RIRA Man shot dead in broad daylight

Vicar in a tutu · 10-09-2012 01:38PM

Gee Bag wrote: »

What goes up must come down, falling bullets from shots fired in the air can kill.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebratory_gunfire

But nobody WAS killed..

humanji · 10-09-2012 01:39PM

Vicar in a tutu wrote: »

But nobody WAS killed..

Only scared by armed terrorist firing weapons.

Dave! · 10-09-2012 01:39PM

Vicar in a tutu wrote: »

As I said, it was into the air. not into someones window.

It's easy to say that in retrospect nobody was hurt, but when paramilitaries carry firearms into a residential estate there is always the potential for violence, and it's prudent for anyone to get themselves away from the area.

I've just read someone from the area say that when they were told to take off their masks, one of the leaders threatened to smash the place up if they're not allowed to continue.

AEDIC · 10-09-2012 01:40PM

Vicar in a tutu wrote: »

Obviously not on a person anyway:pac:

Hang on though I'll go have a little look.

Nontheless...you will agree that the risk was there.? So someone not wanting to expose themselves or their 4 year old child to that risk has the right to choose if the want to risk it or not.

Like I have said, someone getting hurt is not always the benchmark of legality.

MagicSean · 10-09-2012 01:40PM

Vicar in a tutu wrote: »

But nobody WAS killed..

Not because of any care or consideration by Mr Ryans criminal buddies though. Just by pure luck.

Gee Bag · 10-09-2012 01:41PM

Vicar in a tutu wrote: »

But nobody WAS killed..

Yes I am aware of that. Firing into the air is the same as firing at random, you are unlikely to hit anyone but the chance is always there.

Fenian Army · 10-09-2012 01:43PM

I see shatter was on the radio this morning desperately trying to deflect things away from the real issue here, that drugs gangs are ruling the roost and having people killed.

humanji · 10-09-2012 01:45PM

Fenian Army wrote: »

I see shatter was on the radio this morning desperately trying to deflect things away from the real issue here, that drugs gangs are ruling the roost and having people killed.

It would be better to say that terrorists and drug-dealing gangs are ruling the roost and having people killed. It's not a case of "My enemies enemy is my friend". They're both problems than need to be stamped out.

Vicar in a tutu · 10-09-2012 01:49PM

humanji wrote: »

It would be better to say that terrorists and drug-dealing gangs are ruling the roost and having people killed. It's not a case of "My enemies enemy is my friend". They're both problems than need to be stamped out.

Terrorists my arse.. I'd take these so called terrorists over drug dealing scum any day.

These ''terrorists'' were the ones to step in when the government / gardai turned the other cheek. Drug dealing seems to be more acceptable, but republicans are a thorn in the side of the government.

humanji · 10-09-2012 01:56PM

Vicar in a tutu wrote: »

Terrorists my arse.. I'd take these so called terrorists over drug dealing scum any day.

These ''terrorists'' were the ones to step in when the government / gardai turned the other cheek. Drug dealing seems to be more acceptable, but republicans are a thorn in the side of the government.

It's sad that only when a member of your family are accidentally murdered by these scum, that you'll realise how wrong you are to support them.

cloptrop · 10-09-2012 02:02PM

In all fairness I think its just a case of a protection racket and a drug gang having a fight .
There is no freedom fighting going on . The Gpo hasnt been taken over in nearly a century .
The policing costs to run northern Ireland is something the Irish Government could probably never afford .
If it was offered back tomorrow Enda wouldnt want it .
Alot of people are getting rich with this IRA thing and its about time it was stopped.
Young lads getting recruited into it is as bad as them going on the drugs.
We elected our government democratically. A gang of hooligans with little or no education wont do a better job . What are their policies ? Go to other countries demanding a tax to do business on their turf?

Dave! · 10-09-2012 02:07PM

Vicar in a tutu wrote: »

Terrorists my arse.. I'd take these so called terrorists over drug dealing scum any day.

These ''terrorists'' were the ones to step in when the government / gardai turned the other cheek. Drug dealing seems to be more acceptable, but republicans are a thorn in the side of the government.

Armed paramilitaries have been trying to overthrow the state and committing terrorist atrocities until relatively recently in this country, and over the weekend we witnessed them walking down the street of our nation's capital in full uniform, before firing shots into the air in a residential estate. Drug dealing is a law and order problem that exists in every country in the world, and can be dealt with in the ordinary criminal manner. The fact that the IRA were able to do what they did over the weekend and the Gardaí were powerless to stop them shows how sinister their continued presence really is.

And the fact that people like you fail to see that vigilantism is anathema to most right-thinking people in the country, and are apparently lamenting the demise of one of them, shows how clueless so-called Republicans really are these days. It also reenforces my resolve never to vote for Sinn Féin, and my likelihood to vote against any potential future referendum on unification with the north.

Vicar in a tutu · 10-09-2012 02:13PM

Dave! wrote: »

Armed paramilitaries have been trying to overthrow the state and committing terrorist atrocities until relatively recently in this country, and over the weekend we witnessed them walking down the street of our nation's capital in full uniform, before firing shots into the air in a residential estate. Drug dealing is a law and order problem that exists in every country in the world, and can be dealt with in the ordinary criminal manner. The fact that the IRA were able to do what they did over the weekend and the Gardaí were powerless to stop them shows how sinister their continued presence really is.

And the fact that people like you fail to see that vigilantism is anathema to most right-thinking people in the country, and are apparently lamenting the demise of one of them, shows how clueless so-called Republicans really are these days. It also reenforces my resolve never to vote for Sinn Féin, and my likelihood to vote against any potential future referendum on unification with the north.

I dont think anyone is gonna vote for Sinn Fein .. in fairness like. Vigilantism is hardly anathema to most right-thinking people, evil is when good men stand by and do nothing, how about if someone on your street was openly dealing drugs to young teenagers? would you close the blinds and call the gardai and wait for them to come and do nothing? ( they really do nothing) , or would you like someone to get off their arse and drive them out? ... I know which I'd prefer.

Dave! · 10-09-2012 02:16PM

Vicar in a tutu wrote: »

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I dont think anyone is gonna vote for Sinn Fein .. in fairness like. Vigilantism is hardly anathema to most right-thinking people, evil is when good men stand by and do nothing, how about if someone on your street was openly dealing drugs to young teenagers? would you close the blinds and call the gardai and wait for them to come and do nothing? ( they really do nothing) , or would you like someone to get off their arse and drive them out? ... I know which I'd prefer.

I'd call the police, like any civilised person would do.

What would you do if a known murderer was extorting local businesses for money in exchange for not assaulting them and/or wrecking their business?

That's a bit more disturbing to me, and harder to convict, than someone selling weed to teenagers.

Gee Bag · 10-09-2012 02:27PM

Vicar in a tutu wrote: »

Terrorists my arse.. I'd take these so called terrorists over drug dealing scum any day.

These ''terrorists'' were the ones to step in when the government / gardai turned the other cheek. Drug dealing seems to be more acceptable, but republicans are a thorn in the side of the government.

Your post in this thread are all over the place.

You have no problem with the RIRA taxing drug dealers even though this allows dealers to continue with their trade.

You have no problem with illegal firearms being discharged in a residential area.

You have no problem with supporting a tiny group of incompetent fanatics who were responsible for the murder of 29 civilians in Omagh in 1998. They have planted numerous bombs of similar size since then in both Northern Ireland and Britain which have an equivalent propoensity to kill civilians.

Maybe you can justify the Polish Pizza delivery man shot at Masserene Barracks when the RIRA were busy murdering unarmed squaddies?

You appear to be either too young to remember the troubles or very gullible. Hopefully it's the former, at least that way there's the hope that some day in the future you might develop a bit of common sense.

I dont think anyone is gonna vote for Sinn Fein

Eh, not exactly up with current affairs are we? Sinn Fein won 10% of first preference votes in the 2011 election and have 14 TDs

DublinC · 10-09-2012 02:27PM

Dave! wrote: »

I'd call the police, like any civilised person would do.

What would you do if a known murderer was extorting local businesses for money in exchange for not assaulting them and/or wrecking their business?

That's a bit more disturbing to me, and harder to convict, than someone selling weed to teenagers.

What if it were cocaine or heroin?

Another example: http://www.herald.ie/news/children-at-play-find-ecstasy-tablets-2638275.html

The owner of those tabs was terrified of the Ryan's.

The extortion is indeed a problem, but ridding areas of dealers I can't really complain about.

Vicar in a tutu · 10-09-2012 02:29PM

Dave! wrote: »

I'd call the police, like any civilised person would do.

What would you do if a known murderer was extorting local businesses for money in exchange for not assaulting them and/or wrecking their business?

That's a bit more disturbing to me, and harder to convict, than someone selling weed to teenagers.

We are not really discussing weed here it could be anything, how about if you got a phone call one day to say your son or daughter owes such and such an amount, or they'll be after your family.. You go to the police, they have nothing to say about it really, your terrified, These things wouldnt really happen as much if the likes of '' terrorist vigilantes'' were left to deal with them.

Also I dont really think I've heard much about local business being targeted, perhaps though as a previous poster mentioned.. If a pub opens, drug dealers may like to muscle in and sell there and make it their patch, so one of the alternatives is to let the other people in and keep it drug free.

cloptrop · 10-09-2012 02:31PM

Nobodies stopping dealing . They are licensing it .
Pay so much a month and you can have a licence to deal on their turf . Dont pay get your fingers cut off with a hacksaw .
Same as is being done with legal business in the turf.

Vicar in a tutu · 10-09-2012 02:37PM

Gee Bag wrote: »

Your post in this thread are all over the place.

You have no problem with the RIRA taxing drug dealers even though this allows dealers to continue with their trade.

You have no problem with illegal firearms being discharged in a residential area.

You have no problem with supporting a tiny group of incompetent fanatics who were responsible for the murder of 29 civilians in Omagh in 1998. They have planted numerous bombs of similar size since then in both Northern Ireland and Britain which have an equivalent propoensity to kill civilians.

Maybe you can justify the Polish Pizza delivery man shot at Masserene Barracks when the RIRA were busy murdering unarmed squaddies?

You appear to be either too young to remember the troubles or very gullible. Hopefully it's the former, at least that way there's the hope that some day in the future you might develop a bit of common sense.

Eh, not exactly up with current affairs are we? Sinn Fein won 10% of first preference votes in the 2011 election and have 14 TDs

Yeah im just feeling very gullible this afternoon, And I was being facetious with my Sinn Fein comment:pac:

Look we all have our views, I never once said i supported the Omagh bombing, your just being silly now. A death is a death, they are all equally sad. But I do agree with some of the values of these people.

Ash.J.Williams · 10-09-2012 02:38PM

Vicar in a tutu wrote: »

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I dont think anyone is gonna vote for Sinn Fein .. in fairness like. Vigilantism is hardly anathema to most right-thinking people, evil is when good men stand by and do nothing, how about if someone on your street was openly dealing drugs to young teenagers? would you close the blinds and call the gardai and wait for them to come and do nothing? ( they really do nothing) , or would you like someone to get off their arse and drive them out? ... I know which I'd prefer.

I doubt Alan Ryan ever called the guards. He would be a real hero if he liased with the gardai and local councilors to rid his estate of drugs. But he probably didn't.

SaoriseBiker · 10-09-2012 02:39PM

Dave! wrote: »

Armed paramilitaries have been trying to overthrow the state and committing terrorist atrocities until relatively recently in this country, and over the weekend we witnessed them walking down the street of our nation's capital in full uniform, before firing shots into the air in a residential estate. Drug dealing is a law and order problem that exists in every country in the world, and can be dealt with in the ordinary criminal manner. The fact that the IRA were able to do what they did over the weekend and the Gardaí were powerless to stop them shows how sinister their continued presence really is.

And the fact that people like you fail to see that vigilantism is anathema to most right-thinking people in the country, and are apparently lamenting the demise of one of them, shows how clueless so-called Republicans really are these days. It also reenforces my resolve never to vote for Sinn Féin, and my likelihood to vote against any potential future referendum on unification with the north.

The irony of someone getting up on their little soapbox to condemn violence and then state they support the violent partition of this country. Don't worry, we'll get on fine without a few cranks like ya

Goro · 10-09-2012 02:42PM

Vicar in a tutu wrote: »

Well was there anyone hurt? Did a bullet fly through a window and kill anyone?

Sure we will all go out and buy guns then, and fire them off whenever we like, as long as we are pointing them up it's ok.

Attitudes like yours make me sick.

Lelantos · 10-09-2012 02:45PM

SaoriseBiker wrote: »

Dave! wrote: »

Armed paramilitaries have been trying to overthrow the state and committing terrorist atrocities until relatively recently in this country, and over the weekend we witnessed them walking down the street of our nation's capital in full uniform, before firing shots into the air in a residential estate. Drug dealing is a law and order problem that exists in every country in the world, and can be dealt with in the ordinary criminal manner. The fact that the IRA were able to do what they did over the weekend and the Gardaí were powerless to stop them shows how sinister their continued presence really is.

And the fact that people like you fail to see that vigilantism is anathema to most right-thinking people in the country, and are apparently lamenting the demise of one of them, shows how clueless so-called Republicans really are these days. It also reenforces my resolve never to vote for Sinn Féin, and my likelihood to vote against any potential future referendum on unification with the north.

The irony of someone getting up on their little soapbox to condemn violence and then state they support the violent partition of this country. Don't worry, we'll get on fine without a few cranks like ya

More than a few cranks. Firstly, 99% of the protestant population wish to remain as part of the uk. I am sure a large percentage of catholics feel the same way as they would be lumped with our financial mess if we had a unified Ireland. Btw, when was the last time this island was unified?

Ash.J.Williams · 10-09-2012 02:47PM

SaoriseBiker wrote: »

The irony of someone getting up on their little soapbox to condemn violence and then state they support the violent partition of this country. Don't worry, we'll get on fine without a few cranks like ya

you want us to suppport those goons with the guns from the funeral? Do you not think they were lacking something in the brains dept? Or maybe they should simply grow up a little?

Goro · 10-09-2012 02:53PM

Lelantos wrote: »

More than a few cranks. Firstly, 99% of the protestant population wish to remain as part of the uk. I am sure a large percentage of catholics feel the same way as they would be lumped with our financial mess if we had a unified Ireland. Btw, when was the last time this island was unified?

Never was ( Except under UK) but try telling that to a skanger who thinks that writing Brits out on a wall in a Dublin housing estate is something to be proud of.

Gee Bag · 10-09-2012 02:56PM

Vicar in a tutu wrote: »

Yeah im just feeling very gullible this afternoon, And I was being facetious with my Sinn Fein comment

I wasn't simply referring to today, your posts in this thread have been consistently idiotic.

Look we all have our views, I never once said i supported the Omagh bombing, your just being silly now. A death is a death, they are all equally sad. But I do agree with some of the values of these people.

You have been on here defending the RIRA because they do ahem, 'community work'. Thought it might be worth pointing out to you that there main achievement to date has been the mass murder of civilians.

A death is a death, they are all equally sad

I don't agree, some people we can do without.

Fratton Fred · 10-09-2012 03:02PM

Vicar in a tutu wrote: »

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I dont think anyone is gonna vote for Sinn Fein .. in fairness like. Vigilantism is hardly anathema to most right-thinking people, evil is when good men stand by and do nothing, how about if someone on your street was openly dealing drugs to young teenagers? would you close the blinds and call the gardai and wait for them to come and do nothing? ( they really do nothing) , or would you like someone to get off their arse and drive them out? ... I know which I'd prefer.

Either really. What I wouldn't want is someone to come along, charge the dealer €50 to sell drugs outside my house for a week and turn a blind eye.

super_furry · 10-09-2012 03:03PM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

I meant the british establishment not the RUC.

Again, any evidence?

Dave! · 10-09-2012 03:11PM

DublinC wrote: »

What if it were cocaine or heroin?

Another example: http://www.herald.ie/news/children-at-play-find-ecstasy-tablets-2638275.html

The owner of those tabs was terrified of the Ryan's.

The extortion is indeed a problem, but ridding areas of dealers I can't really complain about.

Yes, including cocaine or heroin. Drug dealing is a problem in all countries in the world, Ireland is nothing special here. If you actually gave a sh*t about it, you would be lobbying the Minister for Justice to crack down on dealing and making actual useful suggestions such as medicalising addiction, etc. Instead you're being disingenuous by using this "community work" as a trojan horse to try and legitimise subversive paramilitary scumbags.

And you're a bit naive if you believe that the IRA are "ridding areas of dealers". As has been pointed out, while they may get rid of some dealers, the rest they simply tax, the IRA are no strangers to drug dealing. Apparently their PR machine is decent though, because yourself and Victar in a tutu seemingly believe them to be men of principle instead of common or garden organised crime figures. If you want the sale of drugs to be regulated, then do it using the framework and laws of the state, not using armed vigilantes.

Vicar in a tutu wrote: »

We are not really discussing weed here it could be anything, how about if you got a phone call one day to say your son or daughter owes such and such an amount, or they'll be after your family.. You go to the police, they have nothing to say about it really, your terrified, These things wouldnt really happen as much if the likes of '' terrorist vigilantes'' were left to deal with them.

Also I dont really think I've heard much about local business being targeted, perhaps though as a previous poster mentioned.. If a pub opens, drug dealers may like to muscle in and sell there and make it their patch, so one of the alternatives is to let the other people in and keep it drug free.

What if you got a phonecall from your dad, who owns a struggling pub in North Dublin, saying that the IRA were in the other day telling him that he has to pay X amount or he'll be shot? At least the drug users have willingly taken a loan off drug dealers, so they got themselves in the mess. Local business owners are innocent, and they're in the situation through no fault of their own.

As has been pointed out, your posts are incredibly naive.

SaoriseBiker wrote: »

The irony of someone getting up on their little soapbox to condemn violence and then state they support the violent partition of this country. Don't worry, we'll get on fine without a few cranks like ya

It's a long time since there's been any violence involved in the partition of the country; any violence has been in the course of battling with subversive paramilitary groups. I'm quite willing to accept the political reality of the country if it means we don't have to start dealing with the savages in the North* who support this thuggery. Thankfully opinion polls show that support for a united Ireland is quite low on both sides of the border, and any unification would require the consent of both, so good luck to ya.

* by which I mean the paramilitary groups, not the innocent civilians who tend to get caught up the crossfire

Monty Burnz · 10-09-2012 03:17PM

DublinC wrote: »

The extortion is indeed a problem, but ridding areas of dealers I can't really complain about.

He wasn't ridding the place of dealers, he was just ridding the place of ones who didn't pay him a cut.

What did he do with his cut?

1. Make a nice living out of it.
2. Divert some of it to murdering people.

So in what sense was he ridding Dublin of dealers?

RIRA Man shot dead in broad daylight

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