RIRA Man shot dead in broad daylight

Fenian Army · 10-09-2012 04:22PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

They do what they can, but they have to operate within the law. Admittedly, it's f*cking frustrating at times.

If you are in trouble with drug dealers, ie owe them money or something, (which in a working class community is easy enough to happen when young kids get taken advantage of) its worse than useless to go to the Garda.

Unfortunatly I'm speaking from experience but the best thing to do is:

1.Pay them off

2.Go to someone like alan ryan if you can't.

The garda won't do anything, they'll take your statement which will be about it and be nowhere to be seen when you have your legs broken.

And thats not me supporting AR, but pointing out facts.

Monty Burnz · 10-09-2012 04:22PM

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Hence my use of the word 'morally' and lack of the word 'legally'

And laws are not based on morality?

I have to say, I was happy enough when I heard that the Yorkshire Ripper was dead. I am now saddened to learn that that makes me his moral equivalent.

Lelantos · 10-09-2012 04:24PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

alan ryan has gone from being Batman to the A-Team now..

If your kid has a problem with drugs, and nobody else can help .....

The truth is he had no training in drug rehab and he received his gun health and safety in a field from older men trying to impress kids with their ****e talk...

Bad Alan Barracus
"I ain't gettin in no coffin fool"

Monty Burnz · 10-09-2012 04:25PM

Fenian Army wrote: »

If you are in trouble with drug dealers, ie owe them money or something, (which in a working class community is easy enough to happen when young kids get taken advantage of) its worse than useless to go to the Garda.

Unfortunatly I'm speaking from experience but the best thing to do is:

1.Pay them off

2.Go to someone like alan ryan if you can't.

The garda won't do anything, they'll take your statement which will be about it and be nowhere to be seen when you have your legs broken.

And thats not me supporting AR, but pointing out facts.

Right, but that isn't really something in his favour, is it? If criminal A* has a problem with criminal B, talk to criminal C?

*or non-criminal

Sleepy · 10-09-2012 04:27PM

Fenian Army wrote: »

lol.

We are talking about working class communities being utterly destroyed by these scum dealing drugs like heroin, not people selling weed or yolks to rich kids

No, we're talking about kids who've been dragged up injecting ****e into their arms or joining criminal gangs to make money off of the junkies (and don't kid yourself that Ryan wasn't making money off those poor saps).

If more people in working class communities actually (a) worked and (b) were bothered to raise their children to understand they could have a better life by making the most of the educational opportunities provided to them and working hard, there'd be **** all market for the dealer's wares.

We all know plenty of guys who grew up in absolute ****holes that were raised well and have done very well for themselves. Growing up without a silver spoon in your mouth is no excuse to turn to crime. It's no excuse for fathering / giving birth to a child you can't be arsed to rear. We have one of the most generous social welfare systems in Europe. The vast, vast majority of the welfare classes who've never worked a day in their lives live in absolute luxury when compared to the lives lived by our grandparents.

There are good, honest people living in these areas. Who can they blame for the fact their communities are ****holes when they start turning to the likes of Ryan instead of the police? When they refuse to "rat" on their law-breaking neighbours? When they hand over money for protection from the local bully boy who's draped himself with a tricolour instead of working with the police to put him behind bars?

Ash.J.Williams · 10-09-2012 04:31PM

Has anybody here had a problem and went to the gardai, who did nothing, and you had to visit a vigilante instead?

canttalk1 · 10-09-2012 04:32PM

Sleepy wrote: »

No, we're talking about kids who've been dragged up injecting ****e into their arms or joining criminal gangs to make money off of the junkies (and don't kid yourself that Ryan wasn't making money off those poor saps).

If more people in working class communities actually (a) worked and (b) were bothered to raise their children to understand they could have a better life by making the most of the educational opportunities provided to them and working hard, there'd be **** all market for the dealer's wares.

We all know plenty of guys who grew up in absolute ****holes that were raised well and have done very well for themselves. Growing up without a silver spoon in your mouth is no excuse to turn to crime. It's no excuse for fathering / giving birth to a child you can't be arsed to rear. We have one of the most generous social welfare systems in Europe. The vast, vast majority of the welfare classes who've never worked a day in their lives live in absolute luxury when compared to the lives lived by our grandparents.

There are good, honest people living in these areas. Who can they blame for the fact their communities are ****holes when they start turning to the likes of Ryan instead of the police? When they refuse to "rat" on their law-breaking neighbours? When they hand over money for protection from the local bully boy who's draped himself with a tricolour instead of working with the police to put him behind bars?

very, very apt location for such a silly comment.

Sleepy · 10-09-2012 04:33PM

Calling my post silly doesn't deal with the points I make, it just makes it look as if you have no rebuttal for them.

fasttalkerchat · 10-09-2012 04:34PM

StaunchyDJ wrote: »

Still it can't be seen as okay to shoot guns! What do you think would happen if at a gang leaders funeral they decided to let off a volley or 2...? The cops would be straight in!

Sending in the guards certainly isn't a solution. That was all I had to say on the matter.

Fenian Army · 10-09-2012 04:34PM

canttalk1 wrote: »

very, very apt location for such a silly comment.

Pretty much

Happyman42 · 10-09-2012 04:34PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

And the alternative is...Brits out? Or what?

It may have to be that. Depends what price you put on a peaceful society. The level of violence at the moment is something the powers that be can plainly live with, the con they are selling 'again', is that it will eventually go away or that they (with our help and blessing) can violently suppress it.

Carlos Orange · 10-09-2012 04:36PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I wonder why it never occurred to Batman to just tax the criminals rather than actually stopping them? He'd have made a fortune and would have avoided lots of nasty scraps.

I don't think Batman was in it for the money. He was already fairly well off. It was more of a hobby.

Crooked Jack · 10-09-2012 04:36PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

And laws are not based on morality?

I have to say, I was happy enough when I heard that the Yorkshire Ripper was dead. I am now saddened to learn that that makes me his moral equivalent.

Ooo, why stop there, why dont you just go all out and say Hitler.
People are on here condemning him as a murdering scumbag and then saying they're glad he was murdered in the same breath.
These people are condemning this fella as a murderer and then celebrating his murder. Ergo they think murder is acceptable in certain situations, much like he did. how are those attitudes not morally equivalent.

If i bang your wife it'd fairly safe to say that's morally wrong. It's not illegal though.

AEDIC · 10-09-2012 04:37PM

Happyman42 wrote: »

It may have to be that. Depends what price you put on a peaceful society. The level of violence at the moment is something the powers that be can plainly live with, the con they are selling 'again', is that it will eventually go away or that they (with our help and blessing) can violently suppress it.

Won't solve anything.... sorry to remind everyone of the main thrust of the thread here....but this is about a guy using thinly veiled 'republicanism' to 'tax' drug dealers.

Unless I am missing something and those drug dealers were Brits then you are a bit off the mark....in this case.

Carlos Orange · 10-09-2012 04:38PM

Fenian Army wrote: »

The fact is that the garda do fcuk all to stop these drug dealers which is wh people turn to people like Alan Ryan for help.

If someone has a kid in trouble with drug dealers it's better to go to someone like Alan Ryan than the garda, thats the simple fact of the matter.

If shatter and the government combated drugs better and didn't leave working class communities to fend for themselves people like Ryan wouldn't be able to establish themselves in the community.

Thats the root of the issue.

If people in 'working class communities' (which seems to mean the exact opposite these days) bought less drugs there wouldn't even be drug dealers. Not sure economists know much about how economies work but I think they are onto something with this whole supply/demand idea.

fasttalkerchat · 10-09-2012 04:38PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Has anybody here had a problem and went to the gardai, who did nothing, and you had to visit a vigilante instead?

Not me personally but I know of someone who was raped and couldn't face going to court. They sat in with a local republican and their mother and told the story. They confronted the scumbag who admitted to it in exchange for keeping his life. He's now in a wheelchair in England.

Monty Burnz · 10-09-2012 04:40PM

Happyman42 wrote: »

It may have to be that. Depends what price you put on a peaceful society. The level of violence at the moment is something the powers that be can plainly live with, the con they are selling 'again', is that it will eventually go away or that they (with our help and blessing) can violently suppress it.

I think the idea that you can 'peacefully' drive out the million plus people who are British but regard the six counties as their home is rather unrealistic.

Sleepy · 10-09-2012 04:40PM

And isn't that a wonderful story :rolleyes:

We live in a representative democracy in the 21st century and you think tribal war-lords offer a better option?

Goro · 10-09-2012 04:40PM

Yeah it's all the Brits fault. Those Brits have a terrible hold on Donaghmede, The young lads in tracksuits there really must get the Brits out of that area for the good of the country. And sure if they sell a bit of gear, rob a few cars and bully a few publicans out of a grand or 10 along the way...well hey, it's all in the name of patriotism.

The stupidity of the Ra heads here is stunning.

Monty Burnz · 10-09-2012 04:42PM

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Ooo, why stop there, why dont you just go all out and say Hitler.

Oh no, I was very sad when he died.

Crooked Jack wrote: »

People are on here condemning him as a murdering scumbag and then saying they're glad he was murdered in the same breath.
These people are condemning this fella as a murderer and then celebrating his murder. Ergo they think murder is acceptable in certain situations, much like he did. how are those attitudes not morally equivalent.

There's a difference between "I'm glad he's dead" and actually killing him. No?

Crooked Jack wrote: »

If i bang your wife it'd fairly safe to say that's morally wrong. It's not illegal though.

You are dead wrong there mate, my wife is only 12.

Monty Burnz · 10-09-2012 04:43PM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

Not me personally but I know of someone who was raped and couldn't face going to court. They sat in with a local republican and their mother and told the story. They confronted the scumbag who admitted to it in exchange for keeping his life. He's now in a wheelchair in England.

Of course, there's no risk that somebody would make up a story like that, or someone might get clipped in a case of mistaken identity...

canttalk1 · 10-09-2012 04:45PM

psinno wrote: »

If people in 'working class communities' (which seems to mean the exact opposite these days) bought less drugs there wouldn't even be drug dealers. Not sure economists know much about how economies work but I think they are onto something with this whole supply/demand idea.

You´re either trying to provoke a response, or like the previous poster from one of the most prestiguos areas in Dublin, you are extremely ignorant. Drug use / abuse is not confined to the lower classes and in the case of cocaine, arguably the most popular drug on the "market", there´s a reason why it´s called a yuppy-drug.

In fact, there was a high profile model that died using the drug only a couple of years ago that briefly highlighted the problem of that particular drug amongst our "elite" society. I won´t do that girl the dishonour of mentioning her name in this thread, but it´s nice to see the full circle as to how each of the sociological problems interconnect between the economic classes.

Ash.J.Williams · 10-09-2012 04:47PM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

Not me personally but I know of someone who was raped and couldn't face going to court. They sat in with a local republican and their mother and told the story. They confronted the scumbag who admitted to it in exchange for keeping his life. He's now in a wheelchair in England.

so she didn't report it?

Crooked Jack · 10-09-2012 04:48PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Oh no, I was very sad when he died.

There's a difference between "I'm glad he's dead" and actually killing him. No?

You didnt answer my question so I see no reason to answer yours.

You are dead wrong there mate, my wife is only 12.

Touche

seamus · 10-09-2012 04:49PM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

They confronted the scumbag who admitted to it in exchange for keeping his life.

Admit to committing a crime or be killed.

Yeah, I can't see how that system would ever get it wrong...

Sleepy · 10-09-2012 04:52PM

And I'm sure we've never had a false rape allegation in this country...

Happyman42 · 10-09-2012 04:52PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I think the idea that you can 'peacefully' drive out the million plus people who are British but regard the six counties as their home is rather unrealistic.

I never said that.
30 years ago to talk about the 'unrealistic' idea that the IRA would disarm, that the Unionists would sit down and thrash out a mutally respectful deal to enable power to be equally shared would have had you thrown in a loony bin.
Yet it happened, but there where those who were left behind and that movement is growing. Is it time to admit that this movement exists and have legitimate claims (even if you don't agree with them), is it time to engineer a situation where these people are brought to a negotiating table and their issues addressed? Or will we wait until the body count is once again high enough?

Cheeky_gal · 10-09-2012 04:55PM

WERE HIS BROTHERS INVOLVED IN CRIME?

Someone said they were, but I did not read about any truth of that in any of the papers.

jmayo · 10-09-2012 04:55PM

Fenian Army wrote: »

If you are in trouble with drug dealers, ie owe them money or something, (which in a working class community is easy enough to happen when young kids get taken advantage of) its worse than useless to go to the Garda.

Unfortunatly I'm speaking from experience but the best thing to do is:

1.Pay them off

2.Go to someone like alan ryan if you can't.
...

Problem with going down that avenue is you then owe alan ryan.

I just find it rather unbelievable that people are still talking up his republican credentials.
I suppose he was like a fair few more protectors or freedom fighters who while supposedly protecting their local community are actually sucking it dry at the same time.
Reminds me a bit of the mafia.

Funny how these guys manage to get rich whilst they are protecting their communities and isn't it funny how some drug dealers and theives can continue to function within their area of control ?

What makes his so called republican credentials all the more laughable is that he lived and operated in Dublin, not in some area that is still controlled by those awful Brits.

Fenian Army · 10-09-2012 05:00PM

jmayo wrote: »

Problem with going down that avenue is you then owe alan ryan.

I just find it rather unbelievable that people are still talking up his republican credentials.
I suppose he was like a fair few more protectors or freedom fighters who while supposedly protecting their local community are actually sucking it dry at the same time.
Reminds me a bit of the mafia.

Funny how these guys manage to get rich whilst they are protecting their communities and isn't it funny how some drug dealers and theives can continue to function within their area of control ?

What makes his so called republican credentials all the more laughable is that he lived and operated in Dublin, not in some area that is still controlled by those awful Brits.

The thing is, you wouldn't.

RIRA Man shot dead in broad daylight

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