RIRA Man shot dead in broad daylight

Goro · 10-09-2012 03:28PM

Yes please people lets stop praising gang land criminals.

They are Ireland's greatest foe.

I cannot believe that some people here actually think that they can justify a drugs and protection racketeers actions by pretending he was our "fwend".

Aulwans with blue stickers in their windows are looking out for the community. Heroin dealers and those who protect them are not.

And they dare use the term "Republican"!

I would sooner see the Queen ruling here again before the balaclava and the needle!

Lelantos · 10-09-2012 03:29PM

Goro wrote: »

Yes please people lets stop praising gang land criminals.

They are Ireland's greatest foe.

I cannot believe that some people here actually think that they can justify a drugs and protection racketeers actions by pretending he was our "fwend".

Aulwans with blue stickers in their windows are looking out for the community. Heroin dealers and those who protect them are not.

And they dare use the term "Republican"!

I would rather see the Queen as our figurehead than the balaclava and the needle!

The Chucky's are going to be spitting their half fat lattes out in disgust at that one.

fasttalkerchat · 10-09-2012 03:43PM

super_furry wrote: »

Again, any evidence?

Proving that Michael Stone was a British agent or that collusion happened is a totally different matter to this thread and not something I can be bothered to get into here. Make a thread saying you think collusion is a myth and you will get plenty of counter arguments and evidence... better save us all the hassle and use google!

Happyman42 · 10-09-2012 03:45PM

Dave! wrote: »

It's a long time since there's been any violence involved in the partition of the country; any violence has been in the course of battling with subversive paramilitary groups.

:D what was that you were saying about 'naive':rolleyes:
Partition was always violently enforced.

canttalk1 · 10-09-2012 03:46PM

Dave! wrote: »

Armed paramilitaries have been trying to overthrow the state and committing terrorist atrocities until relatively recently in this country, and over the weekend we witnessed them walking down the street of our nation's capital in full uniform, before firing shots into the air in a residential estate. Drug dealing is a law and order problem that exists in every country in the world, and can be dealt with in the ordinary criminal manner. The fact that the IRA were able to do what they did over the weekend and the Gardaí were powerless to stop them shows how sinister their continued presence really is.

And the fact that people like you fail to see that vigilantism is anathema to most right-thinking people in the country, and are apparently lamenting the demise of one of them, shows how clueless so-called Republicans really are these days. It also reenforces my resolve never to vote for Sinn Féin, and my likelihood to vote against any potential future referendum on unification with the north.

Most people in this thread claim themselves to be right-thinking, yet, you don´t have to scroll back many pages to see people celebrating vigilantism in the form of a murder. It´s something I can´t understand, a murder is a murder, two wrongs don´t make a right.

SocSocPol · 10-09-2012 03:47PM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

Proving that Michael Stone was a British agent or that collusion happened is a totally different matter to this thread and not something I can be bothered to get into here. Make a thread saying you think collusion is a myth and you will get plenty of counter arguments and evidence... better save us all the hassle and use google!

You are the very one who introduced wild and wholly unsubstansiated allegations about collusion in the first place. Prior to that this was a thread about a lowlife crim who got what he deserved.

Cienciano · 10-09-2012 03:50PM

I like the way his "getting rid of drug dealers" also happened to make him lots of money. But he wasn't doing it for the money, he was doing it for the community, he hated taking the cash from the business he "protected". He was also taking money off dealers for the good of the local area.
If the shops/pubs/dealers couldn't afford to pay St. Alan he would carry on protecting their shop/pub because he was doing it for the community. He's a great lad.

Happyman42 · 10-09-2012 03:52PM

canttalk1 wrote: »

Most people in this thread claim themselves to be right-thinking, yet, you don´t have to scroll back many pages to see people celebrating vigilantism in the form of a murder. It´s something I can´t understand, a murder is a murder, two wrongs don´t make a right.

It's the default doublethink position of the not in my backyard partitionist ....head in the sand, hang em high and they'll go away politics.

fasttalkerchat · 10-09-2012 03:57PM

SocSocPol wrote: »

You are the very one who introduced wild and wholly unsubstansiated allegations about collusion in the first place. Prior to that this was a thread about a lowlife crim who got what he deserved.

I mentioned about attacking Republican funerals being a terrible move and was shocked that someone wanted the gards to be directed to do so. At one funeral they tried to snatch a tricolour from a coffin, in another the Brits made a run at the PIRA vols. firing shots over the coffin. Both resulted in days of riots and a strong armed presence as future funerals. They also were widely condemned for disrupting a funeral. You can question whose orders Michael stone was following but the other two cased you could see the uniforms in video.

Monty Burnz · 10-09-2012 03:59PM

Happyman42 wrote: »

Partition was always violently enforced.

It is today?

Crooked Jack · 10-09-2012 04:04PM

SocSocPol wrote: »

You are the very one who introduced wild and wholly unsubstansiated allegations about collusion in the first place. Prior to that this was a thread about a lowlife crim who got what he deserved.

These comments are hilarious. You genuinely dont seem to realise that sentiment makes you every bit as bad as him.

Monty Burnz · 10-09-2012 04:05PM

I wonder why it never occurred to Batman to just tax the criminals rather than actually stopping them? He'd have made a fortune and would have avoided lots of nasty scraps.

Fenian Army · 10-09-2012 04:06PM

humanji wrote: »

It would be better to say that terrorists and drug-dealing gangs are ruling the roost and having people killed. It's not a case of "My enemies enemy is my friend". They're both problems than need to be stamped out.

The fact is that the garda do fcuk all to stop these drug dealers which is wh people turn to people like Alan Ryan for help.

If someone has a kid in trouble with drug dealers it's better to go to someone like Alan Ryan than the garda, thats the simple fact of the matter.

If shatter and the government combated drugs better and didn't leave working class communities to fend for themselves people like Ryan wouldn't be able to establish themselves in the community.

Thats the root of the issue.

Ash.J.Williams · 10-09-2012 04:07PM

The one thing that stands out here for me this week is the low opinion everyone suddenly has for dealers!! If we shoot all the dealers then how the f** are we supposed to party?

A life without recreational drug use or a life with braindead republicans lording over us with guns and bats...mmmmm

StaunchyDJ · 10-09-2012 04:09PM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

I mentioned about attacking Republican funerals being a terrible move and was shocked that someone wanted the gards to be directed to do so. At one funeral they tried to snatch a tricolour from a coffin, in another the Brits made a run at the PIRA vols. firing shots over the coffin. Both resulted in days of riots and a strong armed presence as future funerals. They also were widely condemned for disrupting a funeral. You can question whose orders Michael stone was following but the other two cased you could see the uniforms in video.

Still it can't be seen as okay to shoot guns! What do you think would happen if at a gang leaders funeral they decided to let off a volley or 2...? The cops would be straight in!

SocSocPol · 10-09-2012 04:09PM

Crooked Jack wrote: »

These comments are hilarious. You genuinely dont seem to realise that sentiment makes you every bit as bad as him.

It doesent.
i dont run a protection racket.
I don't murder people.
I am not a member of an organized crime gang pretending to be freedom fighter.
I find your assertion that I am every bit as bad as him to be insulting.

Happyman42 · 10-09-2012 04:09PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

It is today?

We live in a limbo where the main group opposing partition have accepted the terms of the GFA. They pose no military threat to partition for now. That is not to say that there are not groups who oppose it militarily, they are being dealt with violently.
Just because it isn't plastered all over your Daily Mail doesn't mean it isn't happening. It was happening for a long time in Northern Ireland before southerners deigned to give a damm about it.

Fenian Army · 10-09-2012 04:10PM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

The one thing that stands out here for me this week is the low opinion everyone suddenly has for dealers!! If we shoot all the dealers then how the f** are we supposed to party?

A life without recreational drug use or a life with braindead republicans lording over us with guns and bats...mmmmm

lol.

We are talking about working class communities being utterly destroyed by these scum dealing drugs like heroin, not people selling weed or yolks to rich kids

Lelantos · 10-09-2012 04:11PM

Fenian Army wrote: »

humanji wrote: »

It would be better to say that terrorists and drug-dealing gangs are ruling the roost and having people killed. It's not a case of "My enemies enemy is my friend". They're both problems than need to be stamped out.

The fact is that the garda do fcuk all to stop these drug dealers which is wh people turn to people like Alan Ryan for help.

If someone has a kid in trouble with drug dealers it's better to go to someone like Alan Ryan than the garda, thats the simple fact of the matter.

If shatter and the government combated drugs better and didn't leave working class communities to fend for themselves people like Ryan wouldn't be able to establish themselves in the community.

Thats the root of the issue.

Or, if people didn't do drugs, or if the govt controlled the legal supply of drugs & cut out the dealers or if Mary Poppins came down & gave them all a spoonful of sugar. Doesnt matter, report dealers to the guards, don't hit them up for 50% of their takings, doing that forces the dealers to sell more crack, or can you not see that?

Monty Burnz · 10-09-2012 04:11PM

Fenian Army wrote: »

The fact is that the garda do fcuk all to stop these drug dealers which is wh people turn to people like Alan Ryan for help.

They do what they can, but they have to operate within the law. Admittedly, it's f*cking frustrating at times.

Monty Burnz · 10-09-2012 04:12PM

Happyman42 wrote: »

We live in a limbo where the main group opposing partition have accepted the terms of the GFA. They pose no military threat to partition for now. That is not to say that there are not groups who oppose it militarily, they are being dealt with violently.
Just because it isn't plastered all over your Daily Mail doesn't mean it isn't happening. It was happening for a long time in Northern Ireland before southerners deigned to give a damm about it.

So what you are saying is that people who resist the democratic will of the people with murderous violence are being policed?

Is that wrong? On any level?

Crooked Jack · 10-09-2012 04:16PM

SocSocPol wrote: »

It doesent.
i dont run a protection racket.
I don't murder people.
I am not a member of an organized crime gang pretending to be freedom fighter.
I find your assertion that I am every bit as bad as him to be insulting.

Fair enough, you are not as bad as him in practice. But you just agreed with his murder. He was happy enough to kill to get dealers of the streets. You are happy enough for him to be killed to get him off the street.
You are his moral equivalent.

Cienciano · 10-09-2012 04:17PM

Fenian Army wrote: »

The fact is that the garda do fcuk all to stop these drug dealers which is wh people turn to people like Alan Ryan for help.

If someone has a kid in trouble with drug dealers it's better to go to someone like Alan Ryan than the garda, thats the simple fact of the matter.

If shatter and the government combated drugs better and didn't leave working class communities to fend for themselves people like Ryan wouldn't be able to establish themselves in the community.

Thats the root of the issue.

You make it sound like people have a choice in the matter. You go to him. There's plenty of people that don't have a choice, pay up or your place will get trashed.

Ash.J.Williams · 10-09-2012 04:18PM

alan ryan has gone from being Batman to the A-Team now..

If your kid has a problem with drugs, and nobody else can help .....

The truth is he had no training in drug rehab and he received his gun health and safety in a field from older men trying to impress kids with their ****e talk...

canttalk1 · 10-09-2012 04:18PM

Amalia Savory Sax wrote: »

If you are a man who taxes criminals, you would have been pretty thick to think no one would ever have a problem with you.

And based on that, it either makes him very stupid, or very brave. (as his supporters would claim)

To get the other perspective of this, I conducted a little research on AR. We´ve heard nice things being said about criminals upon thier passing before, but to me, this case was different in that there was so much support for what he was supposed to have done. The level of support was much more than anything I can remember for a high profile criminal. Anyone else in agreement there?

Anyway, my curiosity led me to google him/ associates etc and I ended up on the 32CSM Dublin website. A quick flick though photos dating back to 2008 shows there are many pictures of AR at a whole range of marches / protests. There is no doubt he supported convicted "POW´s" and other well known Republican associates. Interestingly, there is a picture of him at an anti-drug march on O´Connell Street in Dec 2010.

Whilst, I´d hold anything written on that site in about as much regard as anything I would read in the Herald / Sunday World / or on here :rolleyes: ... it offered a small amount of perspective from the "other side" & found it interesting all the same.

Monty Burnz · 10-09-2012 04:18PM

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Fair enough, you are not as bad as him in practice. But you just agreed with his murder. He was happy enough to kill to get dealers of the streets. You are happy enough for him to be killed to get him off the street.
You are his moral equivalent.

Well, not really. There's a bit of a difference between being glad (or not caring) that someone is dead and actually going out and killing them. This difference is even recognised by the courts.

Monty Burnz · 10-09-2012 04:20PM

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Fair enough, you are not as bad as him in practice. But you just agreed with his murder. He was happy enough to kill to get dealers of the streets. You are happy enough for him to be killed to get him off the street.
You are his moral equivalent.

The dealers who would not pay him enough, you mean? Not quite the same thing.

Happyman42 · 10-09-2012 04:20PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

So what you are saying is that people who resist the democratic will of the people with murderous violence are being policed?

Is that wrong? On any level?

What I am saying is the shrill 'hang em high' 'wipe the scum out' policy has not worked and will never work.
I have said on other threads on this subject that burying your head in the sand and thinking that the problems caused by partition have gone away is dangerous and irresponsible. The same dangerous and irresponsible governance that caused 30 years of violence.
We were sold all the same pups back in the late 60's and 70's that 'these people where scum', 'that bigger guns would solve the problem' and yet at the end, with many many needlessly dead they sat down and talked it out.
We are making the same same mistakes again, this movement is growing right before our eyes.

Monty Burnz · 10-09-2012 04:21PM

Happyman42 wrote: »

What I am saying is the shrill 'hang em high' 'wipe the scum out' policy has not worked and will never work.

You are probably right here.

Happyman42 wrote: »

I have said on other threads on this subject that burying your head in the sand and thinking that the problems caused by partition have gone away is dangerous and irresponsible. The same dangerous and irresponsible governance that caused 30 years of violence.
We were sold all the same pups back in the late 60's and 70's that 'these people where scum', 'that bigger guns would solve the problem' and yet at the end, with many many needlessly dead they sat down and talked it out.
We are making the same same mistakes again, this movement is growing right before our eyes.

And the alternative is...Brits out? Or what?

Crooked Jack · 10-09-2012 04:21PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Well, not really. There's a bit of a difference between being glad (or not caring) that someone is dead and actually going out and killing them. This difference is even recognised by the courts.

Hence my use of the word 'morally' and lack of the word 'legally'

RIRA Man shot dead in broad daylight

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