RIRA Man shot dead in broad daylight

SEPT 23 1989 · 10-09-2012 09:58AM

If a few guards had been "massacred" because of intervening in the circus it would have been the end of these organisations once and for all in this state

flanzer · 10-09-2012 09:58AM

Could they not have drafted in the army and the rangers also?

gosuckonalemon · 10-09-2012 10:04AM

Crooked Jack wrote: »

Congratulations. I dont think I've ever seen anyone squeeze so much ignorance into one sentence.

Eh...

Lelantos · 10-09-2012 10:07AM

Andy!! wrote: »

Humanji you are completely wrong on this I'm afraid, no point fighting it. The job of the Garda is to stop scum like this; with proper training and equipment like vests and firearms there should be minimal loss of life.

There were women & children at the funeral, the guards sat back & observed, they did the right thing imo. Any gunplay that resulted in deaths of minors & the finger of blame would be pointed at the guards.

AEDIC · 10-09-2012 10:08AM

flanzer wrote: »

Could they not have drafted in the army and the rangers also?

And if it had 'kicked off' how many real innocent victims do you think would have been killed or injured in any disturbance or crossfire?

IMHO the Gardai did the right thing.... let them come in and play dress up and then go away again without any further bloodshed.

The rhetoric and frankly laughable bullsh*t that followed and has been spouted in various posts here, about the show of strength, martyrs blah blah blah......is just that...laughable.

MagicSean · 10-09-2012 10:20AM

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

no they would not...

Not like it's happened before

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporals_killings

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Im not saying they should have done it on day of Funeral, law is not on Gardai side im afraid.

Im saying it's sad that it has come to stage where Scum are allowed basically do what they like.

Do you think that is acceptable that this kind of carry on is tolerated? Its a disgrace that they cant be arrested.

They sealed off the house for examination, likely against the will of the owners, and have started an investigation.

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

If a few guards had been "massacred" because of intervening in the circus it would have been the end of these organisations once and for all in this state

**** that. Go get yourself massacared and martyr yourself instead of looking for others to do it.

flanzer · 10-09-2012 10:22AM

AEDIC wrote: »

And if it had 'kicked off' how many real innocent victims do you think would have been killed or injured in any disturbance or crossfire?

IMHO the Gardai did the right thing.... let them come in and play dress up and then go away again without any further bloodshed.

In hindsight, you're probably right. I could have been that innocent victim, as I had my 4 year old in doing swimming lessons in Trinity sports.

I suppose my feelings are still raw, considering my thoughts as I left the swimming pool just past 11 o'clock on Saturday morning. I couldn't believe the amount of muppets that gathered for this muppets funeral. Also having to do a big detour to get my starving 4 year back home for breakfast post swimming lessons.

I hope this whole event highlights the fact to people that the Real IRA are no more republican than the cast of Sesame Street.

Ash.J.Williams · 10-09-2012 10:31AM

From the "corperals killings" wiki from an above post...Conservative MP Michael Mates nonetheless defended the "hands off" policy, saying "A return to heavy-handed policing could provoke riots, which is what the IRA want so they can say to the world 'They won't even let us bury our dead in peace.

humanji · 10-09-2012 10:38AM

Andy!! wrote: »

Humanji you are completely wrong on this I'm afraid, no point fighting it. The job of the Garda is to stop scum like this; with proper training and equipment like vests and firearms there should be minimal loss of life.

And in super happy fun land, the gardai would have all that. Unfortunately in the banana republic we live in, they're understaffed and under-equipped for this sort of thing. They were completely outnumbered and could not act on the day of the funeral.

In relation to them acting in general, as pointed out above, the law is against the gardai. They need a fairly airtight case, and that's something which is incredibly difficult to come up with.

fasttalkerchat · 10-09-2012 10:52AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Now I aint the biggest fan of Garda in this country, but I have to say that its a sad day when they had to sit back and watch as IRA men dressed up in balaclavas were able to fire shots.

The law in this country is a mockery to the ordinary person. Worked in lot war torn countries in A job years ago and it would not happen in 90% of those places. Just no. But in Ireland...........

Im sick of listening to this British hatred crap from these organisations. The British have moved on and so should we. We cant manage 26 counties without another 6 on top of that. If we put as much outrage into our Politicians as we do British we not be in the mess we are in now.

The RUC attacked Joe McDonnell's funeral and look how that went. They sent Stone into Miltown Cemetary too. Neither were well received either side of the border!

super_furry · 10-09-2012 10:59AM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

The RUC attacked Joe McDonnell's funeral and look how that went. They sent Stone into Miltown Cemetary too. Neither were well received either side of the border!

First time I'd heard this claim. Any evidence?

Conall Cernach · 10-09-2012 11:07AM

super_furry wrote: »

First time I'd heard this claim. Any evidence?

They had a car waiting to collect him.

Sleepy · 10-09-2012 11:37AM

A friend had to leave her home for the weekend for fear of the scum that would be attracted to the funeral.

What a "victory" for the republican cause: scaring a mother and child out of their own apartment.

The Armed Response Unit should have been given shoot-on-sight permission and locals warned to stay away. Scumbags like Ryan don't deserve peaceful burials.

Dyr · 10-09-2012 12:21PM

Sleepy wrote: »

A friend had to leave her home for the weekend for fear of the scum that would be attracted to the funeral.

Did you ever see dara o'brian lampoon people who equate crime with the "fear of crime"?

Ash.J.Williams · 10-09-2012 12:34PM

Sleepy wrote: »

A friend had to leave her home for the weekend for fear of the scum that would be attracted to the funeral.

What a "victory" for the republican cause: scaring a mother and child out of their own apartment.

The Armed Response Unit should have been given shoot-on-sight permission and locals warned to stay away. Scumbags like Ryan don't deserve peaceful burials.

in fairness....she didn't have to leave

Vicar in a tutu · 10-09-2012 01:22PM

Sleepy wrote: »

A friend had to leave her home for the weekend for fear of the scum that would be attracted to the funeral.

What a "victory" for the republican cause: scaring a mother and child out of their own apartment.

The Armed Response Unit should have been given shoot-on-sight permission and locals warned to stay away. Scumbags like Ryan don't deserve peaceful burials.

A bit dramatic IMHO, also when you say '' what a victory for the republican cause'' That's actually the most idiotic thing I've ever read, hundreds turned out to pay respect to him,not to start riots and kill women and children

I'm sure your friend wasnt even on their radar.. too much tv me thinks. Does she feel a bit silly now considering there wasnt any trouble reported?

AEDIC · 10-09-2012 01:26PM

Vicar in a tutu wrote: »

A bit dramatic IMHO, also when you say '' what a victory for the republican cause'' That's actually the most idiotic thing I've ever read, hundreds turned out to pay respect to him,not to start riots and kill women and children I'm sure your friend wasnt even on their radar.. too much tv me thinks. Does she feel a bit silly now considering there wasnt any trouble reported?

Apart from the illegal discharging of firearms of course. Allegedly...

Vicar in a tutu · 10-09-2012 01:27PM

AEDIC wrote: »

Apart from the illegal discharging of firearms of course. Allegedly...

That was as a mark of respect... they hardly stormed up the road waving guns. People are being hysterical now, Nobody was hurt and nobody was going to be hurt. It was a funeral.

Dave! · 10-09-2012 01:28PM

Vicar in a tutu wrote: »

A bit dramatic IMHO, also when you say '' what a victory for the republican cause'' That's actually the most idiotic thing I've ever read, hundreds turned out to pay respect to him,not to start riots and kill women and children I'm sure your friend wasnt even on their radar.. too much tv me thinks. Does she feel a bit silly now considering there wasnt any trouble reported?

There was trouble. Armed paramilitaries fired shots into the air in a residential area. Reason enough to vindicate anyone's decision to leave the area rather than hang around with their young child and hope that the murderers and gangsters keep their guns holstered.

Vicar in a tutu · 10-09-2012 01:30PM

Dave! wrote: »

There was trouble. Armed paramilitaries fired shots into the air in a residential area. Reason enough to vindicate anyone's decision to leave the area rather than hang around with their young child and hope that the murderers and gangsters keep their guns holstered.

As I said, it was into the air. not into someones window.

AEDIC · 10-09-2012 01:30PM

Vicar in a tutu wrote: »

That was as a mark of respect... they hardly stormed up the road waving guns. People are being hysterical now, Nobody was hurt and nobody was going to be hurt. It was a funeral.

Doesn't matter what you purport it to be tbh.

SocSocPol · 10-09-2012 01:30PM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

The RUC attacked Joe McDonnell's funeral and look how that went. They sent Stone into Miltown Cemetary too. Neither were well received either side of the border!

Link to evidence that Stone was acting on behalf of the RUC?

humanji · 10-09-2012 01:33PM

Vicar in a tutu wrote: »

As I said, it was into the air. not into someones window.

Where did the bullets land?

gosuckonalemon · 10-09-2012 01:34PM

Vicar in a tutu wrote: »

That was as a mark of respect... they hardly stormed up the road waving guns. People are being hysterical now, Nobody was hurt and nobody was going to be hurt. It was a funeral.

There is always potential for trouble at a scumbag's funeral. Hence the Garda presence.

Vicar in a tutu · 10-09-2012 01:34PM

AEDIC wrote: »

Doesn't matter what you purport it to be tbh.

Well was there anyone hurt? Did a bullet fly through a window and kill anyone?

fasttalkerchat · 10-09-2012 01:34PM

SocSocPol wrote: »

Link to evidence that Stone was acting on behalf of the RUC?

I meant the british establishment not the RUC.

MagicSean · 10-09-2012 01:35PM

Vicar in a tutu wrote: »

As I said, it was into the air. not into someones window.

What goes up must come down.

AEDIC · 10-09-2012 01:36PM

Vicar in a tutu wrote: »

Well was there anyone hurt? Did a bullet fly through a window and kill anyone?

Someone being hurt or not is not always a measure of an action being legal or not.

Where did those bullets land btw?

Gee Bag · 10-09-2012 01:37PM

Vicar in a tutu wrote: »

As I said, it was into the air. not into someones window.

What goes up must come down, falling bullets from shots fired in the air can kill.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebratory_gunfire

Vicar in a tutu · 10-09-2012 01:37PM

AEDIC wrote: »

Someone being hurt or not is not always a measure of an action being legal or not.

Where did those bullets land btw?

Obviously not on a person anyway:pac:

Hang on though I'll go have a little look.

RIRA Man shot dead in broad daylight

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