Killer Drug?

damagegt · 10-09-2012 03:19PM

I remember stuff last this happening a few years ago,no one died, but it took a few weeks for them to put out a warning that stuff that was been taken was not what it seemed.Im sure people will remember "snowballs".They were ment to be an "E" but were far from it.I know loads of people that took these and lost the plot.You might remember the young fella that pulled out his own eye.People were signing themselves in all over the place.Guys were trying to sell them for 50c each to get rid of them.Which was making the situation worse.

What Im getting at is people are going to take stuff no matter what so if there is something going around that's tainted then a nation wide warning should be put in place to prevent such deaths from happening.

I think its quite a naive view if you think "Sur they know drugs are bad for them if something happens its their own fault"

suicide_circus · 10-09-2012 03:20PM

godeas16 wrote: »

Generally it's when they mix heroin into either E or Coke.
Katy French died that way there was large amounts of heroin mixed into the coke causing od. The same thing can happen with E usually speckled brown or else too pure and strong causing od.

Ah yeah, yokes cut with heroin, happens all the time, cause ye know, drug dealers like to cut cheap drugs with far more expensive drugs...its less cost effective and kills their customers...makes perfect sense.

RDM_83 again · 10-09-2012 03:23PM

#Smokey# wrote: »

As far as weed is concerned ive never seen someone OD or go crazy or even so much as start a fight.

Just my opinion as always

Just in relation to the weed thing, I personally think a lot of that is due to the modern western stereotype that weed makes you relaxed and because of this its self fulfilling response.
I mean if cannabis really did physically turn you into a monged out passive person they wouldn;t have child soldiers smoking it to make them fearless.*
I've also heard similar things (not involving children) anecdotally about combatants using it in the Lebanon before trying to rush Israeli positions

* http://www.lubangatrial.org/2010/10/05/lubanga-trial-highlights-plight-of-child-soldiers/

Intensive Care Bear · 10-09-2012 03:24PM

damagegt wrote: »

I remember stuff last this happening a few years ago,no one died, but it took a few weeks for them to put out a warning that stuff that was been taken was not what it seemed.Im sure people will remember "snowballs".They were ment to be an "E" but were far from it.I know loads of people that took these and lost the plot.You might remember the young fella that pulled out his own eye.People were signing themselves in all over the place.Guys were trying to sell them for 50c each to get rid of them.Which was making the situation worse.

What Im getting at is people are going to take stuff no matter what so if there is something going around that's tainted then a nation wide warning should be put in place to prevent such deaths from happening.

I think its quite a naive view if you think "Sur they know drugs are bad for them if something happens its their own fault"

2c-b, its a fantastic drug if you know what your doing.

kingtiger · 10-09-2012 03:24PM

RDM_83 again wrote: »

I mean if cannabis really did physically turn you into a monged out passive person they wouldn;t have child soldiers smoking it to make them fearless.*
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it would if the weed was laced with Phencyclidine

tdv123 · 10-09-2012 03:25PM

9/10 it's not the actual heroin that kills a user. It's either a case of the user dieing from a disease they caught from sharing dirty needles, injecting into the wrong places or the user unknowingly taking a larger dose than what there used to.

#Smokey# · 10-09-2012 03:26PM

Im not saying legalise all drugs but in my opinion decriminalise posession of small amounts of certain drugs and listen to proper advisors and neutral studies as these cases clog up the legal system and one stupid mistake when your young can affect your chances of getting a good job later in life.

suicide_circus · 10-09-2012 03:26PM

1210m5g wrote: »

2c-b, its a fantastic drug if you know what your doing.

Crazy stuff. Ridiculous duration.

Strawberry Fields · 10-09-2012 03:27PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Ah yeah, yokes cut with heroin, happens all the time, cause ye know, drug dealers like to cut cheap drugs with far more expensive drugs...its less cost effective and kills their customers...makes perfect sense.

O.K. I've retracted the e statement having read the last 5 pages but stand by the coke one known as a speedball.

tdv123 · 10-09-2012 03:28PM

kingtiger wrote: »

nope its

They are dangerous because they are illegal

Exactly, no drug becomes safer when you hand it over to criminals.

Honest opinion · 10-09-2012 03:28PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I knew it was heroin when I saw my friends bouncing off the walls like junkies. :pac:

I seriously doubt that heroin is part of an opiate family which is not a stimulant its much more likely that they took Mdma (probably cut with speed) or cocaine.

#Smokey# · 10-09-2012 03:30PM

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Just in relation to the weed thing, I personally think a lot of that is due to the modern western stereotype that weed makes you relaxed and because of this its self fulfilling response.
I mean if cannabis really did physically turn you into a monged out passive person they wouldn;t have child soldiers smoking it to make them fearless.*
I've also heard similar things (not involving children) anecdotally about combatants using it in the Lebanon before trying to rush Israeli positions

* http://www.lubangatrial.org/2010/10/05/lubanga-trial-highlights-plight-of-child-soldiers/

Well all stoners i know are just relaxed,dont drink much and hate violence.
Also Placebo effect is very powerful especially with children as ive heard stories myself of child soldiers being told that bullets will not hurt them as they are blessed by god

Intensive Care Bear · 10-09-2012 03:30PM

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Just in relation to the weed thing, I personally think a lot of that is due to the modern western stereotype that weed makes you relaxed and because of this its self fulfilling response.
I mean if cannabis really did physically turn you into a monged out passive person they wouldn;t have child soldiers smoking it to make them fearless.*
I've also heard similar things (not involving children) anecdotally about combatants using it in the Lebanon before trying to rush Israeli positions

* http://www.lubangatrial.org/2010/10/05/lubanga-trial-highlights-plight-of-child-soldiers/

The people that though it would make them fearless also thought that having child solders was a good idea, do you agree with that too?

kingtiger · 10-09-2012 03:31PM

#Smokey# wrote: »

Well all stoners i know are just relaxed,dont drink much and hate violence.
Also Placebo effect is very powerful especially with children as ive heard stories myself of child soldiers being told that bullets will not hurt them as they are blessed by god

not placebo, as I have posted above the weed is normally laced with PCP

Intensive Care Bear · 10-09-2012 03:31PM

Honest opinion wrote: »

I seriously doubt that heroin is part of an opiate family which is not a stimulant its much more likely that they took Mdma (probably cut with speed) or cocaine.

I think he was been sarcastic:)

damagegt · 10-09-2012 03:34PM

1210m5g wrote: »

2c-b, its a fantastic drug if you know what your doing.

True but unleashing it on the population thinking they were taking something else wasn't the greatest idea.

Honest opinion · 10-09-2012 03:34PM

kingtiger wrote: »

not placebo, as I have posted above the weed is normally laced with PCP

Yeh definitly are you for real? :rolleyes: Sure mix a mellow high with
a dirty stimulant that everyone would cop onto straight away. Stop reading the tabloids and do some actualy research outside boards.ie

10-09-2012 03:35PM

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Just in relation to the weed thing, I personally think a lot of that is due to the modern western stereotype that weed makes you relaxed and because of this its self fulfilling response.
I mean if cannabis really did physically turn you into a monged out passive person they wouldn;t have child soldiers smoking it to make them fearless.*
I've also heard similar things (not involving children) anecdotally about combatants using it in the Lebanon before trying to rush Israeli positions

* http://www.lubangatrial.org/2010/10/05/lubanga-trial-highlights-plight-of-child-soldiers/

In much of Europe people drinking a lot stereotypically makes them lazy and sedate whereas here it makes them violent, funny huh?

#Smokey# · 10-09-2012 03:35PM

kingtiger wrote: »

not placebo, as I have posted above the weed is normally laced with PCP

Jesus you could lace anything with PCP and it be a totally different outcome.
If they gave them water laced with speed im sure the water would not be to blame.

Im talking about plain aul unsprayed untouched weed mate. In my experience of all stoners that i've met ive never seen once being violent or angry or on edge or in any sort of distress

damagegt · 10-09-2012 03:39PM

#Smokey# wrote: »

Jesus you could lace anything with PCP and it be a totally different outcome.
If they gave them water laced with speed im sure the water would not be to blame.

Im talking about plain aul unsprayed untouched weed mate. In my experience of all stoners that i've met ive never seen once being violent or angry or on edge or in any sort of distress

Apart from the horrible increase in paranoia and depression and even schizophrenia from long time use if the user is prone to these disorders.

Honest opinion · 10-09-2012 03:40PM

1210m5g wrote: »

2c-b, its a fantastic drug if you know what your doing.

suicide_circus wrote: »

Crazy stuff. Ridiculous duration.

damagegt wrote: »

True but unleashing it on the population thinking they were taking something else wasn't the greatest idea.

Agree 100% especially considering its low dosage range before effects start to become apparent and the long duration could cause someone unfamiliar with 2-cb to freak the f**k out.

#Smokey# · 10-09-2012 03:43PM

damagegt wrote: »

Apart from the horrible increase in paranoia and depression and even schizophrenia from long time use if the user is prone to these disorders.

Im just saying what ive seen so far mate nothing more. I never said it was safe. People are prone to many things and long time, very regular use of anything that effects the body and mind cant be good.

Use not abuse. Moderation is key to anything in life...except work and taxes haha

damagegt · 10-09-2012 03:44PM

Honest opinion wrote: »

Agree 100% especially considering its low dosage range before effects start to become apparent and the long duration could cause someone unfamiliar with 2-cb to freak the f**k out.

Thats exactly what happened and it took them weeks to get a warning out whiles dickheads were knowing going around flogging them cheaply to move them on.I watched a night club of people pour out on to the streets after been fed these.It was not a pretty sight.

smokedeels · 10-09-2012 04:01PM

kingtiger wrote: »

nope its

They are dangerous because they are illegal

If people want drugs legalised, if they want the state to stop dictating what they can do, then they should show more responsibility when taking the substance.

Drink is legal and it's still lethal.

The issue is that a lot of people are incapable of looking after themselves.

tdv123 · 10-09-2012 04:06PM

#Smokey# wrote: »

Jesus you could lace anything with PCP and it be a totally different outcome.
If they gave them water laced with speed im sure the water would not be to blame.

Im talking about plain aul unsprayed untouched weed mate. In my experience of all stoners that i've met ive never seen once being violent or angry or on edge or in any sort of distress

I've never meet any violent or angry ones alright, I have met edgy & paranoid ones however.

kingtiger · 10-09-2012 04:08PM

Honest opinion wrote: »

Yeh definitly are you for real? :rolleyes: Sure mix a mellow high with
a dirty stimulant that everyone would cop onto straight away. Stop reading the tabloids and do some actualy research outside boards.ie

so you would want your child soldiers on a mellow high

do some research yourself buddy cause you don't know what your babbling on about

*oh btw* I am talking about boy soldiers with PCP laced weed or tobacco, not your avarge smoker

darced · 10-09-2012 04:34PM

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Ash.J.Williams · 10-09-2012 04:50PM

darced wrote: »

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sounds f**in deadly.....although totally made up....coke is dirt

tdv123 · 10-09-2012 04:58PM

darced wrote: »

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I had something sort of similar happen to me. I smoked for years (maybe 2-3 times a week) fine & than out of nowhere anytime I smoked it I'd start freaking out & sh!t. I don't think I went crazy or anything over it, like hearing voices in my head or not knowing my family members or anything like that but it did leave me very paranoid & I know a lot of people who are the same way over it.

I taught E had a lot of negative side effects as well. Next day paranoia & midweek depression were awful.

Never did enough coke to form a proper opinion on it. The few times I did do it doh I taught it was okay. Have seen some generally calm people fly into fits of rage over it for no real reason at all.

darced · 10-09-2012 04:59PM

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