentials.
    I suppose he was like a fair few more protectors or freedom fighters who while supposedly protecting their local community are actually sucking it dry at the same time.
    Reminds me a bit of the mafia.

    Funny how these guys manage to get rich whilst they are protecting their communities and isn't it funny how some drug dealers and theives can continue to function within their area of control ?

    What makes his so called republican credentials all the more laughable is that he lived and operated in Dublin, not in some area that is still controlled by those awful Brits.

    The thing is, you wouldn't.
    Well, not anymore anyways.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,208 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    seamus wrote: »
    Admit to committing a crime or be killed.

    Yeah, I can't see how that system would ever get it wrong...
    It really sums up the "republican" justice system! Imagine some girl decided she didn't like you cos you dumped her. 24 hours later you're in a wheelchair having to leave the country!


  • Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    flanzer wrote: »
    Could they not have drafted in the army and the rangers also?

    That would make it worse I think...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Cheeky_gal wrote: »
    WERE HIS BROTHERS INVOLVED IN CRIME?

    Someone said they were, but I did not read about any truth of that in any of the papers.
    From what I hear, one wasn't (the one who went back to his house on the night of the murder), and the others are.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    jmayo wrote: »
    Problem with going down that avenue is you then owe alan ryan. :(

    I just find it rather unbelievable that people are still talking up his republican credentials.
    I suppose he was like a fair few more protectors or freedom fighters who while supposedly protecting their local community are actually sucking it dry at the same time.
    Reminds me a bit of the mafia.

    Funny how these guys manage to get rich whilst they are protecting their communities and isn't it funny how some drug dealers and theives can continue to function within their area of control ?

    What makes his so called republican credentials all the more laughable is that he lived and operated in Dublin, not in some area that is still controlled by those awful Brits.

    I love all this moral indignation that flies in the face of reality. Revolutionaries, subversives, anti establishment, terrorists (call them whatever you want) around the world have always funded their operations this way. Bank robbing, involement in what we call crimminal activity.
    When you have an EU fund for revolution that they can apply to or a Bank that likes to say Yes to revolutionaries then their methods of fund raising might change.
    It a reality of life that this is how they fund themselves, get over it and deal with the core issues. Because otherwise it's just shrill indignation and useless condemnation which always has and always will, fall on deaf ears.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 247 ✭✭Goro


    Dutch Gold Republicans.

    As soon as the Brits leave they promise they will all get jobs and stop selling gear.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭Carlos Orange


    canttalk1 wrote: »
    You´re either trying to provoke a response, or like the previous poster from one of the most prestiguos areas in Dublin, you are extremely ignorant. Drug use / abuse is not confined to the lower classes and in the case of cocaine, arguably the most popular drug on the "market", there´s a reason why it´s called a yuppy-drug.

    In fact, there was a high profile model that died using the drug only a couple of years ago that briefly highlighted the problem of that particular drug amongst our "elite" society. I won´t do that girl the dishonour of mentioning her name in this thread, but it´s nice to see the full circle as to how each of the sociological problems interconnect between the economic classes.

    Drug use isn't confined to the lower class and neither is working confined to 'working class' areas. It is a fairly meaningless term.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 25,000 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    I never said that.
    30 years ago to talk about the 'unrealistic' idea that the IRA would disarm, that the Unionists would sit down and thrash out a mutally respectful deal to enable power to be equally shared would have had you thrown in a loony bin.
    Yet it happened, but there where those who were left behind and that movement is growing. Is it time to admit that this movement exists and have legitimate claims (even if you don't agree with them), is it time to engineer a situation where these people are brought to a negotiating table and their issues addressed? Or will we wait until the body count is once again high enough?
    What legitimate claims have they?

    That they should be allowed to run protection rackets? That drug dealers should pay them tax? That they should be allowed to ignore the democratic wishes of the people they claim to represent?

    Neither population supports their dream of unification of the two countries on this Island. Both sides voted in the Good Friday agreement.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    I never said that.
    30 years ago to talk about the 'unrealistic' idea that the IRA would disarm, that the Unionists would sit down and thrash out a mutally respectful deal to enable power to be equally shared would have had you thrown in a loony bin.
    Yet it happened, but there where those who were left behind and that movement is growing. Is it time to admit that this movement exists and have legitimate claims (even if you don't agree with them), is it time to engineer a situation where these people are brought to a negotiating table and their issues addressed? Or will we wait until the body count is once again high enough?
    I admit they have legitimate claims, and I also admit that the unionists have legitimate claims. How do you square that circle?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    humanji wrote: »
    From what I hear, one wasn't (the one who went back to his house on the night of the murder), and the others are.

    Where did you hear it? :confused:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    I love all this moral indignation that flies in the face of reality. Revolutionaries, subversives, anti establishment, terrorists (call them whatever you want) around the world have always funded their operations this way. Bank robbing, involement in what we call crimminal activity.
    Perhaps then you will spare us the moral indignation about collusion, oppression and counter-terrorist operations?

    After all, it flies in the face of reality and it's always been that way.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭Cheeky_gal


    Type in Aaron Nealis into Facebook.

    He's Alan's mate (the guy who got shot in the leg).

    The amount of crap he's posted up about Alan been a hero, look at the amount of likes and comments. It's sickening


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Sleepy wrote: »
    What legitimate claims have they?

    That they should be allowed to run protection rackets? That drug dealers should pay them tax? That they should be allowed to ignore the democratic wishes of the people they claim to represent?

    Neither population supports their dream of unification of the two countries on this Island. Both sides voted in the Good Friday agreement.

    I think you might need to increase the intensity of your 'research'.
    We'll just get them all 'jobs', that'll cure everything. :rolleyes:
    I admit they have legitimate claims, and I also admit that the unionists have legitimate claims. How do you square that circle?

    Recognition and negotiation, it's the only way. History teaches us the dangers of supression on this island.
    Putting your head in the sand and hoping it will go away is not the answer either.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Recognition and negotiation, it's the only way. History teaches us the dangers of supression on this island.
    Putting your head in the sand and hoping it will go away is not the answer either.
    But that has been done, and a huge majority have supported the conclusion. What is left to negotiate? What further concessions can now be made to the majority, and what more to the minority?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army




    If one can ignore the sentiment of the video there's some decent pics in there so people can get an idea of what the aggro is about


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,226 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    I love all this moral indignation that flies in the face of reality. Revolutionaries, subversives, anti establishment, terrorists (call them whatever you want) around the world have always funded their operations this way. Bank robbing, involement in what we call crimminal activity.

    Ehh how about calling a spade a spade and just call them criminals ?
    Yes there are revolunaries, but how anyone can call alan ryan one is beyond me.
    What was he revolting against in north Dublin city ?
    Happyman42 wrote: »
    When you have an EU fund for revolution that they can apply to or a Bank that likes to say Yes to revolutionaries then their methods of fund raising might change.
    It a reality of life that this is how they fund themselves, get over it and deal with the core issues. Because otherwise it's just shrill indignation and useless condemnation which always has and always will, fall on deaf ears.

    Again what was he supposedly revolting against ?

    And what are the core issues for North Dublin ?
    What core issue was being satisfied by demanding a publican shut his business or else ?

    BTW why don't you get over it and deal with the modern world.
    The vast vast majority of people don't want your so called revolutionaries like alan ryan, because they see them for what they are, criminals who prey on their own.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    What is left to negotiate? What further concessions can now be made to the majority, and what more to the minority?

    Do you really think you are going to find that out by suppression? Good luck with that point of view, it is clear that not everyone was accommadated in the GFA. You can jump up and down and point at the voting statistics all you wish, does not deal with the realities though. People have died and will continue to die.....needlessly. We have been here before, are we going to go the same road again?........looks like it to me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Do you really think you are going to find that out by suppression?
    I'm not suppressing anyone - I'm just asking a simple question.
    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Good luck with that point of view, it is clear that not everyone was accommadated in the GFA. You can jump up and down and point at the voting statistics all you wish, does not deal with the realities though. People have died and will continue to die.....needlessly. We have been here before, are we going to go the same road again?........looks like it to me.
    No disrespect, but there's a lot of rhetoric there that does not address the question - how do you satisfy the hardline republicans and the hardline loyalists at the same time?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    jmayo wrote: »
    Ehh how about calling a spade a spade and just call them criminals ?
    Yes there are revolunaries, but how anyone can call alan ryan one is beyond me.
    What was he revolting against in north Dublin city ?



    Again what was he supposedly revolting against ?

    And what are the core issues for North Dublin ?
    What core issue was being satisfied by demanding a publican shut his business or else ?

    BTW why don't you get over it and deal with the modern world.
    The vast vast majority of people don't want your so called revolutionaries like alan ryan, because they see them for what they are, criminals who prey on their own.

    Just in: 'Will all Republicans, Revolutionaries and those who wish to see a United Ireland please live within 10 miles of the Border'.:rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    I'm not suppressing anyone - I'm just asking a simple question.

    No disrespect, but there's a lot of rhetoric there that does not address the question - how do you satisfy the hardline republicans and the hardline loyalists at the same time?

    I didn't believe that the two sides could thrash out the GFA, but they did and it is holding for those who signed up to it.
    I don't know what the answers are or what terms will satisfy but I do know, what will 'not' work and is not working. Young men are being attracted to this movement again, those who where prepared to allow the GFA address their issues with partition are being swayed back to supporting the disidents. That is what is happening amid all the useless condemnation of this one man's fundraising.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    I didn't believe that the two sides could thrash out the GFA, but they did and it is holding for those who signed up to it.
    But I thought your argument is that it isn't working and needs to be be renegotiated?
    Happyman42 wrote: »
    I don't know what the answers are or what terms will satisfy but I do know, what will 'not' work and is not working. Young men are being attracted to this movement again, those who where prepared to allow the GFA address their issues with partition are being swayed back to supporting the disidents. That is what is happening amid all the useless condemnation of this one man's fundraising.
    See, now it isn't working again? And to be fair, I don't think it's useless for the wider community to show revulsion for the activities of a man who made a living from violence and the sale of drugs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    But I thought your argument is that it isn't working and needs to be be renegotiated?

    It's working for those signed up to it. It may have to be renegotitated, I don't know.
    See, now it isn't working again? And to be fair, I don't think it's useless for the wider community to show revulsion for the activities of a man who made a living from violence and the sale of drugs.

    If you believe that that was all this man was involved in, his own personal aggrandisement, then you have been deluded. Remember the same nonsense that Adams and McGuinness where common, self interested thugs? How true do you believe that was, and where is the evidence, the offshore accounts, the lavish lifestyles, the pocketed money, the cars etc. We have had 40 odd years to find out about it, after all.

    Pay attention to the comments beng made by his supporters, how this man is viewed by them is what we should be concerned about.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭SocSocPol


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Do you really think you are going to find that out by suppression? Good luck with that point of view, it is clear that not everyone was accommadated in the GFA. You can jump up and down and point at the voting statistics all you wish, does not deal with the realities though. People have died and will continue to die.....needlessly. We have been here before, are we going to go the same road again?........looks like it to me.
    Yea, thugs and drug dealers!
    Time to crack down on scum like Ryan and his criminal ilk.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    It's working for those signed up to it. It may have to be renegotitated, I don't know.
    But how do you satisfy the more extreme elements on either side at the same time? It makes no sense at all.
    Happyman42 wrote: »
    If you believe that that was all this man was involved in, his own personal aggrandisement, then you have been deluded. Remember the same nonsense that Adams and McGuinness where common, self interested thugs? How true do you believe that was, and where is the evidence, the offshore accounts, the lavish lifestyles, the pocketed money, the cars etc. We have had 40 odd years to find out about it, after all.
    It seems that you have more information about this guy than is in the public domain. Would you share it please? Ideally, with some sort of proof.
    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Pay attention to the comments beng made by his supporters, how this man is viewed by them is what we should be concerned about.
    Pol Pot had plenty of supporters too - perhaps we should listen to what they say about him, rather than read the history books?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    rarnes1 wrote: »
    Not they wouldn't.

    The ignorance is unreal.

    Ignorance is only to be expected from people who don't know what they are talking about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Bambi wrote: »
    Where did you hear it? :confused:
    From people who know the family. And there were a few articles in the past that mention the Ryan brothers being suspected/arrested for various crimes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    SocSocPol wrote: »
    Yea, thugs and drug dealers!
    Time to crack down on scum like Ryan and his criminal ilk.

    You always where full of novel solutions. :rolleyes:
    But how do you satisfy the more extreme elements on either side at the same time? It makes no sense at all.
    I honestly don't know. But as I said before, I didn't know how the IRA-Sinn Fein and the Unionists where going to be satisfied, but they have been. You cannot shirk the responsibility to try and try again though and you certainly don't do anything to make it worse and suppressing it, will make it worse.
    It seems that you have more information about this guy than is in the public domain. Would you share it please? Ideally, with some sort of proof.
    I have been sold pups before about various people. I recognise the speil.
    Pol Pot had plenty of supporters too - perhaps we should listen to what they say about him, rather than read the history books?

    Listen to what they believe in and tell me you aren't concerned.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭Billy Mays




    If one can ignore the sentiment of the video there's some decent pics in there so people can get an idea of what the aggro is about

    Can't get any idea of what the "aggro" is about from any of those pics to be honest. All I can see are pictures of a load of muppets in fancy dress.

    I'm no fan of the catholic church but I'd say the priest who had the misfortune of conducting Ryan's funeral was disgusted by the carry on from these gobsh!tes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70 ✭✭DublinC


    Billy Mays wrote: »
    Can't get any idea of what the "aggro" is about from any of those pics to be honest. All I can see are pictures of a load of muppets in fancy dress.

    I'm no fan of the catholic church but I'd say the priest who had the misfortune of conducting Ryan's funeral was disgusted by the carry on from these gobsh!tes

    Shatter and co. are angry because of how the funeral took place.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    DublinC wrote: »
    Shatter and co. are angry because of how the funeral took place.

    Got you, thought Fenian Army was talking about aggro between the RIRA and drug dealers. My mistake.


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