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Rory McIlroy is declaring for Ireland

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  • #122
    summerskin
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    irish-stew wrote: »
    He's well intitled to play for Team GB or Team Ireland, in the same way as i'm entitled apply for a GB and NI Passport, or an Irish Passport. The only difference is though because he's in the limelight as a Sportstar.

    The only other two comments I have to make are, 1. If he loses the BBC will still call him Irish/NI and British if he wins, and 2. By the time Rio comes around there will probably be some rule which makes him ineligible to play either due to age, similar to the football competition, or due to ranking.


    never ever happens. find me an example. This is cited only by irish people who have a chip on their shoulder, as stated and dis-proven earlier in this thread.


  • #123
    Pegasus Galactica
    Site Banned Posts: 44 ✭Pegasus Galactica


    Felexicon wrote: »
    I'd still support him and hope he did well if he was representing Britain at the Olympics.
    Do you mean lose fans in general or specifically for the Olympics?

    The moment he finally declares which country he is going to represent he will lose fans in general. In today's world, that is simply the reality.


  • #124
    ArmaniJeanss
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    irish-stew wrote: »
    2. By the time Rio comes around there will probably be some rule which makes him ineligible to play either due to age, similar to the football competition, or due to ranking.

    The whole idea of having golf is to have the marketable superstars, why would they exclude them? The IOC are creaming themselves at how much the likes of Tiger is worth to them.


  • #125
    fionnsda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 189 ✭✭fionnsda


    TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »
    Golf in Ireland is organised on an "all Ireland" basis, so just like the rugby, if you play, you play for Ireland. Under that understanding he really should be declaring for Ireland, but the Olympics is a different kettle of fish entirely. Loads of NI athletes represented GB in the Olympics this year, and loads represented Ireland. If he feels more comfortable going under the GB flag, he should be left to it.

    I am confused though as to how they actually get to fly under the NI flag at tournaments. If it is on an all Ireland basis, shouldn't they be under the Irish flag?

    i'll confuse you more by stating NI doen't even have an official flag!


  • #126
    Felexicon
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    Pegasus Galactica wrote: »
    The moment he finally declares which country he is going to represent he will lose fans in general. In today's world, that is simply the reality.
    I don't think it is to be fair.
    I support a number of British and American golfers as well as the Irish lads.
    He may lose support from one side in Northern Ireland but I can't see many turning thier back on him.


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  • #127
    Pal
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    summerskin wrote: »
    Less of the ridiculous statements then, pal.

    You talking to me ?


  • #128
    qwert2
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    Hopefully this will put an end to the relentless coverage on McIlroy by the irish Times and other Irish media


  • #129
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
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    Felexicon wrote: »
    He may lose support from one side in Northern Ireland but I can't see many turning thier back on him.

    There will always be an element of scum that will give him a hard time whichever way he decides to go. But, if you watched any of the NI news during this years Olympics, they were claiming our successes and GB's successes as theirs if the athlete was from NI. So whether he goes Irish, or British, they'll still claim him as their success, and rightly so.


  • #130
    FionnK86
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    Aww sure, we could always get Tiger Woods, sure isnt he my second cousin- once-removed, twice departed sure isnt he sure?:rolleyes:


  • #131
    Judgement Day
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    qwert2 wrote: »
    Hopefully this will put an end to the relentless coverage on McIlroy by the irish Times and other Irish media

    Even better if it put an end to the relentless coverage of all golf - a good walk ruined by a game.


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  • #132
    TICKLE_ME_ELMO
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    irish-stew wrote: »
    2. By the time Rio comes around there will probably be some rule which makes him ineligible to play either due to age, similar to the football competition, or due to ranking.

    At the moment the selection rules they're going with are top 60 in the rankings. Then only two from each country, unless you have multiple golfers in the top 15, then you can have 4. So, chances are they'll be well into the 100's in the rankings to fill the field.

    As for an age rule, that's unlikely, Rory is one of the youngest golfers anyway, so if they were cutting him out by age they'd be cutting out pretty much every other successful golfer you've ever heard of.

    So, barring retirement between now and 2016, Rory will be selected for someone.


  • #133
    WumBuster
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    This would be surprising, I always thought he identified himself more Irish than british


  • #134
    Seaneh
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    summerskin wrote: »
    Yes because it'd be far easier to catch the GB cycling team, which won more golds than any other nation in the velodrome, and for which Chris Hoy could not get a place for the men's sprint(Jason Kenny got the only place), than it would be to catch the Irish team that won zero cycling medals.

    Does your love of Ireland blind you to the facts?

    No, the the fact that it's true blinds me from your ignorance.

    http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-news/ciara-horne-declares-for-great-britain-blames-lack-of-money-in-cycling-ireland/


    That's the female cyclist I forget the name of.


    There are other athletes from other sports I can't remember right now either.


    The fact that there is infinitely more funding available to the GB olympic council which is turns means more training grants available to athletes.


    Does your ignorance blind you to the facts?


    Your little aside about the males team has no baring on the reality that Ciara Horne, and others, are leaving the umblrella of the Irish olympic council because they will more easily qualify for the Rio olympics if they are wearing blu white and red.


  • #135
    super_furry
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    irish-stew wrote: »
    1. If he loses the BBC will still call him Irish/NI and British if he wins,

    No they won't.
    irish-stew wrote: »
    By the time Rio comes around there will probably be some rule which makes him ineligible to play either due to age, similar to the football competition, or due to ranking.

    No there won't. The top 15 ranked players in the world automatically qualify, followed by the next 45 who represent countries that don't already have two players competing.


  • #136
    Beefy78
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    fionnsda wrote: »
    i'll confuse you more by stating NI doen't even have an official flag!

    This is blowing my mind right now.


  • #137
    maximoose
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    WumBuster wrote: »
    This would be surprising, I always thought he identified himself more Irish than british

    Genuinely interested, what made you think that?

    I dont think he has ever been ambiguous about his nationality. This is from 2009
    Q. Having experienced Carnoustie a couple of years ago, did it prepare you a little bit for the hype that's really been generated since you've started making a splash at the end of last year?

    RORY McILROY: I think so. Obviously being British and playing well at the British Open, you know, there was a lot of media attention. I've sort of got used to it over the past couple of years.

    And this from 2010
    Q. Just a completely unrelated question, but I've always wanted to ask you this, do you consider yourself more Irish or British?

    RORY McILROY:
    I'm Northern Irish, I hold a British passport, so there you go


  • #138
    summerskin
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    Seaneh wrote: »
    No, the the fact that it's true blinds me from your ignorance.

    http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-news/ciara-horne-declares-for-great-britain-blames-lack-of-money-in-cycling-ireland/


    That's the female cyclist I forget the name of.


    There are other athletes from other sports I can't remember right now either.


    The fact that there is infinitely more funding available to the GB olympic council which is turns means more training grants available to athletes.


    Does your ignorance blind you to the facts?


    Your little aside about the males team has no baring on the reality that Ciara Horne, and others, are leaving the umblrella of the Irish olympic council because they will more easily qualify for the Rio olympics if they are wearing blu white and red.

    She is British born and lives in Britain. She hasn't made any Olympic team so far. She was part of the irish women's pursuit team that failed to qualify, in a year where the British team broke the world record 6 times in 6 races and won Olympic gold. hardly going to find it easier, is she? She's no Laura Trott.

    Your point is invalid.


  • #139
    goodie2shoes
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    Good luck to the lad whoever he declares for!:D


  • #140
    davet82
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    so the traitor wont play football for Ireland :mad:





























































    :P


  • #141
    Seaneh
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    The British male team broke records and won golds, not the female team.

    She failed to qualify because the Irish female team didn't qualify.

    She would, and will, walk into the british female team.


    Your little asides about the britist male team do nothing but show up your complete lack of understanding of the situation.
    “The truth is that it costs an awful lot to fund an elite athlete and Cycling Ireland has a very limited, and now reduced, budget. I would like to thank Cycling Ireland for the opportunities they have given me and in particular Geoff Liffey for his integrity and honesty about my future prospects in Cycling Ireland as a result of the reduced budget assigned to them.”

    “I came to Cycling Ireland with the dream of becoming the first Irish cyclist to win an Olympic medal but the scale of the challenge and the level of dedication and support to compete at this level should not be underestimated.”

    Yours faithfully

    Ciara Horne


    She only declared for Britian so she could get more funding and have a better chance of qualifying for Rio.

    She says so her self.


    Now, pipe down there.


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  • #142
    karma_
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    MakeEmLaugh wrote: »
    Anyone find it slightly bemusing that McIlroy - a Catholic from Northern Ireland - should identify himself as "more British than Irish", whereas Eddie Irvine - a Protestant from Northern Ireland - says, "at the end of the day, I'm Irish... if you're from Ireland, north or south, you're Irish. And 'British' is... such a nondescript thing"?

    To be honest it's likely an awful lot more common that people in Ireland realise. Up here in Nordy land I know a few Catholics that would identify as British, and likewise I know some Protestant nationalists, including one who is openly Republican in his views.

    It was alluded to in another thread recently, where Sinn Fein votes went into the ballot box in areas like the Shankill, and I have no doubt the opposite is true.


  • #143
    summerskin
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    Seaneh wrote: »
    The British male team broke records and won golds, not the female team.

    She failed to qualify because the Irish female team didn't qualify.

    She would, and will, walk into the british female team.


    Your little asides about the britist male team do nothing but show up your complete lack of understanding of the situation.




    She only declared for Britian so she could get more funding and have a better chance of qualifying for Rio.

    She says so her self.


    Now, pipe down there.

    tut tut.
    "At the 2012 Summer Olympics, Trott won a gold medal for the team pursuit alongside Dani King and Joanna Rowsell.[11] The team also set a new world record time of 3:14.051 in this event.[12] Including pre-Olympic races and the Olympic final itself, in the six times they had ridden together they had broken the world record in every race."

    better chance of qualifying for Rio? yes, better than if she stayed on an irish team that has no chance of qualifying.m Will she make the team, probably not.

    Think you need to read up on cycling if you think she has any chance of catching the greatest women's pursuit team that has ever lived.

    Your post is wrong in just about every way.


  • #144
    Yamanoto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,489 ✭✭✭Yamanoto


    ynotonavillus wrote: »
    With the passing of the amendment to the constitution renouncing our claim on the north, it is time that We/they got our own Golfing union and Rugby union etc..

    That's a bit silly tbh.

    The GAA is also an all-Ireland body - Should Northern Counties detach from the organisation to form a NI counterpart?

    Rugby has been organised on an all-Ireland basis long before the foundation of NI or the ROI. It has never been an issue of contention - on the contrary, it's been a force for good in building and maintaining good relations, even during the darkest periods of our recent history.

    Rugby's all-Ireland basis was also central to the GAA throwing open Croke Park, during the redevelopment of Lansdowne Road.


  • #145
    holystungun9
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    super_furry wrote: »
    It's his business and people should respect his decision.

    This x 10. This answer is suitable for so many nonsense 'issues' that come up here in AH. We really need a little button beside the 'quote' and 'thank' buttons that just slams this on top of posts.


  • #146
    Seaneh
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    summerskin wrote: »
    tut tut.
    "At the 2012 Summer Olympics, Trott won a gold medal for the team pursuit alongside Dani King and Joanna Rowsell.[11] The team also set a new world record time of 3:14.051 in this event.[12] Including pre-Olympic races and the Olympic final itself, in the six times they had ridden together they had broken the world record in every race."

    better chance of qualifying for Rio? yes, better than if she stayed on an irish team that has no chance of qualifying.m Will she make the tea, probably not.



    They broke one record, you said 6.

    The male team broke 6 records.


    The female team broke one.


    Ciara Horne has beaten more of the female team in individual track and time trial and road races over the last 4 years.

    She would make the British female cycling team, and she would be one of the bets riders.


  • #147
    Leslie91
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    I know Rio is miles away but can't help to be a bit disappointed by what Rory had to say ie. that he identifies more with Britain than Ireland.

    Some people have rightly mentioned that golf in Ireland is seen as all Ireland, the GUI runs the game North and South. Rory would have played all the GUI run top Amateur events, played for Ireland in the home internationals etc

    Like golf rugby is all Ireland. Imagine if rugby became an Olympic Sport... Could you see Stephen Ferris and Rory Best declaring for a 'Great Britain' team instead of Ireland. I don't think I can. And Rory is an Ulster and Ireland fan too....

    I would have thought that whatever he considers himself ie. Irish (as in Northern Irish) or British he'd at least look at it like that and declare for Ireland.

    If true.. that he will play for Britain count me among those who are disappointed.


  • #148
    summerskin
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    Seaneh wrote: »
    They broke one record, you said 6.

    The male team broke 6 records.


    The female team broke one.


    Ciara Horne has beaten more of the female team in individual track and time trial and road races over the last 4 years.

    She would make the British female cycling team, and she would be one of the bets riders.

    Read it again, I said the women's pursuit team broke the world record 6 times in 6 races. She would never catch the team. Who's place would she take, laura trott???


  • #149
    freddiek
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    last time i cheer for this little rodent. Spat in the face of the irish people


  • #150
    Seaneh
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    summerskin wrote: »
    Read it again, I said the women's pursuit team broke the world record 6 times in 6 races. She would never catch the team. Who's place would she take, laura trott???

    The female cycling team is far bigger than the 3 member team persuit team.

    Are you wilfully misrepresenting the facts or are you actually that obsessed with the british flag that you can't see around it?


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  • #151
    holystungun9
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    Leslie91 wrote: »
    I know Rio is miles away but can't help to be a bit disappointed by what Rory had to say ie. that he identifies more with Britain than Ireland.

    Some people have rightly mentioned that golf in Ireland is seen as all Ireland, the GUI runs the game North and South. Rory would have played all the GUI run top Amateur events, played for Ireland in the home internationals etc

    Like golf rugby is all Ireland. Imagine if rugby became an Olympic Sport... Could you see Stephen Ferris and Rory Best declaring for a 'Great Britain' team instead of Ireland. I don't think I can. And Rory is an Ulster and Ireland fan too....

    I would have thought that whatever he considers himself ie. Irish (as in Northern Irish) or British he'd at least look at it like that and declare for Ireland.

    If true.. that he will play for Britain count me among those who are disappointed.

    Go to the cinema, TED is pretty good. The laugh plus the distraction should remove the burden you have and you can focus on yourself more. Seriously.


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